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Here they are:
[url= http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/YT-Industries-Opens-North-America-Oceania-Markets-and-Launches-2015-Range,301 ]http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/YT-Industries-Opens-North-America-Oceania-Markets-and-Launches-2015-Range,301[/url]
thoughts? - Unreal prices still there, pity they didn't change wheels, Pro Race looks interesting, will probably order one, - pity they kept the skinny mavics though
Link doesn't work? Did vital post too early? What were the highlights and what were the 2015 Capras like (colours?)
Yeah looks like Vital may have jumped the gun! Link not working. I'm guessing by OP's comments that the cheaper Capras are still coming with the dodgy E13 wheels and the pro with the crossmax enduros. I was expecting a change of wheels for all the Capra range with the top end one going with the more suitable crossmax enduro xl's. I doubt they will lose sales though.
Link works here
Link works fine for me too
Still bargainous !
I've a feeling vital jumped the gun a bit alright, there are no links to it yet on their site,
Paste this into your browser, it still works for me
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Baby blue pro, Black and white comp 1 or red comp 2
They've got it spot on with the colours this year, Shame they didn't lengthen the TT and lose the E13 wheels though
Link works fine for me.
Alu Capra for the masses, surely that will sell like hotcakes. Paint job maybe looks a bit cheap?
I like the new colours on the carbon capra though - especially the Yeti (ish) Blue!
Slightly disappointed there's no real change / update to the carbon capra. I was hoping for bottle cage mounts but I don't think I am necessarily representative of their target market.
They've put the price up by €200 on the top model with no real spec boost - Unless you particularly like the new colours, I'd save money and go for the old one I think.
Either way, if you've just ordered one I doubt you'll be too gutted.
Frame was always going to stay the same, - cost of changing carbon moulds/process so soon is just too high.
TTL works for a lot of people, depending on your height.
Agree about the wheels, although, the word is that e-13 have changed all their bearings and seals just in the last month.
Can you buy the capra anywhere on interest free credit?
They've put the price up by €200 on the top model with no real spec boost - Unless you particularly like the new colours, I'd save money and go for the old one I think.
Top model has newer FCV BOS forks at 160mm, carbon bars, diff tyres, apex stem.
Not sure how much better the FCV forks would be though.
YT signed the tallest feeerider on the circuit and still don't do an XL! For that reason I'm oot!
hmmm interesting. Can't see the link, it's all been taken down I think. Can someone who saw them tell me the colours and rough spec of the Pro Race (or whichever one has BOS suspension) please? Many thanks!
Text is still available here;
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KK66R4aVQnUJ:www.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/YT-Industries-Opens-North-America-Oceania-Markets-and-Launches-2015-Range,301+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari
Can someone who saw them tell me the colours and rough spec of the Pro Race (or whichever one has BOS suspension) please?
I think there are now two with BOS. The equivalent to the old and the one with the higher spec FCV 160 forks. There was a grey with yellow graphics IIRC.
cheers! I must get better at the internet in 2015...
cant open any of the photos
cant anyone put up the photos?
One of my riding friends will be dissapointed, he was hoping they were going to make them a proper size this year.
This all despite another who's got one & had 2 separate cracks on it & not had a bike he can ride for months at a time 🙄
likewise, look good value, and get good reviews, possibly a bit fragile for a long travel hard hitting bike...
also lack of big enough sizes means its not a problem for me, and Id be looking at canyon for a CF enduro bike....
This all despite another who's got one & had 2 separate cracks on it & not had a bike he can ride for months at a time
Yes, because no other bike brand in history has ever suffered a cracked model 🙄
Were the TT lengths identical to 2014?
Did anyone see the Capra Origin AL models? Were they different to the old aluminium models?
Neither links work for me...anyone save any of the specs or images?
All I can see now, is low-res google cache images:
At the top here:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vital+yt+launch+2015&biw=1055&bih=1040&source=lnms&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr:d&sa=X&ei=GRzCVKPbK8bP7Qa65YDwCQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#q=vital+yt+launch+2015&tbm=isch&tbas=0&imgdii=_
text about the capra pro:
The Capra CF was a monumental success for YT in 2014, so as expected, no significant changes have been made to the 2015 bike. The frame stays exactly the same, but sees the introduction of new colorways (now 7 in total), spread out over the 4 models available. At the top of the line we find a new "Pro Race" model, which features the FCV version of the BOS Deville fork @ 160-mm travel, carbon Fatbar from Renthal, and Mavic's Crossmax Enduro wheels. The claimed weight for a size S without pedals is 12.9kgs. The whole Capra CF line moves to SRAM's new Guide brake, and will roll out on Maxxis HR2 instead of last year's Continental Trail Kings.
