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Fresh Goods Friday 757: The Boxing Gears Edition

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Tell the world! Derailleurs are dead! Long live the belt! Well, that's what some folk are saying anyway.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 12:07 pm
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Ah man, I KNEW I should have taken another photo of my "anarchy in cutlery" this morning. It was a good one too...

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 12:57 pm
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"Moustache Clutch" is definitely taken from Roger's Profanisaurus

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:01 pm
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The Sonder looks... odd. There's something that my brain is not keen on and I don't know why.

Like the simplicity of the Fold n' Roll though, probably a better solution that my normal tactic of "cram everything in the bag and hope the creases shake out"

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:10 pm
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I keep reading the 'CLUTCH' on the top tube as 'CWTCH'. It's not the prettiest bike in the world is it, so probably needs a hug.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:14 pm
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Electric, gearbox, beltdrive, full suspension bike with the full on dog-curling-one-out top tube design, vs. a classic derailleur hardtail. I know which one I'd pick out of that pair every day of the week.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:27 pm
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Like the simplicity of the Fold n' Roll though, probably a better solution that my normal tactic of "cram everything in the bag and hope the creases shake out"

I'm still wondering why rolling clothes inside another layer means that they don't get wrinkled,  as per the undoubtedly 100% accurate sales blurb. Not sure why I'd need sharp lines in my duds when I'm bikepacking either. 😀 

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:29 pm
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Gearboxes make sense on electric bikes as they can be packaged with the motor but I am less convinced if I have to pedal.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:37 pm
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That clutch makes the new Haibike look handsome.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:41 pm
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Moustache should have called it the Crotch instead of Clutch.
That is what you'll be whacking on the unsightly top-tube hump when you make an unplanned dismount...

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 1:56 pm
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The Sonder looks... odd. There's something that my brain is not keen on and I don't know why.

I think it's the curve in the seat tube - or the wild idea of using Nobby Nic as a front tyre...

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 2:29 pm
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I wonder how well the Gates belt handles the power from the motor. When I was running one (more than 10 years ago) I could make it skip teeth on my singlespeed by putting in loads of power standing up.

I see they've had to add the guide pulleys to try and get better wrap around chainring/sprocket.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 3:04 pm
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Posted by: willard

The Sonder looks... odd.

At first I thought it looked neat. The trail bike with big wheels to replace my 27.5” Crush.

Then I looked again. Like @princejohn says there’s the seat tube curve, there’s the bend in the down tube, and, what jarred me, the top tube and seat stays are almost in a nice, clean line but not. 

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 3:42 pm
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Posted : 16/05/2025 4:40 pm
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That should be a thumbs up not a question mark!

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 4:41 pm
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Then I looked again. Like @princejohn says there’s the seat tube curve, there’s the bend in the down tube, and, what jarred me, the top tube and seat stays are almost in a nice, clean line but not. 

There is also this - surely the wheels should be central - that isn't a camera angle is it?image.png 

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 4:45 pm
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I find electric bikes with gearboxes a bit worrying. They give me the eebee geebees.
I'll get my coat.

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 5:13 pm
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There is also this - surely the wheels should be central - that isn't a camera angle is it?image.png 

Looks to me like the camera is one side of the seat tube.

 

 
Posted : 16/05/2025 8:45 pm
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I feel that it's that the top tube tapers gracefully to the seat tube only for the aesthetic to be ruined by the chunkiness of the seat stays on the other side of it.
Chunky top tube to stays of the same size, fine, chunky (or slender) top tube to thinner stays, also fine, skinny top tube to chunky stays, sick in mouth 🤮

I'm sure i remember a grey Kinesis frame that had a similar profile back in the dim and distant, might have been a Pha5e

 
Posted : 17/05/2025 2:05 pm
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Posted by: NewRetroTom

I wonder how well the Gates belt handles the power from the motor. When I was running one (more than 10 years ago) I could make it skip teeth on my singlespeed by putting in loads of power standing up.

I see they've had to add the guide pulleys to try and get better wrap around chainring/sprocket.

 

it should just be a matter of direct tension - dint they handle a lot more in automotive/motorbike use? You need the spring loaded front tensioner due to suspension growth and most added a small “snubber” at the back (they’ve gone for a large roller here). 

I love the idea. But I dread to think of the weight. - c800 battery, that frame design. Gearbox. It’s going to be heavy isn’t it? 

 

 
Posted : 19/05/2025 10:21 am
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A Gates belt slipping on a SS is probably due to frame flex, poss with some lack of tensioning. Gates have a spec for alignment and frame stiffness. The belt itself will handle SSer legs on a full fat e-bike no problem. 

 
Posted : 23/05/2025 11:36 am
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