[Closed] XC Hardtail Frame Only - Options?

New Trek Procaliber?

Litespeed 😆

Scott scale 910

https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mtb/grand-canyon/grand-canyon-cf-slx-frameset.html

Procaliber, too expensive, not sure the frame is compatible with my Stages?

Litespeed? get out

Scott Scale - not sure id ever buy a Scott, don't know why

KTM Myroon?

China?

Sounds like you want a Pinnacle, I'm sure Evans will sell you one for £1300. 🙄

Felt nine1. Normal bb, thru axle rear di2 compatible. 1100rrp

OP genuine question why spend £1,000 when there are so many good frames for £300-500 ? I can only think you want ultimate lightness but surely the extra £500-700 on finishing kit. My BFe was £2k and the frame was £300.

So if you are prepared to spend only £500 I'd suggest Cotic Solaris or Transition TransAm

Van Nicholas Zion

Rocky Mountain Vertex ?

Pivot les 29er? Sure I've seen them for £1400 somewhere

I saw a picture of a kingdom frame modified for di2. Maybe ask them what they can do.

Found it, [url= http://www.kingdombike.com/TheKingdom/?p=2945 ]here[/url].

Just an example, I'd think they could do it to any of their frames.

don't like Ti - that Felts just an open mould Chinese frame with 3x the mark up (and awful 12k graphic weave)

Pivot is on the list, Canyon looks alright

OP genuine question why spend £1,000 when there are so many good frames for £300-500 ?

I've already got a Krampus

seems a strange price point,

It's not a graphic weave on the felt.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/bikes-and-tech/6-reasons-felt-making-worlds-best-bikes_339460

Or blow the budget and get an Open!

there is an Open 0-1.1 available within budget

and...

its white 😆

Buy buy buy!

Just buy it!

why?

Selling a brand new, unridden, KTM Aera frame in a medium at the moment... It's a carbon 29er, weighs 1200g, RRP of £699... Bought it on a whim to go XC racing then abandoned the idea.

Yours for £425 frame only.

Kenesis ff29 is pretty fabulous. It will leave you with a lot of change as well. You get custom steel to your own spec.

The richer p29 is a pretty good frame as well. For carbon I would just buy a Chinese frame.

Because.

I have a small (15.5") 2015 trek superfly 9.6 for sale. Carbon, reba RL etc. used twice. £900? It's a full bike.

bump 😀

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Likes. Lots.

Awesome! A hair over budget though, no!?

£1355 from R2-bike, was in the Blow Out section, just waiting on a few bits, no rush, still not back on the bike

had to get the Di2 frame noggin direct from Open, and the Rotor GXP Adapter from Competitive Cyclist (shipping and import fees from them are mental!) Rotors UK Importers didn't even know the item existed and when i showed them they seemed to get all pissy saying "we have been the importers for 9 years and its not an item we've ever seen"

What No bolt thru rear, I mean really!

edit) - You paid £1355 for frame only!!?

Must have money to burn.

edit) - You paid £1355 for frame only!!?

hang on

i asked

at around a grand, maybe £1300 - frame only

then said

you said

i blame you

Lol, I like the frame, it's nice'ish but not £1355 nice.

Still as long as it wasn't a Litespeed ay 🙄

So enlighten us as to how much it weighs then fella?

Nice.

IMO those Opens are the nicest carbon mountain bikes on the market - lovely.

So enlighten us as to how much it weighs then fella?

1031g including mech hanger and Opens Seat Post Clamp - no water bottle bolts/headset/bb cable guide fitted

You tried one? Be interested to hear how it rides. It's been on and off my (admittedly fantasy) list but the old school geo currently has it off. Lovely looking frame though.

old school geo

Are we talking twitchy XC old skool, or rubbish 29er old skool?

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Can't afford it anyway.

Trying to decide if I want to swap my el-mariachi for something lighter, either that Pegasus in the classifieds, or one of the Chinese 29ers.

TINAS, I don't actually know. I've just taken a random comment on here as gospel and not actually looked at the figures myself 🙂

Lol, I like the frame, it's nice'ish but not £1355 nice.

Don't look at the retail price then.

