Available in July I believe. Anyone taking pre-orderes on these yet?
I heard September, although that might be wrong.
Madison's B2B site is showing a delivery due start of July.
Great, anyone taking orders? I assume the medium cage mech is enough for 1x11
Any actual weight yet?
Anyone know if this would work with sram gx?
Quick maths but it doesn't seem to give you a bigger range than 10-42
Similar range, more weight, less money. Ideal for the wife's bike.
Plus it allows her to keep the current bottom gear without a new crankset to take a 28 tooth.
So it's going to be a fair bit heavier and a bit less range than GX, but about £20 cheaper for the cassette, basically? And no need for the one off hub replacement cost.
@Northwind the xd driver seems lighter too, or cassette gouging and the gx seems tough. Any new wheel bar shimano will have either freehub as a choice. Given how overbuilt the current xt is not on my list.
Nor mine but that's basically the niche they've aimed for; people who already have bikes, but who're engaged in their products enough to consider changing the ratios etc, but not engaged enough to spend a little more. Pretty slim IMO.
I assume we can use XD driver hub and SRAM cassette and get 10-42 but use shimano XT 11 speed rear mech and shifter.
Yes, that's what I have on my bike XXTR.
Should be perfect with an oval 32t on 104BCD XT cranks.
Won't need to buy a whole new crankset 🙂
Does the new 1x11 XT crankset get the new tooth profile (DCE)? Pics only show it on the 2x and 3x crankset..or lower models..
Or is this not a new thing and the current models already has it?
I'd really like to know why XXTR didn't work for me. Shit shifting from halfway down the cassette down to the 10. New cable, endless adjusting but getting shifting good one way meant other way rubbish.
When is SLX 11sp out?
The reply to the message I sent to Madison said that these would be arriving in early July.
No idea about weights or anything yet, but it's interesting that a few manufacturers are jumping on the bandwagon to offer big sprockets for existing 11 speed XT/XTR owners.
I'm waiting for the 11-46 XT for my full susser and a friends 29er build. Weight is apparently 450g.
Also waiting for the SLX M7000 11 speed for the 29er. Wish they would hurry up.
I've just read on a Spanish site weight for the 11-46 cassette is 540grams.
I hope that's a type o!
Why won't Shimano go smaller than 11 on the highest gearing? 10t works for SRAM and I've had no issues so far using the 9t cog on my e-13
SRAM and e13 both use an XD driver.
Yep xd driver and I guess shimano really don't want to make one for their wheels for some reason.
Why won't Shimano go smaller than 11 on the highest gearing? 10t works for SRAM and I've had no issues so far using the 9t cog on my e-13
Because Shimano like to play it conservative and safe with their engineering. They also have no interest in ditching their established free-hub design and i very much doubt will use Srams design both due to it being a competitors and they probably feel is has "compromises". The big on probably being they know that 9 or 10 teeth on a sprocket is not good practice. It may work but it's still not good practice. If they had their way we would all still be on 3x or 2x gearing as ultimately they are more reliable. It is just consumers are pushing for 1x gearing as they prefer the simplicity but the chainline really is nasty.
One solution that could be possible is a floating front ring but it seems someone has a patent in so that will probably kill that idea if granted: http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US20130008282
Look at how many old 8 and 9 speed XTR set ups are still running and still fetching good money used and now look at Sram and it is all due to the quality. They are slow to bring things out and normally very conservative in what jumps they make as they don't want to screw up.
The big on probably being they know that 9 or 10 teeth on a sprocket is not good practice. It may work but it's still not good practice. If they had their way we would all still be on 3x or 2x gearing as ultimately they are more reliable. It is just consumers are pushing for 1x gearing as they prefer the simplicity but the chainline really is nasty.
Common complaints but in my experience from the people I ride with the 10t isn't an issue, there may be some technical reasons why it's not best practice or ideal but it does work well in the real world. Same for chain lines, they are good enough and work fine.
For a lot of us 2x/3x gearing has a lot more compromises.
One of the biggest problem shimano has is being able to produce a weight competitive 1x cassette. The XT 2x11 is a ridiculous idea offering very little over 10sp but weight and cost.
Can't see Shimano opting to pay SRAM license fees for the XD freehub design. I've read a few worrying reports of design faults with XD, whereby overtightened cassettes can cause the XD to shear, making it impossible to remove the cassette.
IIRC, Hope and someone else have designed a new proprietary freehub system with open patents?
Common complaints but in my experience from the people I ride with the 10t isn't an issue, there may be some technical reasons why it's not best practice or ideal but it does work well in the real world. Same for chain lines, they are good enough and work fine.For a lot of us 2x/3x gearing has a lot more compromises.
One of the biggest problem shimano has is being able to produce a weight competitive 1x cassette. The XT 2x11 is a ridiculous idea offering very little over 10sp but weight and cost.
It works yes, not denying that. But Shimano prefer to do things more by the book.
Cassette design is a bit silly (but they are strong and do last) and yes they are heavy but the cheapest I have seen a Sram GX (just under 400g) is £80 with an RRP over £100 compared to an XT at 450g with an RRP of £80 but normally £50ish.
Srams attempt at a shimano freehub 11 speed cassette is the NX and it's like a boat anchor.
