[Closed] XTR 2011

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Not the prettiest?!

*drool*

Think XX is nicer, and current XTR.

I am sure it will be decent stuff in the flesh. These early pictures never do it justice.

June 30th for full release of official stuff with an October on sale date.

Expensive tat.

thing of beauty them cranks

Expensive - probably. Not sure even with exchange rates why top end groupsets (Super Record, XX, and probably new XTR) have gone up from about £900 to over £1,300.

Tat - not quite so sure about that one! None of the spy shots show anything truly ground breaking though.

Expensive tat.

Way over priced. I've done the XTR route, but never again. In fact ever since XTR I've slowly gone to XT, then LX and now SLX. And can't say I've noticed any difference.

3 rings ..... pah

looks better than the current xtr

Are we looking at 30 speed then? 🙄

i thought xtr was a double?

It should have the choice of either double or triple, wether it will or not remains to be seen

nothing special. prefer the look of the Current XTR.

The thread behind that picture does contain some 'insider' sneak views including the double option.

Highclimber +1

That's either bad photoshopping around 8 o'clock on the big chainring, or some 'interesting' tooth profiling...

I think the former! I guess the photographer wanted to disguise the source of the product.

Got in himmel........It's a swastika! [back to front I know] More weight nazis' than weight weenies.

More 'real' photo of it here:

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Those brakes look light, callipers are rather reminiscent of the M960.

I kinda like those. Cranks still not as pretty as the M960s, but the brakes look sweet.

😯

Brakes!!!

Brakes look very nice.

Rear mech looks well nice. wonder if the brakes are any more powerful than the old 970's, thought they were weak but always liked the look of them.

I wish Shimano would focus a little R&D on their freehubs, I've done three (2 deore and one XTR) in recent months.

No point in user serviceable bearings if you're replacing freehubs every 6 months!

shiny brakes...

those brakes look sick

Oh joy ANOTHER pad type for Shimano brakes. Dont like the brake levers, look like polished Haynes 9s in passing.

Wouldn't buy any of it simply because of the price, but that stuff looks pimp.

All we have to do is wait a year for it to trickle down and become affordable!

Don't like the finish, would prefer the ano-grey finish, but the style is nice.

Rear mech looks very similar to the current one, just with a UD cage and slightly more 'curvy' lines.

I like the Nazi crank.

Wouldn't buy any of it simply because of the price, but that stuff looks pimp.

Have you seen the prices? Suspect it'll be rather cheaper than XX.

I might have to put off my new project until this becomes available.

njee, I thought the calipers were rather reminiscent of these. dinky and shiny!

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Rather odd it's still not actually been announced! All the photos are of a triple chainset too, I can't believe they wouldn't do a double, particularly as that's what all the early info showed.

There's bound to be a double. Can't quite believe the whole swastika vibe though, didn't any one mention it to them I wonder?

I certainly think they'd be daft not to, whatever they say about 'Dyna-Sis' it strikes me as crap!

[i]Have you seen the prices? Suspect it'll be rather cheaper than XX. [/i]

I'm not sure that alone is going to be sufficient to push it into my sensibly affordable bracket, sadly

Arent swastikas the other way round?

Arent swastikas the other way round?

depends whther they're the ancient symbol for good luck, or the the nazi symbol for being a nazi

Edit: would you believe there's actully a bit more to it than that? [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url]

Hardly matters though really does it? Bet your first thought wasn't "hmmmm nice use of ancient symbol for good luck there Shimano..."

Can't really see the swastika either to be honest, you must really be looking for that sort of thing!

Bet you can now....

that mech is v v pretty

[i]Bet you can now.... [/i]

Yep, all I look at now... 🙂

Bet you can now....

Not really, that's what made me say it, I went back and looked at it specifically!

Mmmmm, break out the Brasso, pretty and shiney but probably not functionally and weight wise that much better than 2011 XT…

showed that pic of the crank to a non-bikey colleague he reckoned it reminded him a little of:
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pretty and shiney but probably not functionally and weight wise that much better than 2011 XT

The key word is 'much' which is very subjective. It'll be lighter, if that's worth the extra cost is something else. I wonder if they'll only do a 2x10 on XTR.

Read this months STW magazine to understand the thinking behind Dyna-Sys Nick. It is more than just one more sprocket.

Yes I've read the thinking behind it, I'm just not quite sure I see the point, I think SRAM's solution is better I must admit, although I suspect I'll be back on Shimano next year, sensibly priced if nothing else, and I'd rather talk to you than Fishers 🙂

Can't help thinking Dyna Wotsits is a bit of a rushed stop gap personally...

Ohhh yes, much much more????

It's the same 9speed sprockets, just a little closer together! Just like 8 speed to 9 speed (before that we were missing shifting ramps etc and just had bent teeth to help the chain allong). Nothing revolutionaly in groupsets since HG chains and cassettes (unless you went rapid rise, which is awesome IMO), thats obvious as no one (campag, sram, shimano, or any of the other smaller groupset makers) has made a new design other than lighter/stronger/stiffer/more gears in the last 15 years.

It wont stop me buying up a 2010 crankset though when the racer ditch them 🙂

I like 9 speed, its better than 8 speed, but even worn (1.1% and counting) 9speed XT shifts well enough for me and unlike road riding I don't find myself between ratio's all the time.

