[Closed] XX1/X01 shifter and mech with XTR m9000 cassette- compatible?

Yep, it'll work fine.

As said, XTR mech/shifter works well with XX1 cassette too, so you can have which ever shifter/mech you prefer and change cassette down the line if you want.

Fantastic, thanks Njee.
I hadn't seen it confirmed the other way round until now.
Maybe I'll run XTR mech and shifter in that case.

I'm running XTR mech/shifter with XX1 cassette and it works flawlessly (better than the XX1 shifter did, and it's lighter, and cheaper), so can assure you that's a good combination if you change wheels down the line. No reason to go SRAM shifter unless you prefer the ergonomics, as I know some do.

Good to know, thanks.
Makes you wonder why Shimano have limited themselves to the 11-40t, as the mech has clearly got capacity to go 10-42t. Seems odd.

Shimano don't want the bigger jumps between gears.

And it doesn't need a proprietary freehub body. I just don't think they're trying to beat SRAM in the 1x11 market.

I think Shimano dropped the ball - or maybe SRAM have patented the 10t / none standard freehub thingy?

Would the larger gear range require a new freehub body? is this because of the 10t? If so, Shimano could still have a 11-42t cassette.

As you say, I guess that Shimano are trying to dominate the 2x/3x market.

Sram's free hub body is similar to Shimano's Capreo free hub for folding bikes. It uses a 9-26 cassette for reasonable ratios on small wheeled bikes.

They've avoided a 10-42 cassette to make for more manageable gaps, and because they reckon the 10T is inefficient in MTB use (in terms of the the dirty conditions they're used in). The fact that they also lead the way in terms of ft mech function is likely a factor too.

I still think a Shimano 10-42 cassette will be here by next year. A company of there size cannot afford not to - they cant be content with dominating 2/3 and not even having a useful 1 x 11 system. That is such a big part of the market already and growing all the time, they must have lost so many long term customers this year.

Me included but I haven't given up on them yet - come on shimano, sort it out

I think Shimano dropped the ball - or maybe SRAM have patented the 10t / none standard freehub thingy?

Nope, and no. They're just not chasing the comparatively small 1x11 market. They've always said they don't like big jumps in range. Of course they could do a 10-42, or an 11-50 or whatever they wanted, but there's a reason they're not.

I still think a Shimano 10-42 cassette will be here by next year. A company of there size cannot afford not to - they cant be content with dominating 2/3 and not even having a useful 1 x 11 system. That is such a big part of the market already and growing all the time, they must have lost so many long term customers this year.

I really doubt that. Perhaps an 11-42 will follow. It's hardly "not useful", it's just a smaller range than SRAM. Plenty of people still using XTR for 1x11. It's not a big part of the market at all. It's a UK/US phenomenon, not anything like as common for normal riders in Asia, which is a massive market.

They've not dropped the ball, it's a conscious decision on their part.

We will see 🙂

Is doesn't make any since to add still bigger sprockets - you are adding more mass, complexity, flex and ugliness. Add massive range at the other end by dropping just 1 tooth. I know you dont want to copy SRAM but you are going to have to stop being so stubborn. It will be harder the longer you leave it

10 x 42 is the absolute minimum for regular riders (not with elephant legs) who rider proper hills/mountains.

Which is the vast majority of us.

I was buying new wheels and still when with the XTR cassette (I run an XTR mech and an X0 gripshift). I chose Shimano because I had come from 11-36 1 x 10 and was rarely using the 11, if ever, I felt that a slight increase a the top of the cassette could be useful (and it has been) but I wanted to keep the ratios fairly close and I for some reason felt more confident with Shimano shifting.

I really like it and it suits my riding requirements but I'm certainly not saying this is the way forward for everyone because if you don't mind the slightly wider ratio gaps what's not to like about 10-42 and the Sram cassette is a good chunk lighter.

I have a suspicion that some Shimano sponsored pros may run SRAM cassettes this year 😉

I have a suspicion that some Shimano sponsored pros may run SRAM cassettes this year

I don't. They all did fine on 1x10 with 11-36 cassettes. An 11-40 will be fine.

10 x 42 is the absolute minimum for regular riders (not with elephant legs) who rider proper hills/mountains.

Bollocks it is. You've just reached that conclusion because that's what SRAM offered. The size of the chainring is of significance too. Running a 30t with Shimano gives a lower gear than SRAM with a 32t.

10 x 42 is the absolute minimum for regular riders (not with elephant legs) who rider proper hills/mountains.

I ride in the Peaks a decent amount and manage up everything I did on a double with an 11-36. I'm certainly no elephant legged freak 😀

Not proper mountains granted but pretty big hills.

njee20 - Member
I have a suspicion that some Shimano sponsored pros may run SRAM cassettes this year
I don't. They all did fine on 1x10 with 11-36 cassettes. An 11-40 will be fine.

I mean more will will go from double to single like the SRAM riders.

I mean more will will go from double to single like the SRAM riders.

Virtually all pro male XC racers are on single ring these days. The Shimano ones have been using 11-36s for years, they'll just use 11-40s now! Maybe more women will change I guess, but I don't think we'll see people covertly using SRAM cassettes. Not least because it's not covert!

Obviously not relevant in enduro/DH racing!

