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I've started using Mywoosh lately. Mostly because of the summer we had i paused Zwift a couple of times but somehow i ended up getting billed twice as you could only pause for 3 months, so in the end i cancelled. I assume i can go back to my previous account, but in truth i don't know and don't much worry if i need to start another.
But mywoosh is slightly underwhelming for me, it's not a great riding experience and it seems like the delay between power and watts/speed is somewhat irritating when you hit kickers and the power comes in really slowly when you power the watts.
The difference between the rider gaps irritates me too lots... you'll be 10s behind someone, then suddenly it's 30s, then 20s then 11s, then 30s as the terrain changes.
As a 'push pedals round on varying terrain' on a turbo, it's kinda OK... but i'm honestly feeling Zwift a bit more...
The Zwift pause option was always an odd one from my perspective, after cancelling your account will be exactly as it was, except some power numbers may no longer be in your 90-day best.
Not sure it has begun yet, just like the ZRS race pen allocation using your 30-day highest ZRS, but at some point ZRS decay is being reintroduced to this daft racing system.
The racing Cats in Zwift have been frustrating to me for a while. I'm right on the borderline of the 350-370 bracket but often I was in the 450-350 Cat because of this, which puts me against what would be decent B racers, who just crucify me.
If I then get a race where I can race Cs I'll do ok but get bumped 15-20 points back , that then takes 6-7 rubbish races to get back down.
I don't want or need to win races, but I want to survive 45s before being dropped lol.
I cancelled my Zwift subscription for almost a year while we were having an extension done and my Zwift set-up was in storage.
I just logged back in & got going again recently & all my stats etc. was there ready to go.
They sent me a free 2 months to get me going, which spurred me into action. There has been quite a lot of changes, but most of it is just fluff.
There were a couple of new route roll-outs which is quite nice as there's tons of new routes for me to tick-off.
I've not done a race yet as I am not very cycling fit at the moment and would get absolutely smashed 😄
I've not tried MyWhoosh.
You could try Training Peaks Virtual to see if it floats your boat. It’s better than Mywhoosh. Probably nowhere near as well subscribed as Zwift.
You could try Training Peaks Virtual to see if it floats your boat. It’s better than Mywhoosh. Probably nowhere near as well subscribed as Zwift.
Seems to be about the same price as Zwift... If i'm paying for it, i may as well pay for Zwift as it's a known quantity.
(But thanks for the idea)
Zwift definitely feels better and the racing is much closer just due to the far higher player count. Racing on MyWoosh feels very bot heavy. It's free and most of my riding on there is just using ERG mode so it doesn't feel worth spending the £18 a month on Zwift.
I've used Zwift, Training Peaks and MyWoosh. Last winter I used TP because I had a free membership carried over from when it was the 'free' version. MyWoosh is fine if I need something during the summer, without having to re-activate Zwift or TP. I've just got a Zwift cog (discount count from Elite) so I'll be going back to Zwift this winter.
For me, not much difference between the three, but I just sit there and ride for an hour. Very rarely do a race, but only on Zwift so far.
I think TP do a 'Free4all' day on the first Tuesday of each month so you can give it a go for free.
What races are you riding weeksy? You always like crits, yes?
The Zracing series is quite varied - but it does often have courses which might suit you. Have you seen it uses split categories ("range 1", "range 2")? So if you can wait an hour you can always choose the option which best suits your score - riding top/bottom/middle of the range some kind of variation is always open to you. When you're on a borderline, it means you can avoid the "hard" race for that score. You can't tell which race is which on zwiftpower, you have to click through to the entry screen to see.
I've just gone back to Zwift after trying MyWoosh during the summer. In short, MyWoosh is boring and I never felt compelled to ride.
Zwift isn't perfect but the numerous events, group rides etc. are well attended and with a sense of community are enough to make me get off my backside and sweat in the garage for an hour.
