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Seems as if youre not allowed to take any fluid into the olympics greater than 100ml, even drinking water, so coca cola are going to make a lot of cash selling fizzy drinks then.
There are water fountains available inside the venues, so take an empty bottle and fill it up once you're in.
some of us dont want to drink water from a fountrain used by others and some like to drink tea, and coffee along with soft drinks.
over the top profiteering by the vendors of drinks.
Would you rather someone sumggled in a liquid bomb ?
If you have a water bottle with you,
please ensure it is empty before
you reach security as there are
no facilities to empty bottles at the
search tents. Free drinking water
is available inside the venue.
What's wrong with getting water from a tap that others have used?
or just fund a multinatioanl drinks comapny.
trolltastic......I cant wait to go to the Olympics, havent given a moments thought to what I'm going to drink.
Free drinking water is available inside the venue.
Ah, right, so no point in getting out my angry Anti-Olympic words for this thread then?
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over the top profiteering by the vendors of drinks
It'd be massively naive to expect anything different.
Just another reason to stay well away from the whole mad parade...
surely as coke are sponsoring it there'll be free coke products on tap too?
bit of a ballache about the tea/coffee but guess it's on par with airport security so fair enough.
What's so fair about aiport 'security'?
some of us dont want to drink water from a fountrain used by others
And some people have weird psychological issues which do a fine job of helping the proliferation of the utterly wasteful stupidity that is bottled water...
what's the tea/coffee ballache?
weeeeeell airports are [i]apparently[/i] a notorious terrorist attack target so they tend to have beefed up security. And [i]apparently*[/i] the olympics have a big terrorist bullseye painted on it too so by that reasoning I'd expect similar security.What's so fair about aiport 'security'?
As with airports you are choosing to go there so you have to abide by the security policy (as was not the case with the tower block SAMs)
*how true this is I don't know
EDIT BTW if everyone is refused bringing drinks in but someone still manages to sneak a liquid bomb in by some ingenious "look at that over there" distraction I'd be pretty peeved, the "illusion of security" just impeding normal lives but not actually stopping those pesky terrorists is bit of a downer.
erm you can't take anywhat's the tea/coffee ballache?
As you're not allowed to bring in bottles,
But you're not allowed to take in empty bottles either. 🙄
And also excluded:
? Flags of countries not participating in the games (this excludes the flags of nations under the umbrella of a participating country such as England, Scotland and Wales).
Does this badly written piece of text mean the Saltire is banned from football matches at Hampden?
Official info:
"Bring as little as possible with you: one medium-sized handbag or small backpack is allowed per person. There are no storage facilities available. You can bring food, provided it fits in your bag, and an empty plastic water bottle to fill up inside the venue. You cannot bring in liquids over 100ml."
I use bottled water sales to identify idiots 😉
Although, weirdly, my wife won't drink water from our bathroom tap even though she knows it's the same as from the kitchen 😕
Although she is from Brazil.
So how many olympic events do you have tickets for project? Let us know which ones and with the massed might of the stw combine we'll smuggle the component parts of a kettle and a tea bag into each event for you, along with a filter system to purify our own collected tears
I've seen homebrew liquid explosive go off. Jesus titty fricking Christ.
You can also bring in ten containers of 100ml to make up a total of a litre. Time to get your tupperware out!
But you're not allowed to take in empty bottles either
[i]The Locog spokesman said... If you've got a bottle of water you might be asked to empty it but you'll be able to take that bottle in and fill it up when you get to the other side[/i] [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15110730 ]from BBC article[/url]
just aslong as it's not glass
Tempting to regard this as revenue protection rather than security protection, isn't it....
Regarding the comparison with airport security - it seems rather fallacious to me. Someone taking a liquid explosive on an aircraft has a good chance of taking down the plane.
what's the tea/coffee ballache?
erm you can't take any
Yes you can, if you desperately want to. In 100ml bottles, up to ten of them. Or i suspect you'll be able to buy it in the venue, even though CocaCola don't make it.
Shit's sake people, have we nothing better to do that argue about what to drink at the world's greatest sporting event happening right here, in two weeks time!
Joao - your wife's right - almost certainly your bathroom tap will come from a tank in the roof, which will have a dead pigeon and some rat shit in it.
yes but in light of all the other security measures being taken it's either all a very big ploy or they're pretty confident the event is going to be targetedTempting to regard this as revenue protection rather than security protection, isn't it....
Someone taking a liquid explosive on an aircraft has a good chance of taking down the plane.
Whereas a bottle of liquid explosive in say a stadium with 80,000 close packed people will be a minor annoyance?
