[Closed] Why's no one buying my frame!?

It's too expensive.

hth.

It's niche, and it's too expensive. Quite a few examples on here of ti frames failing, I'd not want to buy one for £1000 with no warranty.

To be honest, if you've bought the bike cheap to strip the parts from then people will still see it as an expensive 'second hand' frame even if it had never had a wheel turned under it. I had the same thing with my bike- I bought to strip for parts- but just ended up putting it back together and loving it.

Lovely frame. Bit niche. A lot of cash. Also I'd be wondering why you are selling a brand new unused frame. And I'd have concerns over not having a warranty too spending that much on a SH frame.

1k is alot of money without a warranty. I'm guessing the frame you are selling is a warranty-replacement itself..

Just like I (personally) wouldn't pay 1.5k for a secondhand Santa Cruz carbon frame.

Everyone is waiting on 651b.

...personally, I wouldn't buy it due to Cove's persistence in using [i]hilarious[/i] blow job puns.

[i]Everyone is waiting on 651b. [/i]

Except for crime fiction fans who are only interested in 221b.

The warranty is worth at least half the RRP of any ti frame.

Try it at £650.

Except for crime fiction fans who are only interested in 221b.

No shit, Sherlock.

Have you not heard of the 26" renaissance? For Gods sake keep up man!

650 is just, like, soooooooooooooooooo last week

Its not brand new. Its second hand. No warranty. Pretty niche. Quite expensive to start with. I'd expect close to that off if buying actually new from a proper shop for last years model.

I know a man who's had his eye on it for a few weeks and told me he would snap it up if the price drops a bit further. He was slightly drunk at the time, but he's had a Hummer before and currently rides a Soda, so I think he is fairly serious.

I don't like that it can take 650b and Wagon wheels
One or tother please, there shouldn't be compromises at this price point.
Even with the funny dropouts that will be a gate with 650b wheels

I'm out

Also, I know why a shop would be selling a brand new frame, but why are you? Might want to put the reason for sale in the advert.

Bottom line is, you're going to have to take a bigger hit than you would like. The sooner you accept this, and drop the price, the sooner you'll sell it.

Supply and Demand.... Only worth what people are willing to pay for it

Gate like? Looks pretty good to me...

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Still a risky buy for a grand.

Bottom line is, you're going to have to take a bigger hit than you would like. The sooner accept this and drop the price, the sooner you'll sell it.

Are you new here? I think you'll find that the correct procedure is to repeatedly post it up, ad bloody nauseam, at exactly the same price, so that its a daily fixture on the classifieds page, with zero interest from anyone, as its value plummets even further from the one you wanted in the first, place, which you're are less and less likely to get with each daily re-post.

Anyone know where I could get some second hand, worn,red anodised Race Face cranks? I'd like to pay about 2 quid less than they cost new, preferably

Do your research, Jamie
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/fs-cove-hummer-650b-2#post-6396574

it seems he didn't actually "pay" new price for it...

Are you new here? I think you'll find that the correct procedure is to repeatedly post it up, ad bloody nauseam, at exactly the same price, so that its a daily fixture on the classifieds page, with zero interest from anyone, as its value plummets even further from the one you wanted in the first, place, which you're are less and less likely to get with each daily re-post.

To be honest, regardless of what I posted, I do hope the above is what actually happens.

Amusingly, it seems to be going up in price.

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Do your research, Jamie

That'll teach me for only looking at the last 4 times he posted it.

NO but i know where you can get an unused XTR cassette for £3 cheaper than CRC new with a £5 to post

Your welcome

I wouldn't buy it due to Cove's persistence in using hilarious blow job puns

Tis very nice though.

Also, I know why a shop would be selling a brand new frame, but why are you? Might want to put the reason for sale in the advert.

Bottom line is, you're going to have to take a bigger hit than you would like. The sooner you accept this, and drop the price, the sooner you'll sell it.

And the fact it's a replacement for a damaged one (albeit a different wheelsize) does little to make me want to fork out a whole chunk on a replacement without that backup!

Furry muff

ha ha I hadn't realised I had put the price up! Just been copy/pasting from my desktop

Yes it's a warranty frame. Only selling as I find them too short in the top tube

Bol, maybe your friend can mail me an offer if interested?

I agree about the warranty is worth a fair bit but lets be honest, IF it did crack it wouldn't cost much to get welded.

oh and Jamie...anything posted in classifieds drops off in to the depths within a couple of hours! Don't have much choice

I agree about the warranty is worth a fair bit but lets be honest, IF it did crack it wouldn't cost much to get welded.

A couple of hundred, most of what you're offering as a discount, and then it's a repaired frame. Why wouldn't you just buy one new? Particularly as many people will likely be able to negotiate a discount anyway, list price is almost immaterial.

IF it did crack it wouldn't cost much to get welded.

I'm just going to put this out there, but I don't think you're one of life's natural salesman.

IF it did crack it wouldn't cost much to get welded.

you've got to understand many people wouldn't repair/ride it.

I've ridden a fair few years and if a frame cracked I'd just hang it up. Mucho frames out there and why risk it/go to the expense?