MyWhoosh is also a complete PITA with its updates - they're always obligatory, and you can't ride now / postpone update until later. (I appreciate that sometimes updates will have to be obligatory, but I refuse to believe that they're all that important...)
But, it is free. And if you're only doing maybe 1 session a week, Zwift is a bit pricey and not great VFM.
Thread hijack, abandoned Training Peaks as it's no longer free, signed up to Swift. Wanted to do a race, took an age of entering and being kicked out to find out which one didn't need a HRM....how can I tell beforehand?
Join zwiftpower.com it has comprehensive searchable listings, and filters - and lots of data.
Then you'll only ever have to go useless event pages (on zwift.com or in the app) once, to press enter.
EDIT - and if you are really into fine grained searching also try the events section on zwifthacks. You can filter by specific rules! But it's probably overkill really.
But mywoosh is slightly underwhelming for me, it's not a great riding experience and it seems like the delay between power and watts/speed is somewhat irritating when you hit kickers and the power comes in really slowly when you power the watts.
I thought the same, but wondered if it was deliberate. MyWhoosh maybe implementing a perfect F=ma version of physics, Zwift maybe adds a bit of a boost during accelerations to compensate for the fact that trainers flywheels don't offer enough resistance to match what your brain is telling you. Or maybe it's just my settings.
I've gone back to wahoo/sufferfest. I don't actually miss the 'virtual' bit as much as I thought.
wahoo/sufferfest have just put their prices up as well
MyWhoosh is also a complete PITA with its updates - they're always obligatory, and you can't ride now / postpone update until later. (I appreciate that sometimes updates will have to be obligatory, but I refuse to believe that they're all that important...).
The recent update might have fixed this as each world is now a separate download so you don't need to wait for all of them to finish before being able to ride.
I recently installed a wired internet connection all the way to the shed (and a 700Mbps fibre). What's this waiting for downloads you speak of?
My first world problem is now it's sat there waiting for me and I have to pause it while I faff 😂
wahoo/sufferfest have just put their prices up as well
This really irked me as while they do update the software and the footage occasionally, the core product is some 10-15 year old videos.
MyWhoosh is sportswashing, but I do like that fact it's free.
I’ve used MyWhoosh a few times thus summer after pausing Zwift. Only for training/workouts, not racing. It’s worked well for this purpose, given it’s free.
I'd be more than happy to use MyWhoosh but there's just never enough people signed up to the events. Last night I fancied doing a TT and there was a nice 10m at 8pm. Zero people signed up.
Zwift is boody expensive for someone like me who would only use it once a week, twice if I'm lucky. But you can be guaranteed to select an event with a decent amount of opposition
Zwift is boody expensive for someone like me who would only use it once a week, twice if I'm lucky.
is it though? that's between £4.50 a go if you do it once a week or £2.25 if twice. Bloody cheap if you ask me! Have you paid for a spin session/fitness class/yoga sesh/whatever lately?!
MyWoosh is fine if you're poor or terminally tight. But it's a bit shit really compared to Zwift. (plus the whole sportswashing thing!)
I found MyWhoosh a bit clunky, can't quite put my finger on it but Zwift seems a bit 'crap'.
Sticking with TPV as I'm a long time Premium subscriber anyway.
Slight hijack - anyone used Rouvy instead of zwift - I think I'd prefer the natual routes and don't think I'd be bothered about racing
Slight hijack - anyone used Rouvy instead of zwift - I think I'd prefer the natual routes and don't think I'd be bothered about racing
I've tried all the main ones and the one i've stuck with and enjoyed the most is Rouvy. The workouts and the the "just doing a route" experience are great. I wouldn't use it for racing though, i think Zwift has that element sewn up.
I'll aim to get back on my whoosh soon. Peter Sagan seems to be endorsing it on TV adverts (for cash I guess) so it must be ok? 🤔😉
If you are a British Cycling member you can get 40% off an annual Training Peaks subscription which makes it something like £8 a month to ride on their virtual platform. Next month they are rolling out GPXplore so you can create your own routes from GPX files. The ride physics is better than the other platforms and its easy to configure races and group rides and fill them up with AI riders if you want company when there are no humans around.
