[Closed] YT Capra or Cotic Rocket? Or...?

"late summer...."

Unless it was tied down to a month.. I rekon it could be later summer 2016.

I've always hankered after a [url= https://www.canyon.com/en/mountainbikes/series/strive-cf.html ]Canyon Strive[/url] but the Capra is difficult to look past.

I'm looking at similar options at the moment but in terms of a spec I want for the price I'm finding it hard to look past [url= http://www.evanscycles.com/products/norco/range-alloy-71-2015-mountain-bike-ec073029 ]this Norco[/url] from Evans.

My take on it is that the Capra is 'more bike' than the Rocket.
The rocket is a modern tough trail bike somewhere in between a Solo and Bronson imo (maybe even more solo), whereas the Capra is more like a Nomad in terms of suspension feel and intent.

Obviously the weight of the Capra Carbon will compare pretty well with the Rocket, but weight is only one part of the story.

There are a million other bikes to consider. The Bird Aeris is the one I went for after riding lots (I think March/April availability for new orders). Still to get my hands on mine though to give a thorough appraisal.

My take on it is that the Capra is 'more bike' than the Rocket.
The rocket is a modern tough trail bike somewhere in between a Solo and Bronson imo (maybe even more solo), whereas the Capra is more like a Nomad in terms of suspension feel and intent.

Capra definitely more bike than the Rocket. Rocket is a 'bigger' bike than the Bronson - longer, lower and slacker and I'd expect a 27.5 version to be moreso.

I ended up with a Spitfire after my Rocket order was delayed and I couldn't be happier with it:

http://brightonmtb.org/2015/01/31/a-review-banshee-spitfire-v2/

Fanboy as I am, I'd not be counting on getting a Rocket until they actually exist. Cy won't be intentionally over-promising or anything but deadlines do slip. And we don't know exactly what form the new version will take either.

Lower priced Capra's are 160 and can't be beaten price wise. AL2 at less than 2k is great vfm

Rocket is a 'bigger' bike than the Bronson - longer, lower and slacker and I'd expect a 27.5 version to be moreso.

Earliest you will be able to get a Capra is June at the moment, I think.

Rocket would be later, so not that bad in that respect.

Some Capras are in stock, depending on size. Change the colour option where there is one and the date will change.

YT desperately need an XL Capra - I know several folks who were keen but the bikes just aren't big enough.

anyone remember #26aintdead

Such a high to see the promise of it coming back, such a low to see they've given in to demand and us 26ers will have to buy new kit for this

Yes and it was appropriate for then (2013).
Only they will know how many they sell versus 27.5
If it's not economically viable, what do you want them to do?

AS
I know, I don't want to be negative that's the way it's moved and they'd be daft not to just find it funny that all of there range are moving away from 26 after they coined #26aintdead

What about the on one codine 650b frame ment to be in around spring time?
Worth a thought.

So what should I do?

If it was me, I would buy a bike that was in stock so I could ride it now. Not sometime in the distant future.

Love my Rocket, but it's the "old, proper" wheel size.

I'm sure the new flavour will be just as good.

Thanks very much for the help and thoughts!

Taxi 25- ordinarily I too would be up for buying what's available now, but I'll need to spend some time saving anyway. That said, I'm planning to visit Fort Bill in July, so I'd like to have it before then!

The Spitfire is clearly widely loved, and the 26/27.5" adjustable wheel size is an intriguing idea.

That Aeris sounds like it could be a good bet too... Didn't know there was a 27.5" Codeine in the pipeline, but I guess not surprised.

I'm a Cotic fan, so in a way I'd love the Rocket option to work. If the Aeris is as good and comparable, it could be the way to get a great build on a great bike for sub-£3k...

Tim Raven- I'm not necessarily wedded to the idea of 26" wheels. Just never tried them, and most of what I've read seems to say there's not a massive difference. So if anyone's got a 26" Rocket to sell...

[url= http://www.westbrookcycles.co.uk/giant-reign-27-5-2-full-suspension-mountain-bike-2015-p258618?gclid=Cj0KEQiAvKunBRCfsum9z6fu_5IBEiQAu4lg4r506st7leVk4IA6Bnd6l92QgBlDsj52dAS9HqH_HHMaApHa8P8HAQ ]This[/url] is a serious bike in any of these discussions.