Tempting to regard this as revenue protection rather than security protection, isn't it....
Regarding the comparison with airport security - it seems rather fallacious to me. Someone taking a liquid explosive on an aircraft has a good chance of taking down the plane.
With bottled water in most shops costing more per litre than diesel I suspect free drinking water will be more widely inside the Olympic venues than any other public venue in the country. How many public drinking fountains do you pass each day?
Actually, liquid explosive is cheaper than bottled water
ten 100ml bottles of tea doesn't = one thermos of the stuff does it? I was just saying it might be a pain for the tea drinking hardcore, I was actually agreeing with the measures - kindof
Agreed, but at least you can get it in. Now you need a heating device. Something solar clearly being out of the question, I shall attempt to rewarm mine to drinking temperature using the heat from the collective rage of the tea drinking, thermos wielding hardcore.
Just stoking what is turning out to be a good argument. it's not trolling if I admit it upfront, is it?
Why does anyone with any self-esteem actually pay money to be treated as a suspect rather then staying away and telling the organisation to do one?
pay money to be treated as a suspect
I'm paying money to see the greatest sporting event on earth.
I'm prepared to udertake some basic security checks / accomodate some security restrictions so that my fellow spectators and i can enjoy the event safely.
If I was going to pay someone to wear a uniform and frisk me, it would be far cheaper than i've paid for these tickets, wouldn't be a member of the same sex, and would last longer than the 15 seconds or so i reckon this will last.
Whereas a bottle of liquid explosive in say a stadium with 80,000 close packed people will be a minor annoyance?
Indeed.
Explosives need confinement to be effective (speaking as someone who studied explosives in mining...)
So a packed aluminium tube - be it bus or underground train, and the effects are likely to be devastating.
In an open arena - has to be very different.
Not saying that is good - just potentially a different scale of likelihood and effect
Security at sporting events is usually pretty lax, and the Olympics won't be any different. I was told i couldn't take a laptop into Wembley for a game a while back. I queried it, the security guy went to find his manager so i just walked off.
mleh whats your problem
just pick up a sporty supersized coke at MaccyD's!!
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illusion I was referring to, eg ticket checkers in train stations, I've seen people take ages rooting through their bags to find their ticket, eventually found it but in the meantime some scrote has just walked passed when challenged and none of the checkers made a move. SO you only stop the polite people then?I queried it, the security guy went to find his manager so i just walked off.
I've accidentally gone through airport security (greece iirc) with a 2l bottle of water and wasn't challenged.
you'll be able to take that bottle in and fill it up when you get to the other side from BBC article
That's an old article and differs from current information:
Explosives need confinement to be effective (speaking as someone who studied explosives in mining...)
So a packed aluminium tube - be it bus or underground train, and the effects are likely to be devastating.
Or in Warrington : a bin.
Hampden Park, StirlingCrispin? 🙄
It couldn't possibly be the case that there would be different rules for different venues?
You cannot bring in liquids over 100ml*, including water –but at most venues you can bring an empty plastic water bottle and fill it up at water points inside venues.
That was copied and pasted from the Olympic website, FYI.
I'll probably just take my camelbak mule with me and fill it when I get in there.
But what if someone is taking a baby and needs bottles of milk? Same applies to a plane. Is there an exception and you have to test it to prove it's okay?
You're only moaning beacuse you haven't got a ticket.
Someone taking a liquid explosive on an aircraft has a good chance of taking down the plane.
Would this be the same liquid explosive that requires lab conditions to manufacture in situ as it is non-transportable?
All they need to look for is the water baths and calibrated thermometers 8)
I can bet you won't be allowed to take anything more than a compact camera too!
Every music gig I've been to in the last 3-4 years that I've bothered taking a camera to I've been told to leave it outside/in cloths lockers as they aren't allowed due to exisitng obligations (to contracted photographers).
The fact its the only digital camera I have, and the fact I'm not affiliated with any tog/media contracts totally misses them.
But what if someone is taking a baby
don't take a baby to an event they will have no recollection of in the future?
Why does anyone with any self-esteem actually pay money to be treated as a suspect rather then staying away and telling the organisation to do one?
Probably the same reason that some people don't apply similar logic to forum threads about subjects they don't like.
what to drink at the world's greatest sporting event
I think you'll find, that the answer is beer/coffee and it's in France not UK.
No flask of tea in what looks like perfect "tea in the rain" conditions.
I think you'll find, that the answer is [s]beer/coffee[/s] wine/pastis and it's in France not UK.
