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After my first XC race of the year and finishing with quite a bit left in the tank I'm trying to put together some things to try for the next one.
- The sprint for position at the beginning is worth doing!
- Don't ease off on the easier bits of the course. My riding of the technical bits is not good enough to make up more time on it.
- Climb out of the saddle more.
- Don't wear glasses if it's raining. They just fog up.
- Increase the SPD tension. Kept clipping out on the climbs which was very annoying.
- Try a higher tyre pressure in the rear tyre if it's raining. Hopefully it will make the tyre "cut through" the mud more.
Anyone got any of their strategies/tips they'd care to share please?
Ride as hard as you can. Then a bit harder. Stop when someone tells you to.
Wouldn't play with things like SPD tension myself, I'd want it to be the same as normal riding. If your feet come out then I'd be looking at your cleats.
win or die trying.
no shame in blowing up a few times in the learning process 😉
Ride faster, and then some.
Had a dabble in a multisport race on the MTB legs, was ok but as you said had eased off on the easier bits and got passed. Also not fit enough and lost out on the ups.
Get Fitter
then get more fit
then get fitter
If you can still stand up or see at the end, you weren't trying hard enough! 🙂
Does anyone play the "would I have podiumed if I dropped a cat" game?
@njee20 Think I saw your wife? Rides a Whippet with 650B wheels?
I swapped the pedals over from the full sus bike which had them set low for "bail or you go over a Spanish mountainside" mode. Way too low for the bog at Frith Hil when you're climbing in the wrong gear!
Does anyone bother with a Garmin and HR monitor? I was glad to not have put it on, but was wishing there was a way to time myself without risking a £300 GPS given the amount of crashing I did.
If youre not leading by a comfortable margin then its 95+% "flat out" the whole time. I have only won one small race where I was able to relax a little (although not that much as I didn't know where 2nd place was), all other races I will average say 195HR and max at 205. As mentioned above, if you don't feel like being sick at the end then you weren't trying 🙂
I don't use my HRM these days as I can monitor myself well enough. With regards to the GPS, some people mount them on the top tube just behind the stem, out of the way there, not so easy to see but far less danger of damage
@njee20 Think I saw your wife? Rides a Whippet with 650B wheels?
Nope, not mine!
Suspect you're thinking of Lou - who is Jason's wife (rides for XCRacer/Four4th) on a Whippet with 650B wheels.
Does anyone bother with a Garmin and HR monitor? I was glad to not have put it on, but was wishing there was a way to time myself without risking a £300 GPS given the amount of crashing I did.
I leave mine on the bars, and keep a vague eye on lap times, but don't really pay too much attention to the heart rate.
Does anyone bother with a Garmin and HR monitor? I was glad to not have put it on, but was wishing there was a way to time myself without risking a £300 GPS given the amount of crashing I did.
I did, looked down on the first hill to see I was at 191, it then went up a bit more so I stopped looking at that and went for average speed as a measure/target
I really wouldn't bother with a target myself, just ride as hard as you can. As Terry said there's no shame in blowing up in order to find your limit. Marathons are a little different, but in XC I'd forget about pacing!
yeah similar advice to njee. I found I didnt get much quicker trying to pace my self.
Best advice is to go hard from the start and keep trying to go as faster as possible for as long as possible. Ok u might blow up on the current race but u'll be quicker for the next race and probably blow later or preferably after the race has finished.
It would be really useful for lap times. I thought I heard the missus shout "49 lap" when I went past when she actually said 29 (still slow, I know). Sat up a little bit after that.
Toying with the idea of an Edge 200 just for races. Don't want to give Garmin any of my money after how shocking the Edge 800 I shelled out for is, but at £84 it would be handy just to have a backup GPS.
Also, this way I have a stick if I look down and clock my HR at anything below Zone 5!
If all you want is to look at the number and have a lap timer why not just buy a cheap HRM or something?
Whilst tidying the garage I found a Polar FS1 (I think), needs a battery, and I'll have to see if I can find the fabric chest strap, but yours for £20 if you want?
When you get on someones wheel going uphill put little bursts of power in then freewheel [Hope hubs required BTW] the noise of the hub psychics them out 🙂
Psychics them out? I guess at least you'd know!
I say sod that - if you can freewheel just go past, that'll psyche them out more.
The advices to get fitter and ride hard is good.
Although I find that using training to know what your body is telling you, how hard you can push, and how long you can push for, what your strengths and weaknesses are is invaluable. You are then able to plan/manage your ride around that.
I did a (road) event the other day and worked around all that and came in 6th of 84 over 85 miles - not bad for my first. 2 minutes faster would have been 3 more places...
if someone behind me is freewheeling up hill in a race - i just think , oh well they are broken.
like nick says if you are able to freewheel uphill youll really be looking to pass.....