TINAS, I don't actually know. I've just taken a random comment on here as gospel and not actually looked at the figures myself

I've concluded after buying and selling more bikes than I can actually remember that whilst I'm really picky about geometry and can detect small differences between frames, when it comes to actually riding them IDGAS and can ride round almost any problem. In fact I'd go as far as saying my liking for XC bikes, particularly 'bad' ones with 72deg HA's, 20" frames and 110mm stems, isn't because I want to ride/race XC, it's because I like the challenge compared to the more appropriate Hardcore HT or 120mm FS bikes with dropper posts which I should probably ride.

particularly 'bad' ones with 72deg HA's

this has a 72 degree head angle 😆

You tried one?

in 20 years I've never test ridden a bike, and i dread to think how many I've had, sometimes i make daft mistakes, bought a large Blur XCc once, and paid full retail for a Blur LTc frame 😆 😕

this has a 72 degree head angle

Post it to me and I'll dispose of it humanely, it's the only reasonable course of action under the circumstances.

Nice!

Rotors UK Importers didn't even know the item existed and when i showed them they seemed to get all pissy saying "we have been the importers for 9 years and its not an item we've ever seen"

This made me lol, LBS recently built one of these up and probably had the exact same conversation, he also had to show them the picture of the item he wanted as the got a bit huffy!!

Lovely frame, I couldn't believe how light it felt when I picked one up, feels like paper!

They are steep though, built up it certainly looked it, horses for courses.

haha

i asked about the part and the reply was

ROTOR don’t do a GXP compatible BB unfortunately.

when i sent a link to one on a US site he said

That may be so, but I’ve never seen one, and we have been the distributor for 9 years.

i told him his reply was almost rude and just becase he'd never seen one didn't mean it didn't exist

to which he sent

Sorry if you’re offended, didn’t mean to cause offence.
We’ve never had this BB, ROTOR have never told us they make one, so we wouldn’t carry on them in stock.
Why not try the US? They may be able to help?

great thanks, try the US, i didn't reply, if an importer cannot be arsed to check with the people they distribute for, for an item that exists, then they lose my sale

i admit, its a rare item but still, its a conversation they have clearly had more than once

i would have given you my canyon cf frame for free...it pish. Good choice..

1300 quid for the frame...will fit right in with the others in your (expensive) collection as i recall!

whats the build?

i would have given you my canyon cf frame for free...it pish. Good choice..

How come? I was considering the alu one.

Not sure its the frame or the entire bike, but it just doesn't excite in any way. Riding it feels like a chore..

For a 21lb race bike it feels cumbersonme and heavier than it is. I came from an anthem which was a great bike, something to enjoy. The Canyon feels like a tool rather than a toy..

I've only ridden it about 300 miles in 5 months which says it all...plan is to strip and try to source a carbon anthem frame in 29er variety, or push the boat out for a carbon tallboy.

edit...maybe I just don't like 29ers!

whats the build?

just doing a bit of a parts merry-go-round at the minute, i don't need 3x MTB's as its probably about 10% of my riding, but i don't want to get rid of any of them 😆

will be XX1/XTR Di2/Pro Tharsis Bars/Stem/Post - wheels not sure wether to get some 30x30mm far sports carbon clinchers, or move the ENVE ones across, they are a bitch to tubeless though, they are the old design ones, i don't think they were tubeless ready, needs the rim bed building to get them to seat, seems a faf and cannot justify another new pair,

forks? well i do have these in the cupboard 😆 😳

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i don't need 3x MTB's as its probably about 10% of my riding

will be XX1/XTR Di2/Pro

Does not compute???!!...that said if you can afford it go for it, lucky man indeed...

although not so if you fit those forks...they are god damn awful!

You're builds are always awesome! Look forward to the finished product 😀 .

If you're going no expense spared then I'd leave the Lauf well alone and look at a lefty, Sid or marz lcr carbon 320.

I don't give two hoots about angles etc, it's how it rides and I love riding my open - dirtyrider, hope you enjoy it as much I do mine, here are some pics to inspire the build.

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Lovely looking bikes! Rather expensive though 😯

thanks swedish and cokie.

They do look fast 🙂

Dirtyrider, how's the build going?

Aye come on you slack bar steward, why isn't this built yet?

tpbiker - Member
Not sure its the frame or the entire bike, but it just doesn't excite in any way. Riding it feels like a chore..

For a 21lb race bike it feels cumbersonme and heavier than it is. I came from an anthem which was a great bike, something to enjoy. The Canyon feels like a tool rather than a toy..