FTFY
Just wondering if you're allowed to bring 100ml of pastis in a 1 1/2 litre bottle and add water once inside. 😆
the incredibly scientific method of [i]getting a parent to taste it[/i].But what if someone is taking a baby and needs bottles of milk? Same applies to a plane. Is there an exception and you have to test it to prove it's okay?
Wonder if there are threads on célibatairetrackworld about hosting the bloody TdF again, traffic delays, security precautions, et zut alors we're still dans Le Milieu de un recessionI think you'll find, that the answer is beer/coffee and it's in France not UK.
Would this be the same liquid explosive that requires lab conditions to manufacture in situ as it is non-transportable?
All they need to look for is the water baths and calibrated thermometers
The stuff I witnessed was two commonly available products mixed in a jug, in a field. Compared to the c4 we were also using the explosion was very unruly.
You're only moaning beacuse you haven't got a ticket.
🙂
Sod the grumbling, I'm really looking forward to it!
(Then again, I have tickets, so nerr.......! 😉 )
I hate the Olympics and all it stands for
This however
Although, weirdly, my wife won't drink water from our bathroom tap even though she knows it's the same as from the kitchen[b]Although she is from Brazil.[/b]
means I'm now properly jealous.....
Just take 100ml of squash, dilute with the rain.
Every music gig I've been to in the last 3-4 years that I've bothered taking a camera to I've been told to leave it outside/in cloths lockers as they aren't allowed due to exisitng obligations (to contracted photographers).The fact its the only digital camera I have, and the fact I'm not affiliated with any tog/media contracts totally misses them.
If your camera is a DSLR, or a 'Bridge' camera! Like a Nikon Coolpix P510, Fujifilm X-S1 or. Panasonic Lumix FZ48, then absolutely. A DSLR is a pro camera, as far as a venue is concerned, and a bridge camera looks enough like a DSLR for venue security to take that off you. They can't be arsed to discriminate.
However, if you have a compact with a decent zoom, like my Lumix TZ30, it's generally not an issue. One or two venues I go to have restrictions, like St George's in Bristol, but they're rare these days, 'cos everyone has a phone with a camera on it. I was using mine at the Royal Albert Hall last weekend, no problem. Bristol Colston Hall used to get sniffy, but not now.
I didn't get any tickets, so I'm miffed anyway, but I'm exceptionally glad that I'm not going. For all of the show of security, don't you think that any potential terrorist has already figured out a way of getting their weapons of destruction in?
After all, there'll be literally hundreds of trucks delivering goods every day (to McDonalds and the like) - do you[i] honestly[/i] think that every inch of every vehicle will be checked? All you need is collusion between a driver and a member of the receiving staff, and you can get stuff in. The major security screening areas at airports and the like are regularly bypassed by large numbers of people—maintenance staff, shop workers, airline staff, and security themselves. Almost all of those jobs are crappy, low-paid jobs with really high turnover. If you’re a serious plotter, don’t you think you could get one of those jobs? And look at the people G4S have hired – none of the people I saw yesterday on the TV filled me with any great confidence, and the only check that’s done is to see if they pass the standard police reconds review. Gosh, if only al-Qaeda had thought of using people without a criminal record, eh?
And then there’s the shoes. Taking off your shoes is next to useless. Saying that we all have to take our shoes off because they might contain explosives is almost as bad as saying that the terrorists wore red shirts last time, so we should probably ban all red shirts, and that’ll make us safer. If our beloved security services focus on shoes, it’s not beyond the wit of man to believe that terrorists will simply put their explosives elsewhere; the result is that a load of time is spent on the screening but there’s no reduction in the total threat.
What about those swabs they have, you know, the ones they rub over the keyboard of your laptop? This is a test for explosives, which would be excellent if you assume that terrorists are pig-thick. Apparently the idea is that al-Qaeda has never heard of latex gloves and wiping down with alcohol.
I absolutely understand that the purpose of terrorism is to terrorise, and nothing could be better for some bad guys than to disrupt the Olympics. But if terrorists really want to do this, and you lock down the Olympic Park that tightly, what’s to stop a committed terrorist from detonating something in, say, the Blackwall Tunnel? Certainly close enough to cause pandemonium, and it would inevitably be linked to the Games. Just fill a car with explosives, drive through it tomorrow, and job done. Total chaos, the Olympics is in panic, and your aims are achieved.