You may as well get the Capra or something else available sooner. Who knows if the new Rocket will be any good? It has not been made yet.

If I were you I'd get a bike now then have a look at a Rocket in a year or two after it's been released, tested and proven.

The Reign is a contender, but at that price point, compared to a Capra AL2 or Strive, it is a bit heavy and much if the kit is a level below SLX vs Xt for example. However, you can buy from a dealer rather than direct and Giants have an excellent warranty.

A friend of mine has been going through exactly the same consideration for a £2k bike in the 160mm travel region, we looked at the Reign, Capra, Strive, Rose Granite Chief 2 and Cube Stereo 160. He is getting a Capra in June.

Thanks JimW. Gives me some context - I'm a bit out of the FS loop! My last one was a 1999 Patriot.

Chestrockwell- inclined to agree. I don't have a FS at all just now.

I am pondering the same dilema. Still no official date on the XL Capra so the Riegn or the Strive is top of the list at the moment.

Transition patrol?

Orbea Rallon?

I've just been reading Rocket updates. Realistically, that's your next-but-one bike. "[i]Rockets are definitely in our future[/i]" doesn't sound much like a delivery date!

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such a low to see they've given in to demand

Commencal V4 AM. Now they're direct sales they have some great specs at good prices. Fits everything you describe.

Wanted a Rocket for a long time. Was on the list for a long time. Still want one but not holding my breath. Got this instead and am more than happy with it in the role you're after.

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Having said that, riding buddy has a Capra and loves it.

Rickos - thanks, the Commencal definitely looks like it belongs on the list - right price for great spec, and sounds like the frame does what it should. And at the price (similar to the Bird Aeris) I could just about get the frame and do a full Hope build with RS Pike/Monarch for a total of £3k.

Colournoise - Orange Alpine does look beeyootiful, but how does the suspension feel? I had a Patriot and felt the suspension was a bit wallowy. I put that down to the single pivot location at the time. It was 1999 though, maybe it's working better on the Alpine 16 years on! Shocks have evolved a lot etc etc. Although it's about another £1k.

Another vote for the YT there too. One thing that does concern me a little is the E13 wheels it comes with - there have been reports of the hubs breaking, and I wouldn't have the option of speccing a different wheel. r is this something that's now been sorted?

Hmmm...

Realistically, that's your next-but-one bike. "Rockets are definitely in our future" doesn't sound much like a delivery date!

Sadly I think you're right there.

Gaaahh! Darrenspink that Transition looks good, especially with its 4 bar. Perhaps a bit slack in the head angle - ideally I'd like to use it as a trail bike as well as chucking around. Have you got/ridden one? Good price though. I'm going to the US in May so picking one up there might be an option.

I have the 26" Rocket and love it. My mate who ride with has just ordered a Capra. Its in stock and should be in in next 12 days apparently.

I know It wont be a completely fair comparison as one is 26" and one 27" but will certainly report back after having ridden them both.

AS
I know, I don't want to be negative that's the way it's moved and they'd be daft not to just find it funny that all of there range are moving away from 26 after they coined #26aintdead

It was only ever gonna be #26aintdead until all the 26" stock is sold

Except that they've restocked 26 inch frames since then 😆

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Except that they've restocked 26 inch frames since then

that'll be why they are still pushing the 26" adverts then, gosh darned commitments to purchase!

Still “pushing” the #26aintdead ad/video mostly because it's fun!

You probably find if your read Singletrack that Cotic adverts for bikes of all three wheel sizes appear in the mag, with 29er and 275 ads appearing just as often as the 26 ones. And the website homepage features all three pretty equally as well. “Pushing” bikes of all wheel sizes.

BFe 26 has been through several new colour options since that #26aintdead video was done. Real shame more Rocket 26 weren't made, but heh… let's move on.

Capra with 170mm forks does look like “more” bike than the Rocket… if they ever increase the reach on the Capra they'll find it even harder to keep up with demand! Very popular for grin making. Hard to argue about the spec on them at the prices as well.

The Alpine is my first FS, but doesn't feel 'wallowy' to me. I do run it quite stiff on the rear though.