Yes, because no other bike brand in history has ever suffered a cracked model
Protective Snapra owner? 😛
Not quite the bargain he hoped it would be, after selling the E13 wheels which also fell apart & having buy something else...
Protective Snapra owner?Not quite the bargain he hoped it would be, after selling the E13 wheels which also fell apart & having buy something else...
Its well known that there were tolerance problems with the mech hanger, - the chainstays have been redesigned. All new models have the redesigned ones and YT are replacing any existing ones promptly.
Basically, its down to teething problems that are now sorted.
No 29ers/shorter travel trail bikes still?
Its well known that there were tolerance problems with the mech hanger, - the chainstays have been redesigned. All new models have the redesigned ones and YT are replacing any existing ones promptly.Basically, its down to teething problems that are now sorted.
Yes, that was one of his cracking issues. The other was the front triangle, around the linkage.
He's since found other people who have found cracks around the head tube too, along with others who have complained about cracks around the BB area.
This one of the new ones?
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This one of the new ones?
Thats the demo version from last year, - but the Pro Race version looks almost exectly like that, - forks are 160mm though.
Protective Snapra owner
Nope
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Here you go, pro race, 170,160mm
Poor tyre alignment - I'm out 🙂
Looks like the Alu Capra models are going to be awesome. Great specs and prices, I'll have to get saving.
Under £2k for this seems like a bargain for all the bike I could want.
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That Origin Al 1 does look good.
They missed an opportunity to lengthen the reach though.
Unlike the new 'budget' Nomad at least the budget Capra is an actual bargain, sub 2k for either of the origin models is a steal, I should imagine they'll sell by the truckload.
If you buy a Giant Reign from Europe it's cheaper and has some lesser components but better back up.
He's since found other people who have found cracks around the head tube too, along with others who have complained about cracks around the BB area.
Its a mass produced product, there will be some that fail....try Googling 'snapped/cracked frame' followed by any manufacturer name you like, Spesh, Banshee, Giant etc etc....what comes up are thread after thread on this forum, MTBR, Bikeradar, Pinkbike etc about issues with the particular manufacturer or frame you've just searched for.
In fact try it for just about anything you like, even supposedly premium products....Google iPhone problems and loads will come up, search for BMW reliability issues and loads will come up despite brands like that trading on their reputation for quality and reliability.
In 20 years of riding MTBs i've still yet to experience a frame failure myself or even see one among the riding mates i have, so much of this kind of thing is friend of a friend stuff and its become worse in the internet age because once you post about a problem with a bike its then there forever and just gets added to by another of the few who experience the same problem until some products get an unfair reputation....
....from reading this forum alone i'm probably never going to buy anything substantial/expensive by Hope, why?....the amount of 'my Hope product-X has broken, what shall i do?' type threads that crop up with alarming frequency....admittedly Hope do seem very good at sorting any issues so people keep going back but i'd rather not have hubs that fail in the first place...(awaits tons of replies defending Hope hubs now...but thats my point, a good product can have a poor view by some people on the basis of some very publicly reported failures)...YT accepted the failures around the rear mech hanger and issued a recall, cant do much more than that.
Plenty of people are very anti brands like Solid, Rose, YT, Canyon etc because they're upsetting the natural order of things...in years gone by the masses bought Specialized/Trek/Giant with own brand finishing kit and a very average spec for the money....people with a bit more money to spend often bought the same bikes but upgraded the fork, shock, wheels etc and this allowed them to feel superior about their purchase...others prepared to spend even more money bought frame only by Intense, Banshee, Pivot etc and adorned their bikes with the latest and greatest parts and rode around safe in the knowledge that their 6k+ superbike was untouchable and they could feel smug at whatever trail centre carpark they happened to be posing in that weekend....
....then came along the direct selling companies who will supply a frame with the current 'on trend' angles, aftermarket and branded finishing kit and shocks, forks etc that are considered market leading in their category....all for half the price of putting a build together yourself....now everyone can ride a superbike without having your pants pulled down for the privilege....to top it off these bikes actually ride well and are well reviewed by the press when they get their hands on them.
