[Closed] Whyte Endura King and Queen of the Hill

Yo !

Making the drive up from MK on Friday, got the whole family in tire for a week in Peebles and the in laws there for race weekend

The last QECP Enduro showed me how ridiculously unfit id become, since our twins came along so I've been trying to squeeze in since evening/night rides

Still out of shape tho so it's gonna be about just making it round for me !

Weather is b liking much better than when I was last up for Vallelujah

Kimbers: Weather is b liking much better than when I was last up for Vallelujah

That wouldn't be hard!

I will be their

I do not know what trails are in BUT, from having an educated guess at [url=file://mmb1/ROOTFS1/NashT102/_DefaultSave/Persona/Downloads/Common_Forest_and_Elibank_and_Traquair_Forest_20_08_16.pdf]this document[/url]....

- Repeat Offender
- Bonar or Waterworld
- The Classic
- Mince Baby Mince
- Some DH track mix

However, they will be out marking all week so please don't run the volunteers over! I expect the riders pack might come out soon, please don't ride any trails they say are closed for marking! Gutted I am not racing this one 🙁

I heard rumours yesterday much along the lines as Tom above has said, I went down Boner yesterday and it was horrendous, like a skating rink, although Ive heard Boner is in Ive a feeling it could be a red herring and waterworld will be used, at least theres some grip there wet or dry (as far as I can remember, not been down since EWS)

There's a new start to the classic cutting out the old swamp-of-pedalling so that seems like a clue (it's not the same when it starts at the red)

Im trying to figure where the classic is again although Im sure Ive been down it, is it the trail that was in EWS,down red Plora Craig then off down the black onto some off piste?....forget that, just checked 🙂

We are going up for the weekend. Hope the weather holds out

doubledunter - Member

Im trying to figure where the classic is again although Im sure Ive been down it, is it the trail that was in EWS,down red Plora Craig then off down the black onto some off piste?....forget that, just checked

Yah, that's basically the bottom half- there's a really nice trail immediately above with woodsy swoops and rocks and that, but above [i]that[/i], was a character forming pedal/ruts/mud section from right up at the top of the dh (the muddy streak that goes out on the left) It's pretty overgrown now, I don't think many folks apart from me are daft enough to ride it.

eye'll bee they're to.

I'll be there. First time back in Scotland since Vallelujah in march. If it rains I'm going to struggle in the golfie. The trails there are a different beast than the one's in Glentress and Cademuir. I so hope it stays dry

Riders notes available on Tweedlove website now
http://tweedlove.com/events/2016-event-info/king-and-queen-of-the-hill-scottish-open-champs-2016

I've heard it's the IXS track on the inners side. That'll be fun if it rains

I am unable to compete in this event so if you know anyone who might be interested in taking my place please let me know. Thanks.

Was down at the Golfie tonight, but hadn't ridden any of the suspected suggestions. Really dry in places, squelchy in others but expect weather this week will dry things out further. Showery Rain forecast for weekend at the moment, though that could change. Still expect it to be drier than the International was though! (Crosses fingers)

Hmmmm weather looks good for this week, but heavy rain for Saturday

Full on maxis shorty up front time?

I'd just like a race in Scotland where it w was actually dry for once!

I think France for me next year, tho last time I did that was the Mega mud bath edition

Could be interesting with this forecast, give it a week to dry it out then a day to drown it 😆 Inners grip is different to normal grip, it'd maybe have got dry enough to go crumbly and horrific as it sometimes does. But this'll be too far on the other side, could be slick, could be sticky, who knows?

I'm not racing but, shorty and dhr2 imo. Might be overkill but it'll work if it's drier anyway.

kimbers - Member

I'd just like a race in Scotland where it w was actually dry for once!

First ever King and Queen was[i] horrendously[/i] hot. And if I ever get skin cancer I'll say "ah, that's from the first SES at Laggan. Totes worth it"

The devil in me is hoping it's wet. I rode a couple of the rumoured stages on sunday, and they were greasy. A few sections where it was a choice between maintaining speed with little control, or retaining control and speeding up 😀

Shame I can't race it

1400m of climbing is a big day out (x2), and they usually understate the actual final climbing. My rear shock packed in last weekend so I'm out unfortunately but I'll be down on Sunday shooting pictures.

If it's wet enough, the natural trails will cut their way down to bedrock (that's an actual comment from an optimist at an innerleithen race, immediately before Lone Wolf turned into a rut 40 feet deep and 2.35 inches wide)

[quote=Northwind ] immediately before Lone Wolf turned into a rut 40 feet deep and 2.35 inches wide)

Possibly my most miserable day on a bike!

BoardinBob - Member

I've heard it's the IXS track on the inners side. That'll be fun if it rains

The IXS is great fun dry or wet, that'll be the last thing you have to worry about 8)

It cant be any wetter than the Easter one. Can it 😀

Well, yes, it can Tracey, but hopefully not as cold!

