[Closed] Why normal women don't cycle...

Is it only freaky women that cycle?

It's just a uk issue in Europe women cycle as much as men

Men are far more likely to be involved in accidents than women.

Mmmmmmkay...,

Read the title and wanted to say "Oi!" .... Read the article and thought "that makes soooo much sense". Thanks for that op - it's all true!
Great post!

Normal women don't cycle, only above-average ones.

Kuco - Member
Is it only freaky women that cycle?

Nup, just the hot ones... 🙂

The real reason for a lot of women...

They will be judged by their peers.

Glosses over this nicely:

Many of the fatalities involving cyclists happen in collisions with a heavy goods vehicle (HGV). This year, seven of the eight people killed by lorries in London have been women.
Considering that women make only 28% of the UK's cycling journeys, this seems extremely high.

Because it's either freezing cold or raining, and they don't wish to be paraplegic or in an early grave.

It's not rocket science is it?

I think a lot of women have a fear of sweating in public, I could be wrong though.

Normal women don't cycle, only above-average ones.

How [i]you[/i] doin'? 😉 😆

Read this today and it really annoyed me. Talking about getting involved with cycling organisations. If cycling is ordinary and commonplace you don't need to get involved in an organisation. I used public transport today, I didn't join a club first. I walked across town, I didn't feel the need to join or consult the Ramblers to do that either, or to emulate the very successful British Athletics team. I didn't even wear a funny hat or request that showers were provided at the far end. I managed the risk of death by cars and lorries by not attempting to share roadspace with them. I suspect this would work when cycling too.

Absolute shittte the real reason is it messes up their hair and makeup. Without these two things they are hideous creatures. Would your missus leave the House without makeup on? No way, mine wouldn't.. they scare little kids.

michaelmcc - Member
I think a lot of women have a fear of sweating in public, I could be wrong though.

With the highest BMI in Europe, I don't think it's restricted to just sweating in public.

One female friend of mine who has taken up cycling recently just got her first podium placing in a road race this weekend, she's only been doing it a year or so. But then one of her other hobbies is ninjutsu, so she's not really a typical lass. I keep expecting to hear that she's eviscerated a minicab driver for cutting her up or something...

Too many women are aphysical. I made this word up to mean they are against physical activity. Often I hear women say so and so is a lesbian because she does sports or has a physically active job. An idea that physical activity and prowess is masculine while inert beauty is feminine. Who created these ideas; who propagates them and who fights back? One remark I heard from a woman about Lizzie Armistead when she won Olympic silver was about how "pretty she looked even as she was straining to win". I despair. Rise up women; rise up!

Bike shops really are, on the whole, unreconstructed 70s forgotten worlds.
Last year my SO wanted a new frame to upgrade. She phoned the bike shop, she spoke to a helpful lady who then spoke to the importers and ended up doing a pretty good deal on a current year top end frame with 1/3rd off because it was XS. We drove up to the shop and she spoke to one of the guys to say that she was up to collect her new frame. The bloke ignored everything she said and only spoke to me. I turned to him and said "she's spending £1,600, it's her money, her choice - why not speak to her because she's the one that wants it and the one who's going to tell all her friends to avoid your shop because you're misogynists". Strangely enough it went down quite badly.
We're unlikely to go back there again.

Forgetting for a minute the huge steriotyping in the article (hair,makeup,looking good etc,etc ),I think the real reason may be this.

But many more don’t cycle because they don’t really see how it can fit into their everyday lives

I have been cycling for so long now that I have almost forgotton how much planning it takes to fit cycling in with a busy family life.

I have been cycling for so long now that I have almost forgotton how much planning it takes to fit cycling in with a busy family life.

Maybe this is part of the problem? I remember a time when I'd just hop on a bike and go. Nowadays it takes me an hour to get ready. We've made cycling far too complicated.

I have cycled lots all my life and it just fits, in fact if anything it makes my commute quicker.

But its an outside looking in thing, girls (and im sure some blokes too) imagine it to be far harder to take it up and do it proficiently.

As for the hair and beauty aspect you'd be surprised where you find showers. Public showers in Sheffield city center with hair driers are only 20p. Why this never gets promoted during bike week etc confuses me (and I have mentioned it to the organisers). I no longer use them as after some pestering we got some installed at work.