2x11's focus is longevity through keeping chainlines more optimal and for people who want that little extra at either end and like to spin up climbs and have a lower cadence at speed than you get with a 1x system. It really will last a lot longer due to less chain articulation.
Honestly I find conditions have more to do with longevity than some bits of design.
It works yes, not denying that. But Shimano prefer to do things more by the book.
Cool, my book now says it works, which it does, and it delivers.
Is NX their attempt at doing it shimano style or just rolling out the SLX version before shimano do?
What does the 11sp 2x offer you really over 10sp though? Move overlap? More weight? More cost?
What does the 11sp 2x offer you really over 10sp though? Move overlap? More weight? More cost?
In practice, you'll only use the 2x as a bailout. 11x42 can be a little harsh on the knees for those of us who live in hilly country.
You've then got to compare the weight penalty of a front mech, shifter, cables, extra chainring(s) vs simply bolting on a bigger cassette.
I agree that the 11x42 Shimano XT cassette is a bit of a beast, but I can't fault the shifting quality - using full XT here with XTR chain.
😉 what's hilly? 😉
Guess that's why the extra of the 10t makes such a difference to the range.
GX here, 8 months up and down moab, ski resorts, Tassie, Alpine victoria, Rotorua and a bit more, one tweak for a cable stretch, new chanin last week, like new. And yes it is hilly here very very impressed. Set up cost the same as the XT version all up.
I was born and raised in one of the flatter regions of England. Hills are a new and unwelcome shock. 🙂
When will there be an XTR 11-44 or 11-42 cassette? I would be interested in one of those. Nice hard-wearing, smaller sprockets made from titanium. Yes, please!
Hills are a new and unwelcome shock.
Learn to love the hills - get you fit going up, make you grin coming down 😉
or pain/pleasure/pain/pleasure as it's better known 🙂
No idea why shimano couldn't make an 11 speed cassette that isn't a boat anchor.
will 11-46 require the long mech or will the existing medium mech still cover the range ?
Hope so.
I'm not sure. I ended up buying the medium GS mechs and I hope they work.
SLX mechs are rated as being 11-46 compatible but there is no slx 11-46 casette. XT cassette are rated as 11-42 but there IS an 11-46 cassette.
i think when it all comes out properly all will be clarified and hopefully store specs updated.
I was wodnering when sunrace would bring out an 11 speed 11-46 and an email just arrived in my inbox.
I have just bought a bloody 11-42T..bugger. But that is going on my 26" hard tail so will be plenty and it's a good chunk lighter.
£85 for a sunrace! ouch. You can normally buy a whole bike with sunrace gears for that 😉 11-42T was a lot better at £52
Honestly I find conditions have more to do with longevity than some bits of design.
It works yes, not denying that. But Shimano prefer to do things more by the book.Cool, my book now says it works, which it does, and it delivers.
Is NX their attempt at doing it shimano style or just rolling out the SLX version before shimano do?What does the 11sp 2x offer you really over 10sp though? Move overlap? More weight? More cost?
Yup, conditions play a huge part but will always have more of in impact in a sub optimal system like extreme chain lines and running at the absolute minimum in sprocket size and low chainwrap (eg before offset top jockeys).
I think the NX is to cater more for the OEM market as a lot of cheap hubs wont have an XD driver option so they needed a non-XD cassette.
Just got a reply back from madison on when the 11-46 cassette will be available..
[i]They should be available from the beginning of July and will have a retail price of £84.99, your local dealer will be able to pre order one for you if you contact them.[/i]
andyl - MemberSLX mechs are rated as being 11-46 compatible but there is no slx 11-46 casette. XT cassette are rated as 11-42 but there IS an 11-46 cassette.
Shimano's mech ratings are at least partly marketing; they insisted the 9-speed mechs couldn't do 36T for ages to get people to switch to 10, then as soon as they launched the 12-36T deore cassette they changed the ratings on all the old mechs.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-xt-m8000-11-speed-11-46t-cassette/rp-prod149701
£76.49 for the XT cassette..
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-slx-m7000-11-speed-cassette/rp-prod148222
£45 for the SLX cassette, available 25th July
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-slx-m7000-11-speed-rear-derailleur/rp-prod148563
SLX RD £45
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-slx-1x11-drivetrain-groupset/rp-prod148625
SLX 1x11 groupset £235
SLX 11 speed Chainring 30/32/34T £30
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-slx-m7000-11-speed-chainring/rp-prod148224
£20 cheaper than the XT chainring...can see shimano selling more SLX than XT chainrings..
£72 for the SLX crank. With a 32T chainring 715grams
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-slx-m7000-single-11sp-crankset/rp-prod148289
Freeborn bikes are doing the SLX single chainrings for £24..
I can have two of those for the price of an XT.. how much difference can there be?
http://www.freeborn.co.uk/shimano-sm-crm70-single-chainring-for-slx-m7000-30t
http://www.freeborn.co.uk/shimano-sm-crm70-single-chainring-for-slx-m7000-32t
medium or long cage for the 11-46 XT cassette?
28T chainring.
Going on my dude, looking at canyon website this year's dudes have the 11-46 cassette. Looks like they fit the long cage as they quote "LONG GEARSHIFT ARM"
GS is fine on all 1x set ups.
That's what I thought
