[Closed] You know all those other times we said road tubeless was worth it?

Look good. Your issue is…?

What's your point? They're saying "Schwalbe claims..." and quoting their interview / press release, rather than duplicating verbatim.

And the Pro Ones are excellent tyres, especially set up tubeless.

I'm 22% more interested

(sadly, that's not much. Current Pro Ones are not suited to the flinty roads round here)

Anyone else wondering how they've managed to make a tubeless tyre lighter than its clincher equivalent?

Sounds like it'll need a lot of sealant!

Nah not wondered that.

Still doesn't encourage me to use schwalbe tires.

Having great results with road tubeless though....mostly due to not using schwalbe based on my experiances with MTB tubeless and schwalbe. Yes it works eventually but it's not very good as staying working and then the tires fall apart in short order.

I’ve got road tubeless tyres on my new road bike (admittedly not Schwalbe as I have also had issues with their mtb tyres) and my first impressions are that they work just as well as mtb tubeless.

My experience of the old Pro Ones suggested a straight forward QC issue.

Bead size clearly differed tyre to tyre.

One of the pair I bought (same supplier, same day) inflated with a little swearing but sealed well and generally felt good.

The other took every trick in the book to get the bead on but sealed badly even with loads of sealant and then popped off repeatedly overnight. Removed and refitted a few times taking hours and hours.

Being me I swapped the tyres front to back and the problem followed, it was clearly the tyre not the rim.

Good one now being used with a tube on my winter bike, bad one got cut in half so I never wasted hours trying to fit again.

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My experience of the old Pro Ones suggested a straight forward QC issue.

Bead size clearly differed tyre to tyre.

One of the pair I bought (same supplier, same day) inflated with a little swearing but sealed well and generally felt good.

The other took every trick in the book to get the bead on but sealed badly even with loads of sealant and then popped off repeatedly overnight. Removed and refitted a few times taking hours and hours.

Being me I swapped the tyres front to back and the problem followed, it was clearly the tyre not the rim.

Good one now being used with a tube on my winter bike, bad one got cut in half so I never wasted hours trying to fit again.

This clearly is a QC issue, why didn't you just return the faulty tyre? I've done this in the past and ended up with a replacement tyre rather than a lingering bad feeling and more crap cluttering up my garage.

I kind of get the OP's ire, but I would definitely consider that tyre if I went road tubeless. This doesn't mean there's any real merit (except from advertising revenue) of publishing regurgitated press releases, but that's not going to stop anyone doing it.

Been using Schwalbe road tubeless for years, since Durano tubeless were first available (great but wore quickly!). Previous Pro Ones have been excellent.

Whats the rrp going to be for these? £60? Which is probably £40 to 50 with the major retailers.

Its getting similar in price to car tyres. Are we just all a set of mugs or do they really cost similar amounts to research, produce and distribute?

And yes, I'll probably end up buying a set when I shred my current pro ones 🤣

Are we just all a set of mugs or do they really cost similar amounts to research, produce and distribute?

Based solely on gut feel: Lump figure? Doubtful. Pro-rata I'd expect more.

Found the previous pro one tyres were excellent for both grip and rolling resistance, but complete crap for strength and longevity. I'm running the TL5000s now, which I think match both the grip and rr but are also much stronger and long wearing.

Also running tubeless yukons on the other bike, which are also excellent.

I'm also with the OP. I didn't expect a review as it's obviously a press release, but the "road tubeless finally comes of age" headline is ridiculous.

the solution to a problem that doesn't exist comes around again.

Mugs

i've just ordered the hutchinson sector
mate has them and RREALLY rates them. we'll see.
didnt really have issues with the pro one but they do wear fast.

I have the original pro ones. Durability is awful, my rear was goosed after 2000 miles max.

Also, I'm not convinced tubeless works at high pressures. I've had situations where tiny holes have not sealed despite plenty of sealant in the tyre.

Wonder why they didn't make the non tt version in a skin wall. Still waiting for a skinwall tubeless tyre to tempt me back to tubeless. It can clearly be done. Old school pro ones are already available in skinwall, but only from australia.

Tubeless road tyres mostly seem to cost a kidney and you do well to get more than ~2000 miles from them, if you want low rolling resistance and grip.

The best bang for the buck model seems to be Hutchinson 11 All Seasons, ~£32 each, so not much more than promo GP4000S II prices.

Your issue is…?

Here's mine.

Pricing for the Pro One TLE has been set at €69.90 but we’ll update this article with further details and currencies as soon as we know.

They can **** right off! 😆

Not read the link yet but my tubeless Pro Ones were superb. Just replaced the rear after almost exactly 1 year / 4000 miles, it was down to the canvas in one place and had a few cuts and gouges. The front has still got loads of life in it.

Zero punctures.

I'm not trying to be a dick about it or anything but I get one or two punctures a year using tubes and Pro 4 service course tyres.

So it's definitely a solution to a problem that doesn't exist for me.

I have a friend who says the same about MTB tubeless but he's clearly just wrong.

I’m not trying to be a dick about it or anything but I get one or two punctures a year using tubes and Pro 4 service course tyres.

So it’s definitely a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist for me.

I have a friend who says the same about MTB tubeless but he’s clearly just wrong.

You realise tubeless allows a lighter and faster rolling too, yeah? I'm totally unconvinced by the puncture angle, but going faster for the same effort always seems worthwhile.

