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Read what happened to Jewish people in Nazi Germany in the 30’s. We are nowhere near.
Also, what are the UK’s eugenics pogroms that you speak of epicyclo?
I have to agree, the fact that we are even comparing the UK in it's current state to the Holocaust and trivialising it is why a lot of Jews don't trust Europeans to this day and **** off to Israel.
Some of the posts on here comparing Brexit rhetoric to the Holocaust is bordering on the pathetic.
Brexit rhetoric is just that ... and generally free speech. On the margins , from both sides , it does slip into a hate aspect ...
But do not compare it to what happened in the Holocaust. You of the remain lilt lilt should know far better than to show such a clear contempt of what happened.
If you want to get a real flavour of how ignorant – or stupid – Britain has become, listen to Akala discuss Brexit at 36 mins in:
Is it because he’s black and has a London accent?
Ah my apologies, I didn’t realise you were racist and ignorant. If a few people had googled him like i suggested you release he’s and extremely intelligent and learned individual who’d educate you on the principals of forgotten history - deliberately or otherwise - which is directly relevant to the topic in this thread, specifically because the subject is directly related to our politics and monarchy which governs this oh so broken and confused country.
Mrmofo, Akala does have a passage in his vocabulary discussing the politics of nazi Germany and how it relates to Brexit today it’s a very interesting piece to listen to.
You've never spoken a foreign language in a Tesco queue or driven a car on foreign plates in small town UK then, mrmoofa. Fashion is becoming more international and universal but I have a fond memory of a Brit mate telling me he didn't want to be seen in the pub with me in in my obviously foreign looking trowsers. It was said in jest but he'd obviously thought it - I didn't change.
Brits find it quite OK to be loud-mouthed and often drunk in every ski resort in the Alps but object to people speaking foreign languages or just lookin foreign in small town UK.
If your free speech includes insulting people just because they are speaking foreign or look different you can keep your British version of free speech.
Edukatah (as we are being juvenile about spellings).... nice assumptions.
Lived in Germany for 1.5 years, Switzerland for 8. Have driven foreign registered cars in the Uk many times ....
I have no issues with people from different cultures ...
I have been a victim of what you highlight ... having been threatened by Swiss farmers for stealing Swiss jobs (long live SVP). Ironic, as I was doing a job that there was no Swiss could do, and paying full taxes etc.
I found it offensive , small minded, and slightly worrying that the police had no interest in getting involved ... and local villagers warned against doing anything as it would cause issues.
But comparing this to The Holocaust is just amazing crass. I would have thought you were better than that ...
Just a typo, mrmoofo.
But comparing this to The Holocaust is just amazing crass
I haven't, read back. I haven't used the word "holocaust" in any of my posts apart from a link to demonstrate Brits are more aware at 19/20 than most Europeans.
I'm pointing out that the elements needed for a rise in fascism and discrimination against minorities are increasingly present in the UK. Brexit is a symptom and part of the process.
I can't remember being taught about the Holocaust in history at secondary school (1970-77) but I didn't like the subject anyway so dropped it before O-Levels. On the other hand there was a general fascination for military subjects and "war" so I read a lot about the Holocaust and events and attitudes leading to it.
As someone posted earlier a lot depends on the actual questions being asked and how the answers were interpreted. If I'd been asked how many were murdered by the Nazis in the Holocaust how close to the accepted figure would I have had to state to be regarded as "correct"? And which figure? Jews only or should it include all those murdered?
English (it’s mainly English) propagandists for the “special” nature of the U.K. - it’s culture, history and “democracy”, have been exposed as frauds by Brexit.
There is just as much wilful ignorance, stupidity and dumb grovelling servility there as anywhere else.
Humans. Adrenaline glands too big, temporal lobes too small. Evolved, in the large part, to react not think and therefore always seeking simple answers to difficult questions, whilst looking for “outside” groups to blame and kill or otherwise oppress.
BBC2 now. It’s riveting, but really upsetting.
I watched that last night too and really felt they didn't need all the long 'artistic' close-ups of the survivors and just sat there wondering how they must have felt being filmed like that. It really didn't need it - what they went through was enough and we didn't need that style of filming to lend any more gravity to their stories. I am also (re)reading Primo Levi 'If This Is a Man / The Truce' - anyone with a passing interest in what life was like for interns in Death Camps should read it.
really felt they didn’t need all the long ‘artistic’ close-ups of the survivors and just sat there wondering how they must have felt being filmed like that. It really didn’t need it – what they went through was enough and we didn’t need that style of filming to lend any more gravity to their stories.
I didn't see last night's programme but if you are talking about close-ups of near-death camp survivors, I'd disagree. Just a glimpse of those horrific images can educate people far quicker than pages of text. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable speaks volumes. (Apologies in advance if we are talking about different things..)
That pissed up thick hooligan is talking about Muslim Rape Gangs, not Muslim Ray Guns. As in the paedophile gang in Rochdale.
I didn’t see last night’s programme but if you are talking about close-ups of near-death camp survivors, I’d disagree.
It was close-ups of them during their present day interviews - all slo-mo arty shots that weren't needed - I think back to the filming of the veterans interviewed at the end of Band of Brothers which were so much more sympathetically shot. And the subject certainly doesn't make me feel uncomfortable otherwise I wouldn't be reading (for the second time) Primo Levi right now. Reading his text brings infinitely more detail and reality to what happened than seeing pictures taken at the time of their liberation.
R4's More or Less questioning the credibility of this survey just now.
Yes just heard that. Apparently the questions were quite confusing in the survey with double negatives etc and the likely figure from another survey in the states shows 2% disbelievers.
Brits find it quite OK to be loud-mouthed and often drunk in every ski resort in the Alps but object to people speaking foreign languages or just lookin foreign in small town UK.
How long has it been since you last spent any significant time in ‘small town UK’?
I’m not aware of any particular hostility towards anyone with a foreign accent, ‘looking foreign’, or wearing ‘foreign trowsers’ whatever the heck they are.
90% of the staff where I work are Polish or from other central European countries, living in the South-west of England, we get shit-loads of people of all nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, and very, very few give much of a toss.
Speak with an English accent in parts of Wales, on the other hand...
I heard the more or less show, too. Surprisingly the reason 'we' on STW thought it was a misleading story was because the Guardian said the question had been "Are you aware of the Holocaust". That was wrong and the question was about whether people thought it had really happened and it was misleading for completely different reasons.
Show is here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00028cf
How long has it been since you last spent any significant time in ‘small town UK’?
I’m not aware of any particular hostility towards anyone with a foreign accent, ‘looking foreign’, or wearing ‘foreign trowsers’ whatever the heck they are.
90% of the staff where I work are Polish or from other central European countries, living in the South-west of England, we get shit-loads of people of all nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, and very, very few give much of a toss.
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