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So with the economic turmoil going on;
If you had just found a crisp £1,000.00 note down the back of the sofa that you don't need, what would you do?
Invest in the FTSE100 because 'even dead cats bounce'?
Buy foreign currency for stability?
Invest in Gold?
Buy South African Rand, because you would get a Gazillion of them 😉
Lottery tickets? 😉
PS - C&H is not a valid answer on this one ;-), thats what you can get with your 'profit'
UK banks of we were looking at medium term.
Reckon they'll double in value in 5 years.
I put £1k sofa money into BARC @ 126p on Monday with a 365 day limit sell at 190p. Bit of a punt.
Depends on your need to access it and your accepted level of risk.
Funding circle and Fundsmith would both be things I'd consider.
More likely though, I'd just blow it on ..... you get the idea!
What are these pounds? I'd have bought usd on Thursday with it
premium bonds.
Read some interesting stuff on the risks of peer to peer funding. Some saying it's building up to be the next misselling scandal.
Will have to dig it out.
In a nutshell it's completely unregulated so pretty high risk.
Wouldn't get much return on £1k either.
Reckon they'll double in value in 5 years.
I tried this trade with mixed results. Continual changes in regulation and ultra-low interest rates mean today's prices have become "the norm". Banks still in the midst of restructurings and substantial layoffs and all this before the Brexit vote introduces uncertainty. Just one opinion.
@danny you are quite right on peer to peer. Its a business model I have looked at a lot, its verging on a Ponzi scheme in some cases. Withoit over egging it an investor is making the bet 2 men and a dog are better at making loans than a bank of 100,000 staff add onto that that internet basd lending has been ridden with borrower fraud. Note I have 30 years experience in credit portfolio management inc loan markets)
OP I would try and find some solid UK focused companies who have seen their shares beaten up over Brexit. Plus some global tech if you want a punt - eg one/some of Apple, Google, Facebook etc - however the £/$ couod work against you if the £ bounces back, still worth looking at imo
Invest in the FTSE100 because 'even dead cats bounce'?
I think that boat has sailed - FTSE up yesterday and today. Even DAX and Euronext are up.
Fundsmith
Up 6% on Friday, that boat has probably also sailed short term.
I've read that riskier currencies may be a good play for the brave - South Korean Won or Malaysian Ringgit anyone?
UK banks would be my bet if you are after capital gain. Failing that oil and gas companies would be a "safe" bet as they trade in USD and the super majors pay pretty good dividends.
It started as casual daydreaming, but I am starting to think I may do this out of interest.
[b]Stoner[/b]
I put £1k sofa money into BARC @ 126p on Monday with a 365 day limit sell at 190p. Bit of a punt
It's ages since I bought and sold any shares (I only started as I got some when some of my Banks/building societies floated/converted and I only have a pittance of them left). How would a simpleton like me set something like this up? I see Barclays has a share service, but would they allow me to set limits in this way?
I use share.com
Easy to set up. Trading is pretty basic.
They have a practice account for you to make a horlicks of yourself in.
If you are an occasional trader then the deal fees are OK on a trade by trade basis.
I have a set price "trading" account that costs me dealing commission of £7.50 per trade and £80 pa fee. That seems a lot, but it's better than the 1% commission rate. I dont trade frequently, but I do trade larger sums so it makes sense.
https://www.share.com/accounts/dealing-accounts/share-account/costs-and-dealing-options/
Cheers, this is a one off thing so I probably need something that is cheap and cheerful
"Up 6% on Friday, that boat has probably also sailed short term."
Which was nice .... but the woodford fund tanked...and continued to do so - which evened things out 🙁
"Failing that oil and gas companies would be a "safe" bet as they trade in USD and the super majors pay pretty good dividends."
Kind of agree... .but look at the graphs for shell and BP since friday - i wouldnt be investing in them right now(but do hold some amongst others so keeps me interested.) - since friday they have gone up an insanely steep curve.....based on the last 8-12 months i would think theres a fall coming as they have been up and down like no bodys business
Help To Buy ISA for you (if you qualify) or next of kin along with another £200 to start the account, add £200pcm for another at least two months to then get a 25% topup when purchasing, at possibly slightly lower prices due to referendum fallout.
Which was nice .... but the woodford fund tanked...and continued to do so - which evened things out
More UK based.
I stuck another £2k in his Patient Capital fund yesterday.....
absolutely FF .... its not causing me to panic sell thats for sure.
fancy a wild punt?