For the snobs out there this is an outrage, how will they possibly feel superior out on the trail now?!...there is also a problem with people feeling a little embarrassed at what they previously paid for bikes and having their pride hurt, these direct sales models highlight just how cheap a good bike can be built for using economies of scale and cutting out the shop floor layer of retail....its natural to wonder why on earth you've been parting with so much money in the past.
Of course people try to justify the inflated price they paid for the bike by talking about having a dealership to return to if they have any problems....two issues here, its a bike....most people are capable of sitting down with a cuppa and watching a Youtube video about anything that needs doing on the bike...we're not talking highbrow engineering, whether you ride a Halfords special or a carbon Santa Cruz the derailuers all work on the same principle and brakes are bled the same way....there is no mystique to pushing in a headset cup or cutting down a fork steerer!
Secondly, how often are you having to return to the dealership with problems?...bikes are simple, if your choice of bike hinges on how quickly/conveniently you can get said bike back to the dealership then i reckon you've chosen a crap bike that is not fit for purpose.
Each to their own but with that Alu Capra at less than 2k i'd consider myself mental to spend 6k on a similar bike sold to me by an established brand via the traditional route!....oh no the wheels were wobbly when it arrived, my LBS charge £10 to true a wheel...i'd still rather do that than pay thousands more for the same thing that wears a different badge....Christ even if the bike arrived barely assembled and was unridable my LBS still only charge £100 for a complete bike build....in that worst case scenario i could still go on a very nice holiday with the difference!
I for one welcome the arrival of YT, Solid, Rose, Canyon, Radon etc and with Commencal going to the direct sales model too things are looking good...they're all making race winning bikes that are within reach of mere mortals like me, long may it continue.
Fascinating. So we can all be inverted snobs now instead?
If you like, seems to be the done thing on this forum when talking politics so why not bikes!
Seriously though, i dont get whats not to like?!...for people who like a shop front and established brands they still exist and will gladly sell you a bike....but for the price conscious you can now spec a bike to unbelievable levels and actually have a chance at owning it without having to sign up to finance or it still being on your credit card 5 years later!
I don't disagree, they have a place in the market, as do bike brands sold through a more traditional means.
YT are still a very niche brand, with limited models and bikes so they are a bit of a poor relation to the likes of Canyon who don't just cater for DJ'ers, DH'ers or wannabe Enduro Wizards, but what they do, they do very well (for the most part).
I can't imagine your average high end brand rider feels embarrassed/pride hurt/blah just because a company bring out a better spec bike for cheaper. From our own extensive market research they are very different markets, that have very little crossover.
But hey, I work for one of those big, evil brands that apparently like to pull our customers pants down, so i'm just protecting my interests 🙂
If you buy a Giant Reign from Europe it's cheaper and has some lesser components but better back up
DANGER! DANGER!
http://forums.mtbr.com/giant/official-i-broke-my-lower-link-my-2010-reign-x-thread-617291.html
Well that's my next bike sorted...if they'll be able to meet the demand?!
607 TT length on a large and no XL. No thanks.
i sat on a large and found them too short pretty much like a large nomand (26'er) so with no XL that rules me out.
or buy one, sell the frame and build up something else with your bargain build kit? How much would a frame sell for unused s/h?
I'm still not getting this whole, "they are too short thing".
Everyone talks about the new Nomad as nu-skool long. The Capra has a slightly longer reach (short TT but a steeper seat tube).
The only problem is that there is no XL option but if you're tall and it doesn't fit you, get something else. Considering their main market is Europe, they probably think they won't sell enough XLs...
one of the boys i know is selling his Large capra frame with Bos shock. i think hes only road it 3/4 times £2k
I'm still not getting this whole, "they are too short thing".
Everyone talks about the new Nomad as nu-skool long. The Capra has a slightly longer reach (short TT but a steeper seat tube).
The Nomad is not a long bike. It's gone from being short, to about average in its latest generation. Try comparing it to a Process/Strive/Reign/Etc
Balls to the whole politics snobbery or inverse snobbery bullshit - there's a cool looking, well spec'd great riding bike I can afford - there are other equally cool etc bikes available - but I can't afford those.
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one of the boys i know is selling his Large capra frame with Bos shock. i think hes only road it 3/4 times £2k
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Selling as in wants 2k or selling as in sold for 2k? Until it's sold they are different things.
hes selling it for £2k ono i think. hes on here waldo1 i think his username is
he commented on the 1st page, message him if ur interested
Hmmm Waldo1. Aka Ollie Hassani, ripped me off £30 on classifieds. Buyer beware.