I don't get on the indoor trainer enough to justify Zwift's cost so just use MyWoosh and potter about in ERG mode. If I ever get around to entering events then I can see Zwift would be worth it
Slight hijack - anyone used Rouvy instead of zwift - I think I'd prefer the natual routes and don't think I'd be bothered about racing
Rouvy is pretty good. Similar issue to MyWhoosh, not enough competitors in the events. Rouvy also whacked their prices up to Zwift levels
Zwift is boody expensive for someone like me who would only use it once a week, twice if I'm lucky.
is it though? that's between £4.50 a go if you do it once a week or £2.25 if twice. Bloody cheap if you ask me! Have you paid for a spin session/fitness class/yoga sesh/whatever lately?!
MyWoosh is fine if you're poor or terminally tight. But it's a bit shit really compared to Zwift. (plus the whole sportswashing thing!)
When broken down it doesn't seem a lot and I will probably end up signing up begrudgingly for November-March. Still think 4.50 is a lot for a 10m TT. club TTs are pretty much that and you get a cup of tea and a pusher off 🤣
No idea on the prices of those classes but for them presumably a human is involved, a hall, maybe some equipment.
Couldn't care less about sport washing. If ethics are you thing you'd never do anything nowadays 😀
A cheeky thread highjack here: anyone recently upgraded their indoor kit and have got some bits hanging around in the way? 😉
I'm looking for a proper cheap set-up to use this winter to see if I want to commit to spending some more money. I've got a shed with decent wifi, an ipad and an old 'dale CAADX that I'd like to sit on and spin a couple of times a week so I guess I'm looking for a cheap smart trainer if anyone's got something?
Zwift is boody expensive for someone like me who would only use it once a week, twice if I'm lucky. But you can be guaranteed to select an event with a decent amount of opposition
I don't get on the indoor trainer enough to justify Zwift's cost so just use MyWoosh and potter about in ERG mode. If I ever get around to entering events then I can see Zwift would be worth it
Slight hijack - anyone used Rouvy instead of zwift - I think I'd prefer the natual routes and don't think I'd be bothered about racing
Not Rouvy, but I use the Tacx Training app. I'm not interested in racing and like just spinning along watching the real scenery. It has training sessions too, though you can't currently do them while watching a background video.
A friend of mine tried Rouvy for a couple of months and went back to Zwift for the more "sociable" feel of it.
If you are a British Cycling member you can get 40% off an annual Training Peaks subscription which makes it something like £8 a month to ride on their virtual platform. Next month they are rolling out GPXplore so you can create your own routes from GPX files. The ride physics is better than the other platforms and its easy to configure races and group rides and fill them up with AI riders if you want company when there are no humans around.
This does sound pretty appealing! Anyone using training peaks to build plans to train for cyclocross? Does it have things like yoga and strength training sessions it can incorporate?
I'm on Wahoo and was going to stick there until I'd finished the season and also ridden all the pro-race simulation vids. But price hike has led me to look at what else is out there
Just done a race on Woosh, wasn't too bad, i still think the dynamics are all wrong though as there's too much up/down when matching pace with another rider. I'm not sure if all my race competitors were real but if so then the 2 Chinese guys were just toying with us for 4 laps lol. They then went 6w/kg for ages and buggered off. I got dropped by my race mate, but i did set a new FTP of 229w which isn't terrible for where i am currently.
Mywoosh does not integrate with Strava or Garmin and as a consequence not with Apple either.
It connects with Strava but you need to do it via the website rather than the app.
This does sound pretty appealing! Anyone using training peaks to build plans to train for cyclocross? Does it have things like yoga and strength training sessions it can incorporate?
I've planned a fair few winters using TP, from base through to road race season. Really easy to build a workout in the calendar, you can cobble together your own plan or use the Annual Training Plan if you need periodisation/framework.