AFC Energy...
Buy some training manuals, "The Road", "I am Legend" and "The Stand" would probably be good. Then spend the rest accordingly.
For the amateur investors, if you are going to dabble, make a plan and stick to it (not a popular approach these days). I did some speculating round about the time Barclays was below a pound, and learned that volatile stock markets are not for the faint hearted.
Not at all hypothetical in my case, though the proceeds of a house sale are rather more than 1k. I'm just trickling it into the stock market, not particularly thrilled by the current problems but there isn't really a better option on a long-term time scale.
Land Rover Defenders, lots of them
Buy some training manuals, "The Road", "I am Legend" and "The Stand" would probably be good. Then spend the rest accordingly.
It will all recover eventually to some extent, probably never be as good as if we'd stayed, but nothing we can do about that now. So just carry on as normal and accept that it will be a few years till things recover. I've still got a retirement to fund!
Star Wars Lego. Seriously.
Buy a cask of your favourite whisky - it'll either make a shed load, or be great for presents. Win/win.
Star Wars Lego. Seriously.
Aye, you're not wrong!
Kind of agree... .but look at the graphs for shell and BP since friday - i wouldnt be investing in them right now(but do hold some amongst others so keeps me interested.) - since friday they have gone up an insanely steep curve.....based on the last 8-12 months i would think theres a fall coming as they have been up and down like no bodys business
Look at Oil and Gas service companies and contractors, if there's a downturn they plummet (i.e. they're rock bottom now), if the oil companies are going well and investing they go up. Think of them as a derivative (in the mathematical sense) of oil companies shares, shell/BP going up, Oceaneering/Macondo is sky high, Shell/BP going down, they're already through the floor.
Assuming a one-off investment of £1000, just as much consideration needs to be given to reducing the downside as maximising the upside. We'd need to know how much £1000 is worth to the person investing. Is this their life savings or a small part of a wider portfolio? Do they have a mortgage? At what rate? Do they have unsecured debts?
Then: What are they investing for? Is there a set date at which they will need to cash out? (retirement, uni fees, etc) or can they be flexible?
Assuming the investor has no unsecured debts, a cash buffer, and will not need to liquidate on a set date but has a mortgage at say 4%, whacking it off the mortgage wouldn't be a bad shout. No dealing costs, no CGT considerations; little volatility; an instant addition to the investor's lifetime wealth.
A blind punt on an equity is fun, but dealing costs on such a small trade are a significant consideration. I'm only being slightly flippant when I say that taking your £1000 to the casino will be an easier chance of beating the FTSE when the dealing cost of a equity trade roughly match the house edge on a roulette table. And you could do so in an hour, rather than over weeks/months/years, and have nothing to declare on your tax return 🙂
and have nothing to declare on your tax return
With SIPPs and ISAs you have to have a serious amount of cash to invest before you need declare anything.
£40k SIPP and £15k ISA (rising to £20k next year).
I'll look after it for you. (I'm in the market for a new sofa)
Wait for a market correction the stars in my portfolio are at 52 week highs:
Shell
Unilever
British American tobacco
Imperial brands
All big global non gbp earners but FTSE listed. I think it's called translational benefit where your earnings are in non gbp but your shares are gbp.
Anyway, all show bond like characteristics. Eg, smoking, shaving, you don't stop consuming Unilever's products (marmite ice cream etc) in a crisis, ditto smoking. Bond proxies that's what the experts call them.
The market has already priced in these benefits so hold out for a pull back and go buy them.
IANAIFA
Shell
Unilever
British American tobacco
Imperial brands
Just buy Woodford's fund, very similar coverage (bar shell):
Yes I copied him and a few others of course. He does not like shell as it's capital intensive. If u were brave enough to buy shell rdsb in Jan at 13 gbp u d be quids in as they are 20 gbp today.
Never sell shell - must have heard it 1000 times over 20 years. Tick the reinvest dividends box and relax.
If u were brave enough to buy shell rdsb in Jan at [s]13 gbp[/s] 12.60GBP u d be quids in as they are 20 gbp today.
waves...... - as always , just wish i put more in - but i wasnt that brave or free with my cash.
a punt maybe but my driving factor was it was artificially lower than even jsut the oil price effect due to the BG merger - AFAIWC either way was benificial for shell. - yes it was over valued but it opened up huge markets for them and saved them spending many many billions on an LNG plant in oz.- as bg already had one and shell needed one big time.
