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Ok cheers Robbo, sage advice!
Change your tag @scaredypants!
Everything else is set I think.
Have a good ride.
Yeh, thanks. Just in from work and done now.
Time to slip into something less comfortable !
Sorry for poor communication savoyad. I should be back too it next week. Have a good ride boys.
Great first time guys! Couldn't hear anyone from just past the half-hour mark so apologies if you were trying to communicate with me. And apologies for the outrageous super gravity 😀
great ride for your first one Gav - you must've done plenty of zwifting before, you were right in the bunch (gravity-moments aside !)
Sorry to lose you Haloric - we (well, I) couldn't hear what was wrong
Good effort. I could hear you all the way Gav. The super gravity actually helps the team, dragging us all downhill behind you! Think that’s the first time in a TTT we’ve actually got off the line together, and there was 8 of us. Shame to lose Ant though. Nicely done all.
Thanks to the STW boys for cajoling us around tonight. It was definitely a hard course to stick together on but we all did well. Great first ride Gav - I enjoyed the 20 secs of techno;) It was an interesting insight into team STW. You must be a formidable outfit with your first 7-8 riders👍
Lol as long as the music got through! Sorry if you had to listen to any disturbing heavy breathing too 😀 good course as the surges were quite short so it wasn't too hard to stick together?
Tougher than it looks that course!
Thanks for the ride. Jack is dead but sends his deepest love also.
I was just working too hard for my fitness level, was continually in the red, and as we were only half way round decided to call it. I cruised round to the finish. Looking at the intervals.icu also looks like there was no interval.
I've done very little on the bike other than the Tue/Thur events due to RL these days, so not getting core fitness up or weight down. I've really got to buckle down and start under reporting my weight.
Discord comms seemed a bit up the spout after I dropped out, couldn't seem to get anyone to hear me although it was a bit academic at that point.
Discord comms seemed a bit up the spout after I dropped out, couldn’t seem to get anyone to hear me
I could hear you but it sounded a bit like you were using a baked bean tin and a piece of string rather than a mic 😉 (all along, actually). (Mind, I've no idea what I sound like - it's a shame dscord doesn't offer to play you back to yourself as a check)
Two entries are in for this week. Watopia Figure 8. Thursday 7.40pm
Enter category A here: https://www.zwift.com/events/view/1833050
This is a more predictable course to ride than last week. The TTT will also be much more fun than @robbo1234biking's Tuesday night race (an ITT!) this week.
I'll try and allocate teams as soon as I get a good sense of who is riding. So get signed up asap.
Entry done back in this week
I might be in this week. Most of my normal squad don't fancy two ttt's in a week. Just waiting to see if I've been placed in another group.
Bump. roll up, roll up.
We are on 8, maybe 9, riders. That's the worst possible turnout. (We'd have to send @nixie packing!)
Anyone else want to join in so we get to two teams?
Join category A here: https://www.zwift.com/events/view/1833050
All welcome.
been taking a breather for a couple of weeks but I'm in!
I'm definitely available if there was a space. If not no worries.
Some DS notes here (think this Haloric's friend?)
Signed up.
Thought I’d signed up...I have now!
I'm in! Just about recovered from last week
^ Get this guy on the front for the descents 😉 @robbo1234biking or @phil56
^ Don’t think this guy has a choice. The mega gravity forces him to the front anyway.
Excellent, two teams for tomorrow:
STW
@phil56
@paino
@nixie
@munkeymadness
@karnali
@scaredypants
MoreSTW
@speedstar
@drew
@slowpuncheur
@haloric
@zilog
@robbo1234biking
Jack
Start delays etc to follow
These are a bit provisional, there's still space for latecomers (cat A https://www.zwift.com/events/view/1833050). But they should be stable enough for tactical plans to be developed etc.
OK - I'm dead ! 😂
Haha I honestly didn't have to try much at all 🙂 Should be interesting tomorrow!
For STW tomorrow what does everyone think about taking set pull lengths where we can, say 30-60 seconds depending on rider strength and calling next in 15s when ready for a change.
Have signed up, but if teams are full happy to miss out.
Still space for you @w00dster (assume the fancy new bike doesnt go on the turbo!)
Haha, new bike is not on the turbo!
There’s a thread on WW where the same frame as mine has been cracked while on a TACX Neo.
@w00dster there's definitely space for you. Assuming you still prefer riding with MoreSTW, just take that last spot.
@mbs, @yanboss, @trolo1234, [others!] - there are two spots remaining after w00dster.