The problem is..... it may be new but it doesn't look any newer than my 6 year old Soda. That's the beauty of Ti - its ageless.

....which begs another question - how do we know for sure you haven't ridden it 😉

Aracer...I did pay new price. It broke, I got a new one

It's you guys saying it's going to crack Jamie!

I think if you tried to sell it for whatever the frame it was a warranty replacement for was worth then you might have more luck, rather than basing the price on 'new' value (which doesn't reflect that you had use out of the original frame for the price you paid).

I agree totally with wwaswas on this.

As a serial buyer and then (sometimes) seller of frames -usually a sucker for something a bit different on the bike front at least-I would expect to get about half the new price, 60% max, even if it is completely unused as in your situation and accept that you (presumably) got some good use from the original, good service from Cove to get a replacement and look forward to the new bike.

OR wait for the elusive buyer who may eventually turn up willing to pay what you hope -it happens- but be patient.

Everyone I know who's had one, they've cracked, a couple of people have had 2 of them crack (I think one had 3).

You cracked one too, unfortunately the internet knows this. A titanium Cove without a warranty is a bit of an expensive gamble.

Sorry. Obviously, my opinion, etc etc. 😕

£1k is a lot of money, even for a cracking BJ.

I love these threads,

OP pitches
Posters reply with some (perhaps slightly overly) tough love
OP argues with posters
Posters argue back

Someone eventually points out if you didn't want to hear the truth then the OP shouldn't of asked.

Someone else points out that this could be a covert way of bumping the sale exposure (mandatory /tinfoilhat emote)

Someone digs into posters history to find out he actually stole it from a childs pram 6 months ago and has been hammering Ft Bill on it ever since.

OP goes quiet.

Thread dieds.

It's not a new frame. It may be unused, but it's still 2nd hand, just in very good condition. £1k and no warranty - no chance.

Either drop the price (significantly) or try a long listing with BIN on eBay, if people are looking for one they're more likely to find it that way and you'll get a wider audience.

£1k is a lot of money, even for a cracking BJ

*stifles laugh*

Wonder if that guy ever sold the Curtis SS with the carbon fork and stuff.

Cheaper than getting married...

Anyway overpriced and I didn't even look at the price.

So just so I'm clear...

I buy a new car for 10K
I drive it for a year, put 12K miles but crash it so insurance gives me a new one as less than a year old
I sell the brand new car to wwaswas for 7k...because I'm such a charitable chap

...or is it different for bikes?

chakaping - Member
Wonder if that guy ever sold the Curtis SS with the carbon fork and stuff.

I assumed that's what this thread was for until clicking on it.... 🙂

...or is it different for bikes?

[i]I sell the brand new car to wwaswas for 7k...because I'm such a charitable chap

...or is it different for bikes? [/i]

I'd expect you to get 'trade price' for the replacement car selling it privately. Which would be at least 40% off the new retail one.

The bike's probably in the same category.

Seriously, put it on eBay BIN with "best offer", you're not going to talk anyone here round.

...or is it different for bikes?

Warranties are transferable on cars. they're not (usually) on bikes.

As such, a one day old car is almost identical to a properly brand new one and even they get a fairly worthwhile discount because they've had one previous owner.

Your frame is like buying a brand new TVR without any warranty - beautiful to look at but you'd be mad to buy it unless you've got deep pockets given that there's a good chance it'll go wrong and you'll have to pay all repair bills yourself.

Cars also have transferable warranties - it's tied to the car not the owner. Bike warranties are usually tied to the owner.

£1k is a lot of money, even for a cracking BJ.

*cough* virgin BJ

I looked at it & reckoned about £650. Too small for me though & I also don't like the BJ puns! At least you're getting some free advertising/exposure for it! 😉

Your post up there is about right, buy a 10k car new, drive it off the forecourt and it's probably worth about 7k.

chakaping - Member

The warranty is worth at least half the RRP of any ti frame.

+1

American-made titanium xc frames do not have the greatest reputation for longevity. (cba to google but i am assuming hummers still are made by the people who made all the ones that cracked). Cove/the distributor only warranty it to original purchaser/owner. A grand is a lot to pay for a frame that you might have to spend a couple of hundred more on getting repaired and have an even worse resale value because of this. I would sooner pay [s]£1300 on a brand-new-to-me one and get it repaired for no unexpected extra cost, or even replaced with a shiny new one.[/s] [edit] actually £1600 is significantly more than i have ever paid for a whole bike not a hardtail frame, sod that. [/edit]

On the other hand a new-but-secondhand nicolai (for example both in failure rate and warranty) with whatever was left of the transferrable warranty since date of purchase, now that would be a different thing altogether.

So just so I'm clear...

I buy a new car for 10K
I drive it for a year, put 12K miles but crash it so insurance gives me a new one as less than a year old
I sell the brand new car to wwaswas for 7k...because I'm such a charitable chap

As said, would you expect to get 10k for the 'new' replacement car, assuming that's what you paid from a main dealer? Why would anyone buy privately for the same as the pay from a retailer. And that includes a warranty!

As has already been said, It is only 'worth' what someone is willing to pay for it.