A really common thing to see is when people get onto a nice flat fire road section is they sit up and enjoy a rest. This is the time to bury yourself in a lactate threshold TT effort with a view to getting a bit of recovery in a twisty singletrack section later on.
Anyway to you I'd say have a go at this strategy: Aim to try and keep up with the best for just the first lap. Doing that would be akin to winning gold. After that, blow up, sit up if you like and grin to yourself as your vision returns to normal; now you know what pace you've got to train to.
My other top tip from the weekend was as we did the same course both days but in reverse I was in the strange position of making 6 mins on day 2 - most made nothing or lost time. I put this firmly at my carb loading (mostly ale but some red wine)
My other top tip from the weekend was as we did the same course both days but in reverse I was in the strange position of making 6 mins on day 2 - most made nothing or lost time
Didn't try hard enough on day 1 😉
[quote=njee20 ]My other top tip from the weekend was as we did the same course both days but in reverse I was in the strange position of making 6 mins on day 2 - most made nothing or lost time
Didn't try hard enough on day 1
I most certainly did, I was a last minute sub and had just taken the ladies team into mixed. I was trying very hard to not let the side down
Being in agony doesn't in itself make you fast if you throw technique, line and control out the window.
You probably need a training day with someone like Richmtbguru. By his own admission he's never won anything but he could teach you to be just as awesome as him 😀
10 mins before the race, look at yourself in a mirror (Bring one to the race, should Race HQ not have one ready) and remind yourself that you're a tiger, coiled and ready to be released onto the unsuspecting race field. Do a roar or two just to really get yourself fired up. Even better if your competition can hear it as they'll be totally psyched out.
Release the tiger. That's all you really need to know.
Never raced an xc race in me life, never will, but, my advice would be to take some time learning to ride technically hard stuff too, not just concentrating on fitness.
The usual xc whippet type I've seen seems to have trouble riding anything more technical than a field.. 😀
Never raced an xc race in me life, never will,
Think we can tell from your acute observations above.... 😉 Most of the guys I race are so bloody fast on the technical sections it's beyond belief.
By his own admission he's never won anything but he could teach you to be just as awesome as him
He's won everything, just never taken up any of the many opportunities he's had to turn pro.
The usual xc whippet type I've seen seems to have trouble riding anything more technical than a field.
You need to spend some more time with some decent XC racers.
The usual xc whippet type I've seen seems to have trouble riding anything more technical than a field..
Christ, the usual ones I've seen will put most dh'ers to shame
@njee20 Think I saw your wife? Rides a Whippet with 650B wheels?
Nick, something I need to ask Lou about 🙂
Lou was slipping her way around the Gorrick race on Sunday on her 650b Whippet, not sure she found Racing Ralph tyres the best for that course.
The bit of advice given to me years ago that I still remember is that XC races are won on the up hills and lost on the downhills. Occasionally have to remind myself of that when I get over confident on descents.
Of course XC racing is all about riding round flat fields...
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Nick, something I need to ask Lou about
Well people will talk after she had to stretch me out after the Gorrick 100 😉
Yep, most courses are just around flat fields
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Dhana, when you've vomited over your bars you know your trying hard enough,r
These are the two best tips that work for me.
Do you pre race warm up 40 mins before the start and finish it no earlier than 15 minutes before the start. Do three short max efforts towards the end of the warm up.
When racing sit in on the climbs and spin to your max effort and then just as you get to the top of the climb stand up and go down a few gears, or up a chainring, and sprint until you get on top of that gear.
Tight corners are good places to overtake.
Don't slow down quite enough to get round then use the rider ahead, who has, as a crumple zone.
The usual xc whippet type I've seen seems to have trouble riding anything more technical than a field..
Yes, I thought perhaps my comment may not go down too well. 😀 Of course there are some very talented xc racers, but I've also seen a lot who are........not. There are of course also some technical races or sections in races.
Just saying, not all focus should be on fitness.
Ok, I'll leave now 🙂
The usual xc whippet type I've seen seems to [s]have trouble riding [/s] [b]make [/b]anything technical [b]look like [/b]a field.
corrected
Just saying, not all focus should be on fitness.
Ok, I'll leave now
Totally agree. What you want is some British Columbia XC racing. Hellish tech climbs and descents that make a UK DH track look like pump track.
It's definitely sound advice, XC races are won on the climbs and lost on the descents.
If you did a 29 minute lap at frith hill- you've got nothing to worry about 🙂
What cat were you in?
33min / 34min was enough for second place in Fun Male 😀
Perhaps move down a cat lol
I had my edge 800 on and it got plastered but was fine.
I took HR off of the main screen though...
I honestly didn't crash once although had to unclip up a few of the short sharp hills. I managed all of those big climbs at least once.