There's a new Strength workout builder that behaves similar to the bike workouts, you create the workout in the calendar then copy across to the next session making any progression tweaks as you go.
Your cycling workouts will be picked up directly in TPV under scheduled workout, once completed and saved the calendar will be populated with your data and given a compliance rating (red/amber/green) comparing planned against completed time/TSS
Not sure how this will work with strength but I guess it will follow a similar principle if you're uploading saved workout from your recoding device (Garmin watch etc)
Not seen anything specific for Yoga though I guess you could use the 'other' or maybe a custom field.
I take it the 25km free is no longer a thing with Zwift. It's been months since I last used it, I spent an age trying to get Zwift to work again the other night till I figured maybe trial is no longer a thing - there was no message to this effect when I fired it up.
Anyway in the meantime I installed MyWhoosh and apart from Microsoft Store not being clever enough to install the required DirectX at the same time it all seems to work well enough. I did notice that the inclines don't seem visually steep enough for the amount of resistance on the trainer. Zwift gives better visual cues that you on a slope maybe it is exaggerated but seems to work, anybody else notice this difference?
I take it the 25km free is no longer a thing with Zwift. It's been months since I last used it, I spent an age trying to get Zwift to work again the other night till I figured maybe trial is no longer a thing - there was no message to this effect when I fired it up.
Anyway in the meantime I installed MyWhoosh and apart from Microsoft Store not being clever enough to install the required DirectX at the same time it all seems to work well enough. I did notice that the inclines don't seem visually steep enough for the amount of resistance on the trainer. Zwift gives better visual cues that you on a slope maybe it is exaggerated but seems to work, anybody else notice this difference?
Yeah seems to have been removed from Zwift a couple of months back.
The visuals on the hills are pretty garbage on Woosh yeah, yesterday i was in a Velodrome for a bit of the Crit and it was going down at 5% but looked like it was going up still. The trainer doesn't always respond in the way i'd expect for the inclines either.
All of this is leading me to going back to Zwift.
Ive been using MyWhoosh for a while. And more now the free 25km for Zwift has been taken away.
My findings so far are the (IMO) MyWhoosh downloads were a real pain however they have sorted that with discrete area downloads which are a lot better.
There are quite a few worlds available, but half of them wont be available at any given time, so for that - it means that the Freeride (choose a route), there arent actually that many to choose from, and at the moment, ive done all the sensible ones and still have the crazy long/very high still to complete.
Zwift riding experience is better, i find that the routes, even climbing is more intuitive on Zwift than on MyWhoosh, and even to me (who likes a good climb), like for like the climbs seem a lot harder on MyWhoosh. Also as someone has noted above, the riding perspective isnt as good to show the inclines/descents. Also the in game map showing sprints/start/finish/other users arent as good either.
Its also VERY buggy. I did an Alula route a few weeks back and i was cycling the course at about 2000m above the course over the mountain tops.
I havent done any races
They have introduced a new thing with Zombies, where you outrun zombies at particular speeds in sectors (its a bit like interval training). I didnt last very long (14 minutes actually on easy setting) as the speed got much higher than i could manage! So wont be going near the Medium or Hard setting unless i get a significant increase in FTP......
Summary. Zwift is better, and i will use over the winter for the much better experience, more courses, better workouts, better racing experience etc. But for the summer and the odd ride indoors, i'll keep using MyWhoosh, as its free and exactly what i want for a 'ride in a simulated land' user experience.
I just can't get motivated by any of the virtual worlds, or racing come to that.
Trainer Day (I pay the $40 a year, but the free version is fine too) and some Netflix, an audiobook or music depending on the amount of blowing out of my arse the session is involving for me at least is not just cheaper but better for me.
But we are all different - duolingo actively puts me off learning a language and irritates me to irrational levels whilst others love it so I guess it's what floats your particular boat.
Currently using TD's heart rate mode (that gently uses some smart bike erg to keep to set specific heart rate goal) for some longer Z2 & netflix sessions.