Lottery tickets, coke and hookers.
*There may not be much left in the pot at the end of the week
OK well done picking some up at sub 13 gbp I got some at 1350 it just softens the blow of my 22 gbp ones.
Anyway on a brighter note I have resisted the temptation to sell and bank some profits which is a sure sign the markets going to crash and wipe out my paper gains.
It really is not for the faint hearted being directly invested.
Good luck btw
yeah the sub 13 quid thing was purely luck - it was something id decided i was going to do based on what i said above - and i was about to pull trigger and then they started to tumble down further to the low then started to pick up almost as fast........and i just jumped on.
But yeah luck - its one of 2 single shares i own as you say volatile and not for the faint hearted - heart was in my mouth several times on friday as things bounced about like a yo yo - shell was -.50+.50 depending on when you looked
13 gbp rdsb was a c 10 % yield and up 50% to today's near 20 gbp price. Hindsight eh!!
The biggest inflows to the ftse were when it touched it's all time hi of 72 something, the biggest outflows Jan 16 after it fell. People get burnt and never go back.
If I were plunging in I'd look for international markets, dollar pricing/company, no/low debts, low PE ratio, new biz on stream, takeover possibilities. With that in mind, three to research:
AMERISUR
ENTERTAINMENT ONE
GWP
ps BARC looked promising when they appointed the new CEO, it's been catastrophic since
FEVR has come down a lot but has been a v good earner
Jumping on the tails of the thread. What if it were, say, £30,000 and you did not need to access it for 5 years? And you were risk averse.
Look for funds (HL have a list of their favourites). I find them boring and slow but I do research where they invest to contrast/compare with my own thinking. I don't like the risk of money not making money so I tend to be more interested in AIM and the 250, risky but can be rewarding.
IANASB
Fill up an ISA with low risk funds this year, put the other half in some other low risk funds until you can shift it to an ISA year after.
Go to betfair and lay odds that Boris will not be leader.
Long shot for a small sum lay odds that Trump will not be republican candidate. Some say he will withdraw before convention and allow a step in candidate at convention
Fill up an ISA with low risk funds this year, put the other half in some other low risk funds until you can shift it to an ISA year after.
If you don't mind waiting till you're 55, use your SIPP allocation and get the tax back from HM Revenue, then put the rest in an ISA.
Buy food that can be stored for a year or so.
Then if it all goes tits up you won't need a wheelbarrow to carry the price of a loaf of bread.
If it doesn't go tits up, then you can eat it.
jekkyl - Member
premium bonds.
Need a lot more than that to stand more of a chance of a decent return with premium bonds, i.e. the maximum (£50k), and even then you could still end up never winning anything.
No risk though and an incredibly slim chance you might win big, but you stand more chance spending £1 each week on the lottery for the next 1000 days.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/premium-bonds
£1k isn't much to invest to get any kind of reasonable return without taking a big risk.
However, chuck it at your mortgage and reduce the term slightly and it's a help. More so if you're a fair way into the term anyway. Not a great deal on it's own. Regular overpayments make massive savings though and can be worth far more by reducing debt faster than agreed than the return on actual savings.
Personally I'd invest it on bike parts though. Or as already mentioned, Lego would be worth it too 😀
Buy another place in Spain, it's not enough to dab in money markets
100% matched betting.
If you have no betting accounts, a little mathematical ability, it's fairly easy to triple that in a few months.
Don't get me wrong you won't have any accounts left after that but easy money if you aren't a complete numpty.
and do't overlook Sound Energy (SOU), do your own reading. It's keeping me awake at night.
stoner will be laughing with his 1000 pound investment right now.....its worth 1250 right now i believe.
meanwhile i got 25 quid each of the last 4 months from premium bonds.
Trolley tokens
Amazon FBA. All day long. Sell on Amazon.com rather than .co.uk as a much bigger market and more aggressive growth curve for sales, plus more advanced affiliate advertising for products.
Essentially if you make good choices, you should be able to very rapidly turn that £1000 initial investment into a rolling £1000/mth net profit within 6 months, pretty passively.
Essentially if you make good choices, you should be able to very rapidly turn that £1000 initial investment into a rolling £1000/mth net profit within 6 months, pretty passively.
Wow. Mine's a cobra please.
Curious
how does one sell on amazon passively ?