Tracey - Member 
It cant be any wetter than the Easter one. Can it

 

We keep telling Abigale its character building

In that case my character should be huuuuge!

(it isn't 🙁 )

at least at Vallelujah it was cold enough to ride in your watewrproof all day im a sweaty bloke so its going to be unpleasant this weekend!

now where did i put that extra mudguard?

Shorty's all the way for me, been well impressed with them in any conditions. They just make the bike do what you tell it to (within my abilities :-/ )

Heading down tonight for a wee practise. Would be a shame if it pees down on Saturday - joking aside, it just seems to be the way for Tweed endures.

kimbers - Member

at least at Vallelujah it was cold enough to ride in your watewrproof all day im a sweaty bloke so its going to be unpleasant this weekend!

There are creatures out there that are perfectly evolved to thrive in these situations, we should learn from the animal kingdom. Bunny rabbit suit, is what I'm saying.

Shorty / DHR2 is my stock combo on the 'off piste' living here; if its a real mess then Shorty / Shorty 😛

We'll be at Inners tonight, Shorty/Minion SS is the new best combo 🙂

Shorty ordered for the front.... hopefully it won't drag too much on the transition stages

The [url= http://tweedlove.com/onthehillside/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/KQOTH-RIDERS-COURSE-MAP-INFO.pdf ]Course Map[/url] is out

STAGE 1: Mince Baby Mince: 1.2km/-170m
STAGE 2: Inners Face Mash Up: 1.4km/-314m
STAGE 3: Repeat Offender: 1.1km/-272m
STAGE 4: Jawbone/Walk or Burn: 1.5km/-258m
STAGE 5: The Classic (Demi-Plora version) 1.3km/-212m

Course Maps are out!

1: Mince Baby Mince - never ridden that, sounds challenging. how does it compare to Pre and post spacker?

2: Inners Face mashup: - looks like it will use bits of the downhill trails

3: Repeat Offender - same as EWS 2015, I think?

4: Jawbone/Walk or Burn - was going to be Boner but re-aligned on basis of weather forecasts, so now the same as the International Stage in May of this year.

5: The Classic (Demi Plora Version) - so large bits of what was used in EWS 2015, but with the new top bit that Northwind referred to earlier?

Thoughts on tyres? I have a Maxxis Shorty for the front (which looks like it will do the biz) but couldn't decide on the rear so sticking with something in my existing stock. I've got a choice of:

On One Chunky Monkey (Dual 50/42a)
On One Smorgasbord (Dual 60/42a)
Kenda Nevegal (sticky compound)
Continental Mountain King 2.2 ( 🙂 I jest, useless tyres!)

I've put the Chunky Monkey on as I think it will clear mud better than the Nevegal. However, shops are open so might be able to get something else today. Thoughts?

[I] Mince Baby Mince - never ridden that, sounds challenging. how does it compare to Pre and post spacker?[/I]

Nowhere near as bad/steep/harsh, tight though.

The Inners Mash Up should be steep, as it's the steepest face of Inners.

[i]The Classic (Demi Plora Version) - so large bits of what was used in EWS 2015, but with the new top bit that Northwind referred to earlier? [/i]

Doesn't look like it, seems to start where the black turns off Plora.

Thanks, b r. How would you say that Mince Baby Mince compares to the Golfie trails - eg Community Service?

Is MBM similar to Alistair Lees?

[quote=b r ] Mince Baby Mince - never ridden that, sounds challenging. how does it compare to Pre and post spacker?
Nowhere near as bad/steep/harsh, tight though.

Absolutely brilliant track. As you said, not steep but tough to keep momentum up. So nadgery. Great fun. Wee preview of the bottom section

[quote=myopic ]Thanks, b r. How would you say that Mince Baby Mince compares to the Golfie trails - eg Community Service?

Way flatter. In fact there's a fair few wee climbs in it!

The Inners Mash Up should be steep, as it's the steepest face of Inners.

Nah it's just the standard DH stuff by the look of it, possibly even just using the Tunnel by the straightness of the line on the map. At least S5 isn't the full slog of Plora Craig (not that I'm even going). Maybe not the most exciting course though?

Thanks, Bob 🙂

[quote=legend ]The Inners Mash Up should be steep, as it's the steepest face of Inners.
Nah it's just the standard DH stuff by the look of it, possibly even just using the Tunnel by the straightness of the line on the map. At least S5 isn't the full slog of Plora Craig (not that I'm even going). Maybe not the most exciting course though?