Reckon even basic shocks (I have the CTD) are good enough now to counteract the downsides of a single pivot. Feels bottomless downhill and climbs better than my old hardtail even when left in 'trail'.

So it climbs well? Good to know. Orange don't exactly push it as being good at the uphills, they seem keenest to impress one with downhill prowess.

My dilemma has just got worse. Having decided in my ignorance that the Transition and the Spitfire, being from US and Canadian makers, would be a bit remote, I've just discovered that they're both stocked by a cool shop here in Edinburgh I didn't even know about. Rude not to drop in.

You cannot compare new Transition with a Orange. One is based on fresh design, the other is a recently hashed together update incorporating the latest trends but the same old tired suspension philosophy.

Oh come on, the Horst link isn't that bad 🙂

You cannot compare new Transition with a Orange. One is based on fresh design, the other is a recently hashed together update incorporating the latest trends but the same old tired suspension philosophy.
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Oh come on, the Horst link isn't that bad

LOLZ

OP, not tried the Patrol but have ridden the Scout which was marvellous. In Darren's dream world I would have both, in reality the Patrol would be too much for most of my riding.

Darrenspink - hmm, interesting.

I ride Scottish trail centers a lot, especially GT and Innerleithen. I want to spend more time on rocky places like Golspie and Laggan, and handle DH courses like Fort Bill - though very much on a non competitive level. I do go on longer XC trail rides too.

I'd like the bike I do get to be able to cover at least most of that ideally. If it can't do everything then the priority is the gnarlier, even DH lite type stuff. Which I have already tackled on my On One Ti 456 hard tail, but clearly bounce would help considerably.

In that light, would the Scout be up my alley?

I think one thing I like so much about the Spitfire is that 140mm on the back with a CCDBA is so controlled but never wallowy or dull whilst 160mm up front lets you charge into things, especially as in the slack setting you've got a sub 66 degree head angle. And in the steep setting it feels much more like a spritely trail bike and less an enduro winch-and-plummet bomber.

I think you are going to really benefit from riding at least a couple of these bikes (spitfire/scout/patrol for eg).

It will tell you a lot about what you're after.

You cannot compare new Transition with a Orange. One is based on fresh design, the other is a recently hashed together update incorporating the latest trends but the same old tired suspension philosophy.

Why is a fresh design better? There's been loads of 'fresh designs' over the period Orange have been refining theirs that were classed as the greatest thing ever at the time but have been forgotten long ago.

Of course you can compare them but the only way to do that properly is to test them.

Oh come on, the Horst link isn't that bad

LOL. 😆

Oh dear.

Surely the Transition and Orange are both proof that long-established suspension designs can still be relevant and competitive with the right geometry and dampers?

Alex Simon - deffo, testing is going to show me a lot, especially since I've not ridden a FS for over 10 years and am no doubt still lugging around my impressions/prejudices from then.

Chiefgrooveguru - see what you mean. The Scout being 140mm travel too, I'm starting to think that could be more me. Could be between that and the Spitfire. I don't need a bike that can do massive drops to flat - I'd like to do the World Cup course at Fort Bill, but whatever bike I'm on I won't be racing and I'll take the chicken runs on the fat air sections.

Concept-wise, I like the Spitfire's adjustability a lot.

Chiefgrooveguru - see what you mean. The Scout being 140mm travel too, I'm starting to think that could be more me. Could be between that and the Spitfire. I don't need a bike that can do massive drops to flat - I'd like to do the World Cup course at Fort Bill, but whatever bike I'm on I won't be racing and I'll take the chicken runs on the fat air sections.

Concept-wise, I like the Spitfire's adjustability a lot.

Yes, the Scout is a similar but scaled down concept - 125mm out back, 140mm forks, and not as slack as the Spitfire. I know the designer Keith has ridden Fort Bill on his Spitfire (but at a slower pace than on his Legend DH bike!)

CGG- sorry, yes, 125mm. Warming to the idea of long front/short chainstay/mega-short stem geometry being applied to the slightly shorter travel. Cost's a factor - the Spitfire's another £360 for the frame. Though that could be worth digging down the back of the sofa for if it's betterer enough.

ridden the Scout which was marvellous

would the Scout be up my alley?

/me puts a rocket back on the "possible" list. Hope black is back on the menu?