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This will be the pulls/order for MoreSTW if all are ahppy with it - we will blob on the hills around haloric with w00dster covering the back. Work together though - if you need a rest period then just ask to miss a pull (btw @drew you are far too polite when asking to miss a turn!)
Overtakes - I will lead through with w00dster covering the back. once everyone is through revert to the pull order. If we can on the plateau section on the reverse KOM we will try and organise some pulls but we only go over it once so dont worry too much.
@slowpuncheur is overtaking monitor again.
Looking forward to it!
Start delays:
STW +11.5 minutes
MoreSTW +4 minutes
Looks good to me! I see STW are suggesting following our rotation policy now. They were clearly impressed by us MoreSTWers in the mixed team last week;)
Rotation is how we run in BRT. Not fixed like your setup but calling your name when you feel recovered enough as taking the next pull out one after it. I think it helps knowing who should be out front as otherwise you can end up falling over each other.
Yeah. Happy to run with that.
Can't see me going off the front at all, up against all you grown-ups
As last time (Phil), but even more so - I fancy trying to hold you lot as long as I can but if you're all riding as your numbers suggest you can, I will likely not make it much past the first climb (if that). Again as before, it won't ruin my ride AT ALL if I'm dropped and I'd argue that it'd ruin all of yours if I'm not. Honest, I'm happy with that. You look like a mighty strong team and you could go really well
This is where I got the spreadsheet that I use for MoreSTW. If you want I am happy to input the numbers for STW - let me know (I think I have most of the data from the Tuesday night race series).
https://zwiftinsider.com/how-to-ds-a-ttt/
Having scaredypants as draft only is a valid strategy as it still helps the team move faster.
We work it so I call out the name and the length of time of the pull. You memorise the person in front of you in the pull rotation and once there name is called you know you have 30 to 60 seconds until your turn on the front. Requires little forethought then and I just have a print of the race order in front of me to do the calls.
👍
@scaredypants not everyone needs to pull. I often don't and can't when in a team with A+ riders. Just hanging on is hard enough. Hanging in does increase the pack speed though. Try to hide in the middle as much as you can where it is easiest.
@robbo1234biking thanks for the link. I was thinking a bit more informal than your pace line. The key thing is trying to avoid 2 behind slider on the front and both having to go hard instead of just one. It is a waste of effort.
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This is what I would suggest with each pull at 370w. Happy to change that but you will potentially burn out the riders at the back if you go any higher. Its only a target so aim for +/- 10w. 30 seconds at 130% FTP should be doable with recovery as it is a little over VO2 threshold but only for a short time.
Phil should be able to cover any gaps still. This will hopefully keep scaredy fresh(ish) to attack the two hills at 4.2 w/kg as they are pretty short bursts.
We dont have a pace line behind the front it is still a blob/lollipop so still fairly informal just means that only one person should be working hard on the front.
EDIT: Didnt see your update message Nixie - ignore if you want! You are a really well balanced team so if you can keep scaredy at the back and then push on the hills you will be very quick.
Hi All - I've signed up for the race this evening.
Thanks Rob. Interesting to see the numbers none the less. I hadn't seen your reply when I posted mine 😃. Very valid point about burning others out by going to hard, better to go a bit less but for longer.
Few tags need updating:
@speedstar - add (MoreSTW) to your name in ZP
Change your tags to (STW)
Cheers
Done. Looking forward to it now!
Tags are good, except @mbs.
Start delays reminder:
STW +11.5 minutes
MoreSTW +4 minutes
This is a great TTT course, I think it's its first appearance in this direction. Nice long start to get going, two distinct difficulties with a nice gap between them. Enjoy.
@trolo1234, @yanboss: if either of you want to ride, there's a space which you will fit into on STW. Speak up though so you don't both try to squeeze into it...
Sadly away with work so can't join the fun. Will just have to eat takeaway till I feel sick to get that Thursday night feeling.
Good luck all
On waing up my hip is alittle unhappy see how it goes but don't wait if I drop off
Stream from STW effort;
Well done MoreSTW. Was pleased with that we paced nicely for the first 2/3s. Shame zilog had tech issues. Got a little disjointed as we got tangled with teams in the second half but overall I think it went well.
Sorry I was quite scrappy tonight STW. Couldn't get the right pull power dialed in so was bouncing around too much. All those overtakes were great fun 😃.