My idea of passively being i hand my money to a.nother passive fund and they grow it via their investment in the stock market and take a cut for the pleasure....
Santander 1,2,3 accounts are going from 3% to 1.5% in November. I'm not sure where to go with my cash. I'm pretty cautious but interest rates are so low I'm thinking stocks and shares Isa? Who with? Anything else?
Fox factory 36s
Whilst we're on the subject of investments, what average growth rate are people basing their future incomes from investment on? I'm doing some calculations at the moment for retirement financial planning in just under 6 years.
I've based the calcs on a conservative 4%, but is 7% a more realistic long term 'stock market' growth? Although I have done the calculations based on 1% up to 15% just to cover all the bases 🙂
I would step away from traditional investment instruments at the moment.
Vintage watches? I have doubled up on a certain brand in the last 2 years.
Santander 1,2,3 accounts are going from 3% to 1.5% in November. I'm not sure where to go with my cash. I'm pretty cautious but interest rates are so low I'm thinking stocks and shares Isa? Who with? Anything else?
You highlight two conundrums nicely (1) for Santander and (2) for everyone
123 has been a phenomenal success but SAN now in a pickle over what next and what will be their growth driver - hmmm
In this wonderful world of free market capitalism (sic) the powers that be are deliberately forcing us to make the wrong investment decisions. They are deliberately mis-pricing safe investments at a time when the risk involved in alternatives is also no longer properly priced. So flooding markets with liquidity at a time of ultra low returns - sound familiar.
Its an economic shambles
Curioushow does one sell on amazon passively ?
The whole idea of the Amazon FBA system is that you never have to touch stock. The nearest you come to stock is checking samples from your supplier before placing the order (which is then delivered into Amazon distribution centre, where they do everything for a 25% cut of sale). You get an alert when stocks are getting low, and arrange another order for delivery in. Payment from Amazon to you is every 14 days. Job done.
I estimate 8% growth for my calcs although I have done significantly better over the last 3 yrs (20%+)
I am cautious !
Best advice is Lego StarWars then, I can just imagine coming home to find every box has been opened by the kids...
Ooh theres an ad come up [url= https://www.shentonbonds.com/?utm_source=Experian&utm_medium=Display&utm_campaign=Shenton%20Bonds%20Campaign ]ShentonMiniBonds[/url] 10% gross p.a for four years! Sounds spot on.
I would step away from traditional investment instruments at the moment.Vintage watches? I have doubled up on a certain brand in the last 2 years.
Yes fancy a bit of that...
surfer - Member
I estimate 8% growth for my calcs although I have done significantly better over the last 3 yrs (20%+)I am cautious !
I am curious ! What are you invested in?
That growth has been mainly Fundsmith and i am heavily invested in both my ISA and SIPP. I have been in Fundsmith since the launch so have benefited from a doubling of my initial investment during that period.
I was more spread up until a year ago but it was difficult to find any funds that where providing anywhere near the (consistent) growth that Fundsmith has shown so that was a good decision.
I need to diversify a bit but unless I want to take more of a risk then I cant see much that is reliably showing growth of 8%+ ???
Gawd, if ever a thread made me feel like a thick twonk! The only thing I've understood is "Star Wars Lego"... I've got a few £K left from my redundancy and I've just left it in my current account. Too scared to move it. (Got ISAs already.) 🙁
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Vintage watches? I have doubled up on a certain brand in the last 2 years.
They're not great investments. Entry and exit costs are high if bought at auction (15% premium both ends?) and a dealers spread is vast.
I suspect you have to get lucky with a buy.
Talking of "luck"...
Vintage watches? I have doubled up on a certain brand in the last 2 years.They're not great investments. Entry and exit costs are high if bought at auction (15% premium both ends?) and a dealers spread is vast.
I suspect you have to get lucky with a buy.
Talking of "luck"...
Granted some luck was involved with that example. but I have only once lost money, sometime you need to sit on the for some time though, so I only buy with 'Spare' money.
I have been wondering if putting down £1000 for a Tesla Model 3 might be worthwhile, bound to be people who will pay a premium to jump the queue when it finally arrives.
I have been wondering if putting down £1000 for a Tesla Model 3 might be worthwhile, bound to be people who will pay a premium to jump the queue when it finally arrives.
Or invest in Lithium mines. Tesla's proposed production would gobble up the current world output and still be hungry for more...
(Not advice, just floating the idea)