Lmao he's also minted which makes that worse.
Well the deal is to good for me to ignore i just ordered a medium Capra AL1
On Dirt they have a video where the YT folks confirm that there will be an aluminium XL Capra! My choices for 2015 mountain bike get harder and harder:
Capra AL2
Strive Race AL6
Reign 2 LTD
Mondraker Dune
Rode a Capra on Sunday - it felt bloody great, but I wouldn't buy one.
In my humble opinion they are too short for me at 182cm. Apparently I'm a medium according to YT's website, which is laughable.
On the other hand, if the missus bought a small I think she'd be totally as pleased as punch.
Interesting. I am 5'9 and have gone for a medium. I have short legs and long torso. It seems the geo is pretty close to that of a specialized Enduro 650b? Which appears to be my size? Have i made a mistake??? Reading peoples thoughts in sizing it seems like people consider them to be small in terms of reach etc. is this just in terms of the new forward geo stuff? If so i am fine with that as I don't like the forward geo stuff
is this just in terms of the new forward geo stuff?
Pretty much, yes. Also fashion. Put a 70mm stem on an enduro bike and suddenly everyone says it's ugly.
Their geometry isn't far off Santa Cruz or pretty much anyone from a few years ago.
Slacker head angles and longer front centres are popular because people are going faster, and want to go even faster. Trail centres and 'handbuilt' trails are adding to this imo.
But it's not necessarily right for everyone and it would depend on a lot of factors.
That said - I bought a fairly forward geo bike and consider the Capras too short (or too tall in the seat tube, if you want to look at it like that - look at how many people have their 150mm Reverbs with the collar right at the very bottom on the Capras)
You might be OK. I rode a M and am 5'11" and a bit. Fine going down, but I'd hate to climb on it. Saying that, the owner is 5'8" and loves it.
Using the ETT as a guide, I'd personally not go for anything less than 625mm for use with a 50mm stem, so the 607 on a L Capra is a major turn-off. There's obviously a lot more than that to take into account, such as the angles that aren't 'proper' seat angles because they don't start at the BB, but it's a reasonable guide to start with.
It's also worth looking at the Reach (distance to the head tube from a vertical line going through the BB).
The other thing to do is test ride when your neighbour gets one. Judging by the speed they're coming into the country, it won't be long. 😉
I looked at the geo-charts and was fairly confident, it should fit 'Fine'I don't like allot of the modern forward geo stuff. I guess i will just have to cope with 70mm stem being ugly. Hell it hasn't got crossmax enduro's so I will be out of fashion anyway! My mate has ordered a large, i suspect he will find that more cramped than me we are going to look like a right pairs of kn0bs turning up on matching bikes!! YT's sizing guide must be well off as it says the medium is for riders up to 6ft. They must have loads returned if that's the case? Still i got a 3 month wait, they have not taken any money from me yet? Do they normally take the cash at point of dispatch? Bit worried the Euro will bounce its ass back up!
Russyh - You'll fine fine size wise, theres a lot of talk about them being small but they're really not that bad at all, I'm ordering a large at 6ft having ridden one. I think this internet talk can sometimes get in your head and make you overthink things.
They should send you an email with their bank details and you chose when to pay them. I'd pay now with the euro so low
Thanks Ross, hat just what i needed to hear. Can I pay be Credit Card? Hoping to keep my current bikes and sell near delivery to pay for!
I don't think you can pay with a credit card. As long as you pay at least a week before delivery you're fine and I can't see the euro rising more than £50ish in a few weeks but I could be wrong.
I looked at the geo-charts and was fairly confident, it should fit 'Fine'
Then it should be all good. 🙂 I'm speaking on a personal level which (obviously) includes personal preferences.
Worst case scenario is you sell it - you may even turn a profit. 😉
I ordered a Canyon Strive rather than a Capra because
1) At over 6', the large Capra isn't quite long enough by modern trends
2) No bottle cage mounts. Seriously, this is a big deal as I ride bag less whenever I can.
If those things don't bother you, it's hard to look past the Capra deal.
I dont ride with bottle cages to be honest i would prefer not to have the boss' installed. The forward geo doesnt bother me at all. I dont like the feel or the look of it. So something more 'traditional' works best for me.