Yeah sorry about that, was gutted! My own fault, first ride with all sensors paired to ATV (replacement HR strap only arrived today!), should’ve tested first. Everything seemed to work,then I paired with my headset for Discord in the pen, about a minute to go noticed everything else had dropped out! So got it all re-paired, but then had no Comms (managed to do first pull just by keeping an eye on Ant!) Stupidly re-paired headset and then obviously power dropped out 😭 Weirdly it kept me at 214W no matter what I was doing (even when I stopped pedalling) - was tempted just to leave it running to rack up XP & pick up the 100 miler achievement 😂
Same as Nixie...bit scrappy from my part too. Was having a problem with comms though. I could hear Phil well, but Nixie and Ian really broken so wasn’t sure if you guys were going up etc. Sorry if the pulls were too much, think my acceleration needs to be steadier to get to the front as I found myself either getting stuck second wheel or gaping second place by a second or so! Did find Martin V kept appearing in the void that I’d left though! Top work.
Tail of 2 laps really, sorry to drop Martin, but the speed on lap 2 was rapid. More passes than a crap Mastermind contestant.
Thanks - happy to have stayed in the bunch until 3k to go, thanks for waiting on the hill, I rolled in to the finish.
I was using different headset comms this week, hope I sounded a bit clearer to those that could hear.
Never seemed to get much rest other than the downhill, but I guess a ttt is not the place for rest.
Ant, here’s my intervals pic. Was a nice course for me, benefit of being light means I get to relax on the climbs.
Ooof - been a tough week for me. Hit an 18-month high FTP on Tuesday in the Robbo TT and then was 1 watt below that today (sorry for slacking !). I would say that I'll sleep well tonight bit I sleep like shit after a lateish ride
Thanks to the STW boys for waiting up. Sorry we lost you Martin
I do. Entries for two teams are in. It's 2 laps of Greater London Flat. Again (!). 7.40pm Thursday.
Enter category A here: https://www.zwift.com/events/view/1866454
Did we do this a couple of weeks ago? In any case already heading London tomorrow night on the MTBs!
We last did it in February, and beforehand in December. Something odd is happening (it has been listed as "reverse" some of these times, which doesn't even exist). Never mind, it's a good fast TTT course anyway.
Hi all, especially any newcomers following the link from the race thread.
We are on 12 riders for tomorrow 7.40pm at the moment. Others are very welcome to join. It's a good week if you like riding in London.
Enter category A here https://www.zwift.com/events/view/186645 4'll post teams ASAP.
In!
I've joined as well as it looked like there was space.
Teams for tomorrow, hopefully won't need reshuffling. Still space for a couple more:
STW
@munkeymadness
@phil56
@nixie
@paino
@scaredypants
@rj2dj
@mbs
MoreSTW
@drew
@haloric
Jack
@robbo1234biking
@zilog6128
@w00dster
@slowpuncheur
I'll post start delays when they appear, and confirm (incl any changes) tomorrow. Enjoy.
Cheers @Savoyad. I’m not sure mbs will appreciate another outing with STW though...especially as Nixie is back in the fold!
For MoreSTW - is everyone happy to carry on doing pre-determined length pulls? Happy still to still keep doing it if everyone wants to?
Mbs signed up very promptly for this week and I did wonder if it was try to avoid this outcome.
Fine by me Rob, it seems to work pretty well. Hopefully I’ll avoid the spectacular blow up I experienced on Box Hill on Tuesday evening.
I wondered what happened to you drew - you were with our group and I assumed you were back 30 seconds or so on the hill but noticed in the results you had dropped down a fair way!
Yes, @karnali, join STW. I will post full revised lineups at some point!
MoreSTW is now full. There's still space for one more A or B (or a brave C) in STW.
As we have done this course 4 weeks ago we have a good benchmark to aim for and beat this week! The team might even be the exact same. I’ll double check later.
Team confirmation, and start delays (someone doesn't like us this week!). In the pen by 19:40, then...
STW, start delay 18.5 minutes
@munkeymadness
@phil56
@nixie
@paino
@scaredypants
@rj2dj
@karnali
MoreSTW, start delay 20 minutes
@drew
@haloric
Jack
@robbo1234biking
@zilog6128
@w00dster
@slowpuncheur
@mbs
It's an espresso / latte split again this week.
It might be time to change our signup process / sequence to get in the right pens. I'm nearer a spreadsheet than ever...
I don't think there's a case for splitting the A's so we ride 2x frappes, even occasionally, because that mixes our As and Cs up, and I think people prefer to avoid that. But if I'm wrong, someone tell me.
@robbo1234biking I'm happy to continue as per normal and to do overtaking duties. We dropped the target wattage on the front last week. What do we think on this course?
I think keep wattage the same. We are still burning through people towards the end so don’t think it is right to increase it yet.