Glad to hear MyWhoosh has at least partly sorted out the download thing - for my ancient laptop and crappy WiFi connection in the garage this is a major improvement.
is it though? that's between £4.50 a go if you do it once a week or £2.25 if twice. Bloody cheap if you ask me! Have you paid for a spin session/fitness class/yoga sesh/whatever lately?!
MyWoosh is fine if you're poor or terminally tight. But it's a bit shit really compared to Zwift. (plus the whole sportswashing thing!)
Yeah, but it's not just Zwift, is it? It's Zwift. And Netflix. And Amazon Prime. And Spotify. And... But yeah, the whole sportswashing thing isn't great and does put me off a bit.
Zwift is bloody expensive for someone like me who would only use it once a week, twice if I'm lucky.
is it though? that's between £4.50 a go if you do it once a week or £2.25 if twice. Bloody cheap if you ask me! Have you paid for a spin session/fitness class/yoga sesh/whatever lately?!
Not really a like for like comparison though is it? Your spin session has to pay electricity, rent, rates, insurance, heat, equipment rental, instructor wages, admin costs etc etc etc all split across the 20 people at the spin session. Zwift pays software developers, costs of hosting the software, sales, marketing, cost of running offices etc. but Zwift has thousands of subscribers, all of whom pay most of the costs associated with a spin session themselves (electricity, rent, rates, insurance, equipment......).
Used Zwift for 5+ years, dropped off Zwift after the price hike last year. I thought €140 a year was ok for what it is, but €200 is not. I can afford to pay it but just doesn't seem like a justifiable price to me (maybe I'm in the tight category 🙂 )
Have started back into Turbo trainer sessions now, using Mywoosh and it seems fine for the 1-2 times a week I use the Turbo. Very rarely did races on Zwift, just routes and workouts. Even using a Garmin as suggested above would meet 80% of my requirements.
is it though? that's between £4.50 a go if you do it once a week or £2.25 if twice. Bloody cheap if you ask me! Have you paid for a spin session/fitness class/yoga sesh/whatever lately?!
Apples to oranges though, PAYG gym use is very much the premium end of the market. Hardly anyone pays for individual classes or PT sessions Vs the vast majority who just turn up and train or attend classes at their gym.
Zwift:
I have to buy the bike, the turbo, the shed, the TV, the laptop, everything.
And it's £17.99/month
Spin class:
The gym provides everything for the spin class, and more kit than I'm ever likely to utilize.
And it's £22.99 (PureGym)
There's obvious upsides to zwift that the sessions are probably better thought out and more specific. But equally there's ways to 'cheat' a spin class to get more out of it (e.g. ignore the 'pyramids' that the instructors seem to love and just treat them as consistent intervals).
But an even more obvious upside to the gym that the spin is effectively free if I think of weights sessions as a bargain £1 each (or weights are free if I think of spin as £2.50)
Or there's the "free" option, most people have a Garmin, and I've resolved to actually dig into it's features more because it should be easy enough to create some boring but consistent sessions. After all when you actually look at the structure of most Zwift/MyWhoosh/Sufferfest plans there's really only 1 or at most 2 specific sessions a week. The rest of the plan is just recovery rides and normal outdoor clubruns. Most people could read the important bits of Allen & Coggans book and figure out what they need to do to test themselves and come up with what that 1 or 2 sessions a week should look like how they should progressively overload.
Give it a few years and it'll all make an interesting case study of subscription Vs enshitification business models. I still think there must be a Fortnite / PUBG / CS:GO business model to be explored (make it free, but the Tron bike or late's S-works skin is going to cost you) or a more standard computer game pricing model (the initial download is £50, and then new worlds are paid DLC). But as an outsider I can't see how Zwift's pricing works, what are they actually doing that cost's them £17.99 a month given that all the heavy lifting is done on your machine, the server at Zwift is just aggregating and distributing players data.