Bollocks it is. You've just reached that conclusion because that's what SRAM offered.

Potty Mouth
No it isn't - I know how to divide that's how I reached my conclusion.
After setting up an Alfine mountain bike last year I know a fair deal about gear ratios..... and the people on this forum do not represent the average required gear ratio of the general mountain biking community.

njee20 - Member
I mean more will will go from double to single like the SRAM riders.
Virtually all pro male XC racers are on single ring these days. The Shimano ones have been using 11-36s for years, they'll just use 11-40s now! Maybe more women will change I guess, but I don't think we'll see people covertly using SRAM cassettes. Not least because it's not covert!

Obviously not relevant in enduro/DH racing!

Ok I was actually thinking in the context of Enduro where a lot of the SRAM riders are using XX1 and the Shimano riders like T-MO y are using double XTR

No it isn't - I know how to divide that's how I reached my conclusion.

So if someone switched your 42 for a 41 you and millions of other people would suddenly fall over sideways amid inadequate gearing? 🙄

Ok I was actually thinking in the context of Enduro where a lot of the SRAM riders are using XX1 and the Shimano riders like T-MO y are using double XTR

Ah ok, really surprised anyone is using doubles for enduro, I take it back!

So if someone switched your 42 for a 41 you and millions of other people would suddenly fall over sideways amid inadequate gearing?

As I said before I don't yet run 1x11, Im waiting on Shimano to sort themselves out.
I have an Alfine MTB and a 2x9 MTB

Also as I said before adding teeth to the big sprockets changes very little. Going from 41 to 42 is a difference of 2.3% and is in the noise - no I wouldn't notice it. But going from 11 to 10 at the other end is a difference of over 9%....which I would notice and that's primerily what Shimano need to address.

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Also as I said before adding teeth to the big sprockets changes very little. Going from 41 to 42 is a difference of 2.3% and is in the noise - no I wouldn't notice it

So 10-42 isn't the "absolute minimum" needed for a 1x11 system as you said? 10-41 would be adequate? Probably a 10-40 for most. 11-40 will be fine for many.

Well aware of the comparative impact of adding teeth to a large sprocket versus taking them off a smaller one - and Shimano will need a 46t sprocket to give an equivalent range to SRAM whilst sticking to the 11, which they won't do, for reasons they've given about the jumps. An 11-42 gives them a bit more range (and the same low gear as SRAM assuming same chainring size), so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw that.

Shimano have said exactly why they're not going smaller than 11t. I don't disagree, the 10t feels noticeably 'rougher' IMO, but I only really use it on the road, so not that worried.

Well its the absolute minimum for me and the same for almost all the people I know. I don't know if Shimano will produce a 10T sprocket but they really, reaaly need to. 46T is a ludicrous alternative solution.

Well its the absolute minimum for me and the same for almost all the people I know.

No, it's not. You said you'd not be able to tell if someone fitted a 41, and you say you need the gears for big mountains yada yada yada, so I assume it's the bottom end you need the range for, not the top end, so actually a Shimano 11-42 would probably be more than enough.

Furthermore you've not actually tried it, so it's an entirely moot point.

I don't know if Shimano will produce a 10T sprocket but they really, reaaly need to. 46T is a ludicrous alternative solution.

No, they don't. I'm not convinced Shimano San is actually that worried that you're sitting around frothing at the fact you can't get the Shimano cassette you want. They might sell more units, but the cynic in me says that they'd sell fewer front mechs, left hand shifters and double chainsets if they did that, whilst compromising on a principle they've long maintained.

A 10T cog allows you to run a smaller chainring and still have similar DH gears - so this does effectively give you more low gears.

Im also not too bothered about having a Shimano cassette as I can mix and match a SRAM cassette with a Shimano derailleur. I'm more concerned for the company as most new bikes will just run a SRAM group.

I work for a Japanese company so like to see them succeed.

I suspect that if 10-42 is your minimum range then you ought to start looking at doubles.

I'm fairly average and ride 32T with an 11-36T in the Peak District, and previously in Scotland, weekly, with at least one BIG mountain ride a month. 40T will be a bonus when I buy my next bike but I'd rather a smaller range where I'm in the right gear most of the time than a massive spread with huge jumps. The same reason I don't run a 27T on the road bike. Fortunately Shimano agree with me and I think for the small number of unfit people considering 1x11 over 2x10 it's not worth them competing in a small marketplace for the business. Also, the probably see a £250 cassette for the sake of a 10T cog as complete stupidity. Which is reasonable- I don't want to pay more than £50 for a cassette.

If it helps, here is a girl riding 1x10 with a 36T cassette in some massive mountains last weekend. She doesn't need a 10-42...

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Shimano's future has to be using that cleaver Di2 shifting wirelessly to manage 11-40 rear cassette, and move the tripple into a Di2 alfine style hub....

She does appear to be going down hill?

I'm more concerned for the company as most new bikes will just run a SRAM group.

Don't be daft. You're projecting your wants onto that of the entire bike buying public! I can't see Shimano going under because they're not offering a 10t sprocket. 🙄

I can't see Shimano going under because they're not offering a 10t sprocket.

I agree which is why they will start offering one 🙂

She does appear to be going down hill?

Argument concludes, you don't understand physics, Shimano wins.