It'll be interesting seeing if manufacturers go for the new stuff, or if they do what spesh does and get last years stuff without groupset branding and use it to keep costs down. I suspect a few will offer 9 speed with an option to upgrade, so effectively 10 speed SLX or 9 speed XT (or even XTR) for the same price.

Wonder if they are still doing dual control levers?
and IS mount brake calipers?

and IS mount brake calipers?

Lighter for the rear brake as no one makes post mount frames, you can buy 2 front callipers if you want to run anything other than the standard (160mm?) disk. Its been that way since the first XTR brakes on m960.

I would say outboard bearing chainsets are a pretty massive leap forward, I know they came in 2003, but that's still a pretty significant advance. SRAM have done some novel things with their transmission too, notably the PowerDome cassettes, then there's electronic shifting in Di2 (I know Mektronic was around years ago).

It makes sense that a lot of the evolution in MTBs happened in their infancy, now it's just about 'tweaking' what's out there. New transmissions will work better than the old ones, how much so/whether it's worthwhile or the Emperor's New Clothes is up to you!

Lighter for the rear brake as no one makes post mount frames,

Cannondale do, the Flash, and the new Jekyll and Scalpel are post mount, means you can't run a 140 rotor, but saves the weight of the mounting bracket.

I'd be surprised if any of the big manufacturers don't offer 10 speed transmissions on that level of bike. In 1999 there was mass adoption of 9 speed, right down to Rockhopper level.

What I meant was, are they still doing IS mount calipers? The only pics so far are post mount.

I doubt it, IS with adapters only.

Outboard bearings, OK I'll grant you those, I was thinking more in the shifting department.

The powerdome/CNC cassette is nice, but I can't see it filtering down, being alloy it wont last as long as steel ones, and hasn't a 3rd party already made a lighter/cheeper/harder Ti one based on a more traditional alloy spider? Maybe it'll be used for the top few gears to shed weight where the wear is slower.

Those brakes look fancy! are they designing the mechs to hold onto as much mud as possible with all those little nooks and crannies?

being alloy it wont last as long as steel ones,

The very top sprocket is alu, which is a 32 or 36t, and will wear far slower than a chainring, then is individually replaceable. The rest is steel, on the road cassettes it's all steel.

Yes you can get cheaper full ti cassettes, but they don't shift well and wear our quickly.

The new X.0 PinDome cassette (or whatever it's called) looks very neat, most of the weight saving of XX for half the cost.

I stand corrected, I though the entire XX cassette was alloy.

Nay, that would wear unbelievably fast, the KCNC ones fall apart if you look at them, and Recon alu ones are meant to be good for about 200 miles at most!

There's an article about 2011 XTR in this month's WMB, official pictures & all. Range will be divided into 2 - XTR race (2x10) & XTR trail (3x10), apparently.

I wonder if the Lefty wheels will still be available?

Andy

Is that WMB already out? Embargo is still on for a little bit yet...

Like the sound of XTR race, does that mean other things slightly more 'slimmed down'!

njee while your on chap have you used a KCNC cassette at all?

I suspect 90% of people will go for the 2x10 in some way or other, either with the whatever the fast boys use (40-28) or a more trail friendly setup and just buy the tripple cranks and dtich the outer ring.

The list of components shows an FC-M985 for 28/40, 30/42 and 30/44. Dare I say it, but I think SRAM have actually got that right too, with the wide ratio cassette a 28/42 or a 26/39 makes more sense IMO. Sure they'll have some logic behind it, but I'd question it!

What are the SRAM options?

TBH I don't find I'm particularly limited with 24-36 and 11-32. But It is almost all worn out, the mechs are donkeys years old and the shifters are the old SRAM shimano compatible ones so I could if I wanted probably justify it purely on the need for a replacement groupset! Then again, hopefully 9speed stuff will be cheep for a few years.

Is that WMB already out? Embargo is still on for a little bit yet...

I've got my copy here - probably came early as I subscribe though. Nice picture on p32 of double crankset & wide platform trail pedals.

Andy

[i]Edit: the double options are meant to be 44/30, 42/30, 40/28 & 38/26. Cassette goes up to 36t[/i]

What are the SRAM options?

24/36 (on X.0 and below for next year), 26/39, 28/42 and 30/45.[b]

I cant say I need the granny ring to big sprocket very often, I use it, but only becasue I tend to go big(well, middle)-big then drop into the granny, and shift back allong the cassette If I'm in a hurry to get to the top.

So if anything the bigger Shimano might help me out by stopping me being such a lazy bugger :-p
Would have liked to see 2 close together though, a 26-36 would suit me fine (one gear for uphill, one for down) as the overlap doesnt bother me.

But with the bigger rear cassette, a 28 will give you a very similar gear to a 26 with a 9 speed set up, then you may as well have the bigger front ring, again, with the bigger cassette the 39 will be quite usable, and you won't spend as much time right at the bottom of the block as you would with a 36.

I like the Nazi crank.

Maybe an Indian influence?

http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/symbols/swastika.htm

More in MBR; suggests that the 24/36 is a double & bash.

Andy

On which groupset? I would assume the Shimano 24/36 is double/bash, but I've not seen anything saying they'll do that on XTR?