New Second Generation Geometron G1: Even More Adjustable

I loved my Geometron but I'm priced out of the game these days. I might try a well used one in a couple of years.

Love the evolution of this. Looks really good, even if not the bike for me.

I know it's a case of function over form, but it's still a bike only it's mother could love. Both up close and at a distance....

Want! The option of a shorter travel build is particularly interesting for me. Wonder what the no shock price is.

I'm really interested to know more, but that word salad lost me after about 5 minutes (or about 1/16th of the way through)
If you're going to make something that ugly, you need a better way of convincing people how good it is (and I know it's good)

Is there a mutator chip available to contract it into one normal sized press release?

Stunning. Great work.

I don’t get alloy frames at this price point (unless it has a lifetime warranty) and design brief. As I understand it, if alloy cracks, it can’t really be repaired unlike steel, titanium and carbon fibre - plus it fatigues faster than those materials on average too. It’s the sort of price and brief that suggests people will keep it a long time - something I’m supportive of from both an environmental and value for money perspective - but if it cracks after the 5 year warranty, it’s basically scrap. Surely steel or CF would be preferable for this kind of bike? I think it’s a cool bike, but I wouldn’t want to fork out £3600 for it.

If it cracks after 5 years Nicolai will make you a new bit and you can bolt it in and continue on. They support the bikes for 10 years.

I cracked a bolt. Geometron were incredibly helpful getting it sorted. This is on a second hand 2017 frame

I'd like a dh bike, it would get very little use. If I bought the short travel version of this + dh shock+ dh fork I could probably buy a second hand complete top end dh bike.

Dear Chris porter, if you are listening, there must be a way to bodge a water bottle inside the frame design if you try.

I’m really interested to know more, but that word salad lost me after about 5 minutes (or about 1/16th of the way through)
If you’re going to make something that ugly, you need a better way of convincing people how good it is

It's a lot of words, but the opposite of word salad IMO.  If you were genuinely interested, you'd just read it.  It all makes sense, with plenty detail for the genuinely interested, instead of daft marketing soundbitey nonsense.

I think it looks great, but I'm slightly biased as a current owner.  Interesting to see reach getting reined in, and CS getting longer for a given frame size compared to previous.

No weight figures so I imagine it’s into ebike territory

Why do all brands make a big thing about elite riders testing. Surely they need some weekend mincers testing aswell as that is probably the group who buy most of the products

@tall Martin - I meant if you cracked the frame not the replaceable bolts or threaded inserts.

Only frame I ever cracked was made of carbon fibre. I know a few people who have cracked expensive carbon frames, I understand that there has only been one broken G1.

They’re not light, but much lighter than an e-bike. Very few people fit lightweight components, but you could probably build a sub-13 kg rig if you tried hard enough - but if you’re after a bike you could race XC on, this is not the one for you.

@TomZesty

I think when it comes to lifespan you have to factor design and build quality in just as much as the material. On the whole Nicolais are known for being well made and long lived frames. They use 7000 series Alu that's more fatigue resistant than the 6061 most Alu bikes are made from (and more expensive, more difficult to weld). They're also willing to make spares for just about any frame they've ever sold. I know a chap who got new chainstays for his 2008 Helius a couple of years ago. It took 12 weeks and he had to pay but they made them for him. I don't own one but I have a lot of time for Nicolai.

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On a different level, for £7500 Geometron can sell you an essentially bespoke bike, with suspension travel and damping tuned specially just for you. This (along with the Atheron bikes' similar level of custom options) makes spending £7k+ on a Chiniese made carbon bike look really, really silly. I weigh 100kg so saving 2 or 3 on the bike's not a factor here.

That looks very nice. I’d only I wasn’t poor.

@TomZesty

I had new chain and seat stays made. Not just the mutators ( bits on end of chain and seat stays).

I had to pay. It made my 2nd hand frame a similar price to a new with warranty frame. It was better than a broken frame that couldn't be fixed. And cheaper than replacing the frame as I was two separate incidents

My one is 16.5kg with a lyrik and exo tyres. It is about the same as a friend’s canyon strive. It isn’t light but the seating position is so good for climbing it still climbs really well.  I have used it for multi day bike packing trips.  Probably not the best bike in the world for that but still fine.

@ tall martin

fair enough, i still think steel or CF would be more suitable for a bike at this price point / usage / aftercare but glad you like it, and they certainly seem to be well loved by their owners!

I like the idea of a "do it all" bike - just swap a couple of bits and forks etc. and you've gone from trail bike to enduro to DH.....

When you look at it like that the frame price doesn't seem too bad - 2 or 3 bikes in 1.....

When you look at it like that the frame price doesn’t seem too bad – 2 or 3 bikes in 1…..

So much N-1 (or N-2..) potential.

New G1 appeals to me. The 'problem' (if you can call it that) is my G16 is stilll too good to warrant replacing with a newer model, especally after a few tweaks to further improve things. It'd be a big investment to get into a G1 - new or old.

I like the new one, it's a nice evolution of the previous G1 and I kind of admire that they've doubled down on no water bottle or in-frame storage.

My dealings with them for EXT shocks have really impressed me. Very customer-focused and passionate about your riding experience.

They kindly offered to hook me up with an affordable used G1, but I ended up with my Bird Aeris 9 - which is a broadly similar frame in terms of angles, heft and adjustability.

'incorporating invaluable feedback'

So no-one asked for water during testing?

I kind of admire that they’ve doubled down on no water bottle or in-frame storage.

They do point out that it'll fit a YT Thirstmaster 2000 if you're ok with something relatively small (just shy of 500ml)

TomZesty
I don’t get alloy frames at this price point (unless it has a lifetime warranty) and design brief. As I understand it, if alloy cracks, it can’t really be repaired unlike steel, titanium and carbon fibre – plus it fatigues faster than those materials on average too. It’s the sort of price and brief that suggests people will keep it a long time – something I’m supportive of from both an environmental and value for money perspective – but if it cracks after the 5 year warranty, it’s basically scrap. Surely steel or CF would be preferable for this kind of bike? I think it’s a cool bike, but I wouldn’t want to fork out £3600 for it.

My G1 is coming up on 4 years old and hasn't needed new bearings yet.

Pat of me is really tempted by this, but it's impossible to justify when the frame I have is basically good as new

Pat of me is really tempted by this, but it’s impossible to justify when the frame I have is basically good as new

Same here...

It would be madness though, just to end up with almost the same bike.  I'm on two years with the bearings still perfect.

As it happens, I did my first mutator tweak a few days ago, going up from the shortest chainstay to the next one.  The bearings in there are still clean and smooth.  It's remarkable how much difference that 8mm increase in chainstay makes.

bedmakerFull

Same here…

It would be madness though, just to end up with almost the same bike

Although I did say the same about my G16..... this is how they get you