I'm kind of hoping the lap times set at frith hill in the morning were in very different conditions to those of the afternoon, or something has gone badly wrong in my riding (but thats not unlikely)!
As for the dropping a category thing, this is my first year of xc racing so I'm not qualified to really comment on others, but I picked the Open cat and have stuck with it as I thought it would be better to track progress. Others seem to move between close categories, like open and sport, depending on the series. My observation seems to be that this is based on where they will get the best race with similar level riders, rather than anything sinister, and the variable level of the categories at different events would seem to make that approach a good idea, more so maybe than my approach in terms of consistent races!
Really enjoying the local xc series' and +1 for the impressive riding skill of the good guys, on top of the fitness. Events like the xc Rampage, with no hills, really made it painfully obvious that fitness alone won't get you up there!
Owen, I've only raced three times. I did Gorrick @ Crowthorn last November and downgraded myself from Open to Fun male when I saw how quick everyone was 😀
I managed 20 something out of 60.
I then did xcRampage last weekend and obviously had to enter Open as its kind of the lowest cat and finished 18th- that cat felt fast.
So that kind of made my mind up to race Fun again at Frith Hill, which I did and finished 2nd lol
I had promised myself to move up if I finished top ten so looks like I'll be racing Open @ Crowthorn in November.
I didn't find xcRampage very technical because it was so dry??
Yeah the rampage races were great - not technical I would agree, but to ride the singletrack fast and consistently needed some good focus, without many places to really get on the pedals and just power away (not that powering away was in my range of options)!
Open at the rampage was faster than open at frith hill, imho. My best at the rampage was 4th, got 1st at frith, but noticed other guys in sport who have previously raced open, and who I would freely admit have been faster than me in recent races! Hard to decide, maybe just see what cat you fancy on the day!
Can't do the next gorrick, hope its a good one!
Well done you! The course wasn't pretty when I rode it- must have been even worse by your third lap!
I try to always just think about the guy in front and concentrate on getting on his wheel. Once there stay there and breathe - following is always easier through singletrack - then pass and then go for the next guy. Of course you have to be able to see the one in front so go like mad at the start to stay with someone. Just getting one overtake is like a win in most races!
Frith hill was pretty nasty in the morning for Masters, but I suspect it would have been far worse by the time you hit Open... I was way off the pace, but having pre entered, nursing a bit of a cold, I thought if do it anway for wet race experience... Thus I DID plod round steadily!
The biggest tip I'd give, (and I have noooo palmares to count as an authority) would be to really warm up- 10-15 mins exertions with some all- out efforts, followed by a break before the start. (Not easy to do when it's pissing it down)
Ok for the technical bit - from the OP
Don't ease off on the easier bits of the course. My riding of the technical bits is not good enough to make up more time on it.
I see plenty of XC guys in my part of the woods who are just roadies on mountain bikes - including some making the flappy hand signals when approaching some different gravel on fire roads, this is not saying everyone is like that but improving technical skills is a good idea for everyone.
This course from the spring series is similar to the one at the weekend, although a little drier 😀 Watch how crazily fast he is through the technical stuff! Certainly opened my eyes.
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Really? 😉
This course from the spring series is similar to the one at the weekend, although a little drier Watch how crazily fast he is through the technical stuff! Certainly opened my eyes.
Looks like a fun track to blast around and the rider was certainly fast. Impressive speed, but technically difficult? I'd say not, just a bit twisty.
But all out fitness seems to be what wins xc races and he seems to have plenty of that. 🙂
A lot of the normal open crowd were missing on Sunday, perhaps due to the weather. Unfortunately I 8Oam a vet who seem to be a hardier breed witness my 13th ex 35 would have placed 3rd in open
Looks like a fun track to blast around and the rider was certainly fast. Impressive speed, but technically difficult? I'd say not, just a bit twisty.
To be fair I'd agree, Gorrick courses aren't technical. Fun, but not technically difficult.
Let's put it this way. My riding is not good enough to know how to not keep going sideways in the bog and slither! Agree the course at Frith Hill was not super technical, but it was a bit like wacky races with the rain and clag/mud. Only bit I had trouble riding was a bombhole type thing with a big root at the exit. I think there may have been a little bit to gain if I'd ridden a practice lap. Not much in the rain though! I raced Sport, but was firmly at the back. Could have podiumed if I dropped a cat, but 4 laps is the way forward I reckon. You learn a lot more when you ride with the better guys even if your position in the race doesn't look good.
People dissing XC riders' technical ability are morons. The guys at the front in the XC races would definitely put a lot of the DH bikers I see on uplift days on big bikes in full DH gear to shame.
Dave, I don't think I'm ready to vomit over the bars yet, but I reckon I'll have you on the Mendips SS ride if I put the training in!
In your dreams sonny boy