Does seem strange that being based around Walkerburn something like Pony wasn't in. I'm guessing there's a gentleman's agreement with the trail builders that only certain trails will get used (on the Golfy side) in races as the same ones get used a lot. Off the top of my head, these have been used multiple times

3G
Repeat
Lone Wolf
Jawbone
Walk or Burn
Old School DH

And used once

Community Service
Splash and Dash
Final Fling
Flat White

Few ones that have never been used though

Aussie Rules
Pump House
Boner
Nae Spleens
No Social
Pony

Does seem strange that being based around Walkerburn something like Pony wasn't in

Not gonna lie, **** delighted to see Pony isn't being used!

Useful preview BB! Is the Upper section similar?

[quote=jimmy ]Useful preview BB! Is the Upper section similar?

Yip

[quote=legend ]Does seem strange that being based around Walkerburn something like Pony wasn't in
Not gonna lie, **** delighted to see Pony isn't being used!

The push alone would be horrific!

We have arrived. Think the rain got here before us. Was fancying an evening ride but not in this. May venture out tomorrow 😀

I'm going to make a gues here that S5's been run the way it does to minimise closures, it doesn't make much sense otherwise but running it this way, they don't need to shut that whole chunk of the red.

Gah! About Jawburn, I was planning to ride that tomorrow! Waterworld it is...

those stages will have no impact on the Red at all, maybe that's part of the 'deal'

Yup. I like a big stage but tbh the classic starting on the red has always felt a bit weird, that used to be the middle "take a breather before the good bit" section.

Settled in at the pods at Glentress and looking forward to it , just went for a quick spin up to the buzzards nest and back down the red . Warm and wet is how its best described at the moment . Family joining me tomorrow so hope the weather picks up a bit , forecast for sunday seems ok .
Cant be as wet as vallelujah ....can it ?

same ones get used a lot.

I think some people did a Bad Thing and now we can't have nice things...

Just chatting with a pal and we reckon driving past the car park etc a second time to climb BACK up In Inners will sort out the boys/men 🙂

Full Enduro bingo on the go. Who was it in fluoro-enduro gear, bouncing a fluoro-machine round the school car park before pronouncing "It feels so lively!!".

Well that was tough

Good fun, but rather wet !

Yeah that felt like a big day out in its own right .managed 1 and 2 before the rain came while I was on the Golfie climb . Almost called it a day back at the car but decided to push on and do 5 , had a bit of a moment on 5 where I couldn't understand what the hell I was doing and was almost ready to sell the bike and give up entirely . Now I have had a cup of tea and a Chinese I feel a lot more positive , although ask me again on my way up to 5 tomorrow and I might be for chucking it again .
Felt pretty quiet today , I wonder if some never bothered

Well at least its a half decent forcast for tomorrow. Managed to cook the fajitas outside and can see some blue sky on the horizon.

Having sampled a few of the stages today, if it does stay dry, tomorrow is going to be a sticky slidey mudfest 😀

I got lost on the top between 3 and 4 !!

Found all the steep stuff hard work today, lack of riding this year is really hurting my confidence.
Fish and chips dispatched

I'm off to bed, really hoping the babies sleep thru tonight !

Just got in bed and its raining on the roof of the van again. 😥

Not racing but it was a bit wet today eh 😆 My group got waterlogged and called it a day earlier but I've not often seen so much water on inners trails. Good luck tomorrow everyone!

Not bothered* riding today as it's going to be completely different tomorrow and there's no point scaring myself rigid in the rain. OK?

*As in, I ran away from the torrential rain. I'm not proud but I have no need of pneumonia in my life right now.

No surprise, that was muddy. Walk or Burn and lower Classic particularly bad, but overall good fun. MBM was good, as was RO. Props the guy who came hammering down the last stretch of RO drawing woohs from the crowd, only to discover he had no rear tyre...

Yeah was a lot of mud surprisingly grippy and by stage 2 I was enjoying it 100x more than yesterday, tho didn't stop me crashing on nearly every stage, OTB on jawbone left me struggling to get my brake lever out of my shoe.
Was nice to finish in sunshine, even if I was absolutely shagged

Yeah, burger in the sun made it all good.

Well that was better than yesterday , really enjoyed 1 2 and 3 and top of 4 , crashed on the steep part of walk or burn and couldn't get going again . 5 was hard as I was pretty knackered and just holding on really . Felt pretty pleased just to finish that one , great event and will definitely be back next year

Just got back home. Another great event organised by the Tweedlove team. Thanks to everyone who made it happen. Just need to hose everything down now.

Really enjoyed that, but found Stage 4 tough! The rest were all great, but by the time I got to the bottom half of stage 5 the mud was so churned up and sticky I was really struggling.

Kudos to the maniac that did it on a downhill bike with boxxers 8)

Slightly less kudos to the guy I heard screaming on stage 2 "Rider coming in hot" as he caught someone. 😆

the guy I heard screaming on stage 2 "Rider coming in hot"

Maybe they'd left their waterproof on? It was a lot warmer on Sunday