I've only ridden it about 300 miles in 5 months which says it all...plan is to strip and try to source a carbon anthem frame in 29er variety, or push the boat out for a carbon tallboy.

edit...maybe I just don't like 29ers!

And what size is this free canyon?
😆

I may even be willing to part cash for it ❓

Dirtyrider, how's the build going?

waiting on replacement ENVE Brass Nipples and some spokes, probably a couple of weeks off full build unfortunatley

Going full weight weenie on this one then? 😀 (besides the Di2 maybe)

I have an Open too. The head angle is steep – but it's an XC race bike. There are certain descents in the Peaks that make me feel nervous but that's probably due to a high seatpost combo. I've never been keen on the SID fork so plan to change over to a Fox when I find one at a good price. It's a beautiful bike tho.

Cubic - did you buy the full sus?

Mashie – I bought an Epic – I love it

Going full weight weenie on this one then? (besides the Di2 maybe)

nah, been there sort of done it,

is internal di2 heavier than mechanical? cannot be much in it, especially when run internally without that massive ****ing bottle mount battery thing

bump, half built this today and here come the problems,

rotor press fit GXP BB seems too wide when pressed in, not enough axle on the non-drive side, I've emailed Open see what they say, shitty GXP bb cost me an arm and a leg in customs fees,

plan was to use Pro Tharsis stuff, went great until the 3 port junction box, id planned to stash it in the steerer, however the carbon steerer is too thick and it doesn't go in 😆 stems not long enough for it to go inside - don't want to use the XTR display

will await the reply from Open and have a look at the junction issue in a couple of days

oh yer a pic, 7kg bang on as it stands, with standard heavy schwalbe tubes installed at the moment, missing a few bits of course, (bb, cranks, chain, pedals, front brake) - took the decals off the rims, fitted a single grey one, looks much better imho

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Finished your build yet dirtyrider?

Still toying with the idea of replacing my old Scandal 29er frame with something nice. It's over 1800g so could loose about half of that with a decent carbon frame. Did my first XC race over the weekend and I've already got an itch for something nicer 🙂

Just noticed the new [url= https://www.canyon.com/mtb/exceed/f-exceed-cf-slx.html ]Canyon Exceed[/url] frame only. 870g apparently. At 1500 euro it's very tempting. Then selected UK location and suddenly it's 1600 quid. HowTF did they work that one out?! I may query them and see if that's a genuine mistake. Can't be right surely?

not yet, just waiting on a BB from Open as i bought some M9000 cranks, looked odd having everything XTR and the Cranks XX1 😆

that Exceeds not available as a frame only until July 16,

strange that one of the builds has 2x10 XX on it 😕

that Exceeds not available as a frame only until July 16,

Balls 🙁

Just chatting to Canyon. The chap said the price doesn't look quite right. I suspect they'll fix the euro price!

That looks really well. You used the Lauf's yet and if so how are you finding them ? Really fancy putting a pair on the front of my wife's race bike, but she is resisting as they are 'ugly'.

Haha, spoke to Canyon, and indeed they now think it's the Euro price that's incorrect and it'll be corrected soon! Tempted to order one at that price for pick up even if it isn't ready till July.

its not built yet rsvktm

theres a large Open on eBay, new, from Bromley Bike,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Open-O-1-0-MTB-frame-/272031552734?hash=item3f565814de:g:cc0AAOSwo0JWM1L2

Cheers, didn't know if you had used them prior to this build. Only seem a pair in the flesh on the front of a fat bike, I really like the idea behind them but wifes not convinced.

ah no, new for this build

Staying well clear of that eBay link. Dangerous stuff!

bb arrived on 23/12

saddle already switched to a Fabric Alm Ultimate and I've not even ridden it 😆

just steerer and hoses to shorten

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Thunder burts and a lauf? Not for riding then! 😉

Looks great but not a spec I'd choose (don't those fabric saddles have a habit of snapping?)

Thunder burts and a lauf? Not for riding then!

perfect for Lincolnshire 8)

thats looks great, a quick switch to Rocket Ron's would make it ideal for winter. I thought about putting a lauf on my Open but decided against it - if one came up for sale second hand i may consider it.
The Fabric ALM is the best saddle i have ever put my backside on.