So what you’re left with in all of this security checking is a bit of pantomime. [Oh yes you are.] The message given is that we, the Government, are doing everything we can to protect you. Thing is, the actions that really make you safe – better intelligence mainly – don’t address public fears because they can’t be seen. But that’s OK, you can justify the pantomime because, to start with at least, a show of strength, no matter how pointless, has the effect of instilling that confidence. After a very short while, however, the message has changed. At first the additional security guard at Luton Airport reassures you, but after a while, you either continue to take it seriously, in which case you start to believe that air travel is really dangerous, or you become astonishingly cynical like me, and believe it’s a total and utter waste of time and money, a sop by a cynical government to pacify the gullible masses.
100ml bottles? An utterly pointless triviality. If you think it makes you safer, you’re deluded. You should be angry about this, not just nod your head and meekly accept this tripe. But instead we'll all shuffle around, bleating about 'the common good' and 'the need for security'. How utterly British of us.
How can you not like drinking water ?? It's water !! It has no taste (OK except in London maybe but I hear you get used to it)
I was at a Crowd Management Seminar recently at a big stadium, v interesting, one presenter was saying that terrorists also line up secondary target e.g. the evacuation area in case of incident, so be careful not to put everybody in the same place if you have to clear an event. Chilling stuff.
OK except in London maybe but I hear you get used to it
they used to run tastes tests of various waters - spring/bottled and tap - and Thames Water regularly would win or be at the top - even though it has on average been through the human body 7 times.
even though it has on average been through the human body 7 times.
Really?
Waste water is treated and sent to the sea.
Drinking water is collected from rain.
Yes, rain does comes from clouds which may form over the sea, but in that case we're drinking the pee of everyone on the planet that ever lived.
I an aware that there is a plan to recycle waste water into drinking water in London, but it'll be a first.
Sorry Nick, i don't really get the point of your post. You're saying the counter terrorism measures don't work, so what? We shouldn't bother with them? Or that we should just carry on and let the deluded fools walk into Al Qaeda's trap while the smart people aren't bothering to go to the Olympics because they can see it's all a sham?
No measure will be 100.00000000% effective. I'm sure the majority of plots are foiled by people far smarter and braver than you or I, who are probably at this exact moment putting the finishing touches to a devastating attack on the Olympics/ an airport / the Underground but who in fact are risking themselves to make our streets safer as undercover operatives and are about to call time. If this 100ml bottle situation is just dotting i's and crossing t's to prevent the extremely unlikely scenario of some out of joint nutjob who's read something on the internet carrying out their own attack, I'm all for a little queueing to accomodate it. You're right, it probably won't foil an attack because there probably won't be one, but if it makes it harder for one to succeed, i think the cost benefit equation is tolerable.
Simply saying it won't do any good and refusing to participate because you think it's meek and british to accept it - if we all did that then the terrorists will have won anyway. An Olympics where no-one turned up because we think the counter terrorism measures are over the top - brilliant.
Waste water is treated and sent to the sea.Drinking water is collected from rain.
In the Thames Water region 80% of drinking water comes from rivers, and treated waste water is pumped into rivers.
Nick f, well said, and sadly so plausible that those who get paid considerable amounts of money have totally ignored and failed to cover.
An Olympics where no-one turned up because we think the counter terrorism measures are over the top - brilliant.
More likely to be an Olympics where the counter terrorism measure fail to turn up, tbh. It's looking like a total shambles.
An article on the evening news just mentioned the total lack of security staff. For example, at a site in Manchester today 17 out of the 56 contracted G4S staff turned up. The police had to be used to replace them, at a cost of £30000 a day.
They also had another article on their management and the government's control of the situation. Apparently they know that there are going to be massive no-shows of staff. But Theresa May, or the G4S directors, doesn't even know the base figure of how many have been employed so guessing who or how many will turn up is almost impossible.
Sorry Nick, i don't really get the point of your post. You're saying the counter terrorism measures don't work, so what? We shouldn't bother with them? Or that we should just carry on and let the deluded fools walk into Al Qaeda's trap while the smart people aren't bothering to go to the Olympics because they can see it's all a sham?
My point is this - if you really think there's a terrorist threat, spend the money on intelligence. Don't spend millions on something that effectively makes the terrorists' points for them (i.e that they have significant power and can affect the lives of everyone in Britain) when it's not the case.
It's not just the Olympics, it's airports/stadia/ferries/museums(!)...you name it, there's a security goon there 'for your own protection' who doesn't actually deliver [i]any[/i] real protection. I'm not saying that queuing up to prevent an attack is a waste of time because there won't be an attack, it's that if there were to be an attack, this sort of checking would almost certainly not have prevented it.