Someone my want it so much they think it's worth £950 to them. I have been in that situation, where there was a frame that I had always wanted so I paid more than most would think sensible for one in my size when it came up for sale, but for me I was happy with my new bike, the seller may have wanted more to begin with but he at least had a sale, and I know full well I would get less than half what I paid if I decided to sell it.

There, more tough love, but then I was a teacher once, old habits die hard.

Clearly this is all nonsense about it being too expensive. I expect it's the wrong colour or something.

The bj sticker will come off in your hand if you're careful fnar

The car analogy doesn't work, if you write a car off and get given a new one you get a) a new car with a new full warranty period and b) a transferable warranty. If your car goes pop and you get given a new one instead or fixing (theoretically) then you still have a transferable warranty.

The car analogy doesn't work, if you write a car off and get given a new one you get a) a new car with a new full warranty period and b) a transferable warranty. If your car goes pop and you get given a new one instead or fixing (theoretically) then you still have a transferable warranty.

But in the OP's slightly sarcy reply he seems to think he'd get the same amount for the replacement as he'd paid from a dealer...

list price is almost immaterial...

I believe that money is immaterial and a scheme cooked up by thieving arabs only after our camels.

I'll offer you five gold beads, a native American head dress and 4 acres of land in Saudi Arabia*.

Do we have a deal?

*It should be noted that I also don't believe in land ownership, so this 4 acres can be anywhere you please.

I don't know why I like these threads so much. The OP would never dream of buying a used frame for new money but somehow thinks everyone else will jump at the chance.

I don't know why I like these threads so much. The OP would never dream of buying a used frame for new money but somehow thinks everyone else will jump at the chance.

I think, as [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/whys-no-one-buying-my-frame#post-6438061 ]plyphon[/url] pointed out, it's a dance as old as time. And we all find comfort in the familiar.

Adjustable Dropout System - Can Take 650B or 29" Wheels

Bloody stupid idea! Handling in both will inherently be a compromise in both or really awful in one.

If it's any help I seriously looked at your frame for sale but wouldn't buy it for the following reasons at the price you wanted
They are known to crack, no warranty on it for me as a second hand purchaser and wayyy too much money to risk.
Based on the above known issues, it's just way to expensive IMO.
If it had been half the price, I may have taken a punt on it snapping under my 17 odd stones and just put it down to experience or get it fixed if possible but I would have accepted that as being the risk and probably not ridden it where I would take my Stiffee.
As it was I took a punt on a second hand 2014 little used Boardman Pro 29er for £600. Ridden it...it's okay...but it's not got that Ti ride quality ( I have a Ti road bike and love it).
My point in bike naming is that had it been priced at a level that the likes of me would have been tempted it would have sold by now.
Sorry it's not the answer your looking for but there it is.

I love these threads,

OP pitches
Posters reply with some (perhaps slightly overly) tough love
OP argues with posters
Posters argue back

Someone eventually points out if you didn't want to hear the truth then the OP shouldn't of asked.

Someone else points out that this could be a covert way of bumping the sale exposure (mandatory /tinfoilhat emote)

Someone digs into posters history to find out he actually stole it from a childs pram 6 months ago and has been hammering Ft Bill on it ever since.

OP goes quiet.

Thread dieds.

For ****s sake, there is a space after each comma.

The last sentence is missing a couple of commas as well and I was waiting for someone to bite. Good try though 🙂

Surely then some one posts something completely irrelevant

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Muppets? This place is full of them, very relevant.

Does anyone know where I could find a 2014 Cube Stereo 160 Super HPC SL 27.5??

TIA

I suspect you are struggling to sell it for the same reason Cove struggle to sell bikes (hardly that popular are they) as they are overpriced and bloody plain or ugly. Warranty is an issue too!

Muppets? This place is full of them, very relevant.

They're not muppets.

Muppet.

£1000 and a warranty

http://kingdombike.com/en/ti_bike/2015-vendetta-2

That is a lovely looking bike.

Quality that will last a lifetime
(Next line)
'Two year warranty'

****in short life isnt it?

Very short and getting shorter.That 2 year warranty becomes a 1 year defect warranty by the time you look on the specification tab.

So if you're going to kill it, kill it quickly, as the warranty is worthless anyway? Unless it's this one without the warranty? Even though he's done ok, he must have got lucky. By snapping it quickly. So he's cutting his own throat selling it below RRP. Unless he isn't. Or something.....

Anyway..... I think what's needed here is not non-muppets, but Oolong the rabbit with a pancake on his head

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Not what I'd call a pancake.

Looks more like a flattened crumpet.

Drop scones.

Dual wheel size, neither of which is 26", and we've not yet had one of these?

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Drop scones = pancakes, best served with salted butter. Om nom..
Those leathery thin big southern things normally rolled with mank like lemon juice and chocolate = not pancakes. Crepes at best!

😉

Oolong the rabbit best served in a stew with dumplings, not pancakes. 🙂

1yr actual warranty- your right. In the T&Cs no detail on the 'crash lifetime'. I wonder which Chinese firm knocks these out? Quite fancy one direct.

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