In truth, limited conclusions can be drawn from such little time on a new set of tyres, not least when it comes to puncture protection and durability, but my time in Italy did give me the opportunity to form some early impressions

They really weren't clear about what they had done

the “road tubeless finally comes of age” headline is ridiculous.

Phew, not just me then... 🙂
Yeah, it's mainly the "road tubeless finally comes of age" - my first thought being so if you're saying this finally works, then wtf have you been relentlessly peddling for the last 3 years then? And why, given that unprincipled hawking of what you now admit to be tat, should we believe you this time?

You realise tubeless allows a lighter and faster rolling too, yeah

Not convinced that it's any lighter. The tyres are heavier, and once you add a valve and sealant then the weight is equal to a non tubeless tyre with a light weight tube.

Going on my exp, the benefits are marginal and when you do puncture and then need to fit a tube it's a horrible messy faff.

Of course I may have punctured many times on my tubeless tyres and not noticed as the sealant has worked, however I'm doubtful as I've never noticed a mid ride drop in pressure.

the benefits are marginal and when you do puncture and then need to fit a tube it’s a horrible messy faff.

Going on my experience (mostly being 25 years of commuting) the benefits are enormous. (But not enough to pay 69euros per tyre, back on topic like - I mean, I haven't been waiting for anything to "come of age", what bollox.)

when you do puncture and then need to fit a tube it’s a horrible messy faff

I always hear this one rolled out in tubeless discussions. I've had to do this a number of times on road and mtb. It's really not much more of a mess or a faff compared to changing a tube.

The feel and rolling resistance of the tyre is far better - for similar reasons that people run latex tubes.

Not convinced that it’s any lighter. The tyres are heavier, and once you add a valve and sealant then the weight is equal to a non tubeless tyre with a light weight tube.

If you use Tubolito tubes then yes, any other tubes and no. Valve and sealant is around 40 grams and only one tube is lighter than that. They will also roll better without a tube and could also be more supple.

I wouldn't bother though as it is a mess when you do puncture and I found high pressure 25c tyres didn't seal so had to put a tube in. I would just use Tubolito tubes on the road if I could be bothered to pay £20 for each tube.

The tubeless and clincher weight discussion is pointless. The weights are so close, the rr is incredibly close as well. The feel of a latex tube and as an example, corsa g+ is very similar to tubeless. It really is just down to user preference.
I’m currently using pro ones tubeless on my summer bike, only for the fact that I can’t get the tyres of my rims easily. Not had any flats so far, but do take out a set of anchovies that I’ve not had to use. I have an old injury that means I’m only able to use one arm/hand for changing tyres.
I don’t rate the grip on pro ones in damp or wet. But as a light rider the durability has been ok for me.
For racing in the spring I still prefer my clinchers just for the grip. I use Michelin power comp with latex tubes as these are reasonably light, excellent rolling resistance and no faff on my winter rims.

If you use Tubolito tubes then yes, any other tubes and no. Valve and sealant is around 40 grams and only one tube is lighter than that.

But you aren't taking into account that tubeless tyres are generally heavier...

But you aren’t taking into account that tubeless tyres are generally heavier…

Generally, but as this thread is specifically about the new Pro ones the 25mm tubeless tyre weight 10grams more than the tubeless model (245 vs 235) so as I said Tubolito is the only tube that will give same weights they are around 40 grams less than a latex tube.

Anyone that thinks that it's simply about the weight of the tyre + tube, you're completely missing the point, and if you're running 25mm tyres tubeless at 90psi+ you're not really getting any benefit. IME a 35mm tubeless tyre at 50psi on your typical, UK stone-chipping clad road strewn with cracks and potholes probably has lower rolling resistance, has better grip and is way more comfortable.

Hi Dovebiker,
I think moving to the debate about 35mm tyres having lower rolling resistance is quite confusing. They are more comfortable at that size, but then it gets into the debate about what is the fastest tyre size. There’s more to outright speed than rolling resistance.
I’ve seen the study by compass where they state that wider is faster. But the test is worthless in my opinion, they are also a company specialising in wider tyres.
Personally I’ll always be of the opinion that 23 or 25mm is the fastest tyre for the majority of rides. I use 32mm in winter, a good fast compound, it’s a decent tyre, grippy and not slow, but I wouldn’t race with it. If the 35mm tyre was faster than 25mm tyres every amateur racer would be using them, I’ve never seen anyone rock up to the line with anything above a 28mm tyre. Lots of amateur racers are also into marginal gains, I do power meter tests against my kit to determine what works best for me. Lots of guys do the same.
Completely agree though that tubeless at 90psi misses the comfort benefit of tubeless though.
Zipp and Enve have produced a study showing that 23mm was fastest, I’ve provided the link previously in other discussions about tyre size. But the variables are massive. Enve have since produced a study showing that 28mm is optimal for really bad roads and they produced a rim to accommodate this. It’s the rim and the tyre combo that make the speed difference, not just the tyre.
My Reynolds wheels are fastest with a 23mm tyre, but they are an absolute pig to change tubes, so I sacrifice some speed for 25mm Pro Ones tubeless.

And the Pro Ones are excellent tyres, especially set up tubeless.

Apart from squaring off at 1500 miles, prone to cuts and dreadful wet grip, they're excellent. Hopefully the new ones are an improvement.