As I said before, there are a multiplicity of ways to get dangerous materials through, and if we think that queuing up will somehow prevent this, we're at best astonishingly naive. And by acting as if the terrorists are a real, credible and daily threat, we're giving them the oxygen of publicity, [i]which is exactly what they want[/i]. Never thought I'd agree with Thatcher on anything, but she was right on this.
I didn't get any tickets, so I'm miffed anyway, but I'm exceptionally glad that I'm not going
I award you the award for talking the biggest load of tripe on STW this year!
You wanted to go so you applied for tickets, but because you didn't get any now you're glad you're not going.
Right
I see.
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I award you the award for talking the biggest load of tripe on STW this year!You wanted to go so you applied for tickets, but because you didn't get any now you're glad you're not going.
Right
I see.
I wanted to go. I support the Olympics.
I don't think the security programme is anything other than window dressing, but I'd have put up with it (because I'd have no choice). That's not the same as agreeing with it. As it is, I got no tickets, so at least I'm spared the charade of G4S 'protecting' me.
Tripe? If you say so.
Tripe? If you say so.
I do say so.
Thanks for agreeing. 😛
Thank god the whole bloody balls up will be over soon.
In the Thames Water region 80% of drinking water comes from rivers, and treated waste water is pumped into rivers.
And how many millions of gallons of rain water are collected by those same rivers do you think ernie?
Ah yes, that famous closed system, the Thames.
Our courier is DPD but they won't be delivering anything within the London Olympic zone during the Olympics. Everything is to be delivered by UPS (the official logistics company of the Olympics apparently). This means that all parcels can be checked outside the zone and that only one courier company's personnel will have to be security checked.
Please feel free to put me right on this one as DPD don't have a clue and we are trying to let our London based customers know what the hell is going on!
the whole security thing is a farce of the highest order. Missile batteries on tower blocks, no liquids to be carried in ETC etc Just window dressing intended to make people think that everything possible is being done but actually wasting money on useless gestures
I would rather Olympics go to N.Korea ...
And how many millions of gallons of rain water are collected by those same rivers do you think ernie?
Why ? ......how is that relevant ?
As I said, Thames Water pumps treated waste water into rivers. It also collects water from rivers. How many millions of gallons of rainwater I think enters rivers is completely irrelevant.
Although if you are interested I can tell you that 80% of the water in the River Wandle (which is what Wandsworth is named after, and where it enters the Thames) comes from Beddington Sewage Farm. So presumably 20% of the water in my local river comes from rainwater. HTH
even though it has on average been through the human body 7 times.
Really?Waste water is treated and sent to the sea.
Drinking water is collected from rain.
[url= http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070520045921AAwt7aQ ]Someone from Thames Water told me the average glass of tap water in London is recycled 7 times?[/url]
however:
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572840/Tap-water-beats-bottles-in-taste-test.html ]Tap water beats bottles in taste test[/url]
If you are working there I have heard that using the wrong brands of phone can get you escorted from the venue.
If you are working there I have heard that using the wrong brands of phone can get you escorted from the venue.
That sounds a bit tinfoil-hat, even to my jaundiced ears.
There is one way to find out...
That sounds a bit tinfoil-hat, even to my jaundiced ears.
I does doesn't it ? So I checked, and presumably they won't be escorted from the venue for using a non 02 contracted phone because apparently they won't be able to use them in the first place :
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/london-olympics-business/8857497/London-2012-Olympics-chaos-for-mobile-phones.html ]London 2012 Olympics: chaos for mobile phones[/url]
[i]"a combination of an O2 sponsorship deal and signal-blocking technology could spell chaos for mobile phone users at the London Olympics"[/i]
It all seems very outrageous at the moment but I dare say that, given time, it will eventually be accepted as the norm. Like so many other things.
That is worrying.
What else is banned?
This one is interesting
[i][b]Objects or clothing bearing political statements or “overt commercial identification intended for ambush marketing”[/b][/i]
Wonder how they decide if something is political or not?
Wonder how they decide if something is political or not?
Presumably the person doing the security check. Personally I think it's a very necessary decision as it is a sporting event which shouldn't hijacked by people who want to make a political point. And I'm sure there are plenty who would like to use the Olympics to express opposition to British foreign policy - as an example. Unlike the Chinese at the last Olympic Games Britain has very wisely insisted that the Olympic Torch remains in the UK, it would make no sense to allow someone to stroll into the venue with a "British Get Out Of Afghanistan" banner/tee shirt. Although I do know the worry is that people will be refused entry for wearing a "Che" tee shirt. Presumably the staff employed by G4S, if they exist/turn up, will be far too sensible to be guilty of such a thing.