And we are included increasingly a society that has to have all the gear when they embark on a new hobby - and price the idea out of their reach before they've even tried it.

MrsBuoy isn't normal by any stretch of the imagination and she won't cycle in that Lunnon. She's of the opinion that life's too short to be squished by a truck. I think she's missing out, but hey....

You don't need showers, special clothing or anything fancy to cycle to work in the average city.

I lived in Copenhagen for 6 months, and while there were plenty of lycra clad riders enjoying the roads at the weekend, there were far more ordinary people just riding to work (or from the station to work, or to the station from home) in their normal day-to-day clothes.

The biggest difference (OK, so it is flat too) is that that cycling somewhere is *normal* and not just the preserve of the weird.

Hang on... What about the underlying assumption here that normal men cycle? As far as I can tell, only weirdos cycle.

No you dont have to wear cycling clothes but the reasons I do are; invariably the weather is in the wet side, I tend to wear tailored dresses and pencils skirts to work, and even if you wore jeans they do wear out quickly when you ride in them all the time. So I always opt for lycra.

As for the shower, I would have one in the morning anyway but im happy to get up get dressed brush my teeth and then shower when I get in - saves my heating cost too and when all 4 of my kids were at home it was far easier than waiting for the bathroom to be free. I always sweat loads on my ride in - obviously sheffield is not flat but also I do like to ride quickly. I wouldn't be happy to sit in sweaty clothes all day

aP - Member

Bike shops really are, on the whole, unreconstructed

went with mrs antigee to buy a new road bike as she wanted to do some alpine summits with her friend who lives in france - this is what we told guy in shop - who started to pull out a range of hybrids - had also told guy had a commuter bike that was wsd so would prefer a wsd road bike - i said we should leave

this is a shop (co-op) that says in literature that they try to meet the need of the other 50% of the population - albeit with assumptions on what is good for them - i know shops vary depending on who you get but was a bit annoyed at assumption

Where are the showers in Sheffield centre?

My girlfriend rides but only for the fresh air and views, anything technical she prefers to avoid for fear she'll hurt herself, which is a fair reasoning

When I lived in France I took a GF bouldering at Fontainbleau, it was the first time she had ever tried it and afterwards she confessed that some of the postures necessary for climbing were not the sort she was accustomed to adopting. She said it felt strangely liberating once she'd got used to the idea of using her limbs and her body.

I would guess that most of the women in my office would have similar inhibitions about getting astride a bike and certainly a huge problem with the getting dressed arrangements on arrival. Even I struggle if I ride the 21 miles to work; I have to drive in with the bike, ride home in the evening leaving the next day's clothes in the car then ride back the next morning, dump bike securely in the car, grab clothes then walk to the factory shower, which is filthy, freezing and quite public, then get dressed with all the factory lads messing around all round me. So even after overcoming the impracticality of the showering and storage arrangements, my ride to work depends on the car anyway.

In a northern European city where it's a flat couple of kms riding to work and everybody has step-through bikes with luggage racks or baskets it's easy but in the UK where we live further from our place of work, our roads are congested and narrow and most bikes are sports models, it isn't practical.

In the suburbs where I live,it is not quite mass-participation, but the bike racks in the High St often have bikes locked to them. Quite a few older women and younger men cycle, but it is rare to see a young woman on a bike.

The use of helmets puts off a lot of women.

In a northern European city where it's a flat couple of kms riding to work

and everybody has step-through bikes with luggage racks or baskets....but in the UK...most bikes are sports models

but in the UK where we live further from our place of work, our roads are congested and narrow and most bikes are sports models, it isn't practical.

It doesn't take a huge amount of intelligence to find quieter routes though.

The increasing price of fuel may see people living closer to their workplaces and, maybe, even cycling more.

My missus likes being out on the bike but she doesn't like arriving somewhere sweaty, with helmet hair and having to fit her locks and repair stuff in her bag too. She sees it as a bit faffy and undignified.

I'm not sure I like the implication that I'm not normal. Although I can probably live with above average 😉

I'm not a particularly girlie girl. I rarely wear makeup and I have long hair mainly because it doesn't require such regular trips to a hairdresser. But I wouldn't cycle to work without showers, towels and hairdryers. I usually wear a skirt for work so I can't cycle in work clothes unless I use a step through hybrid, and my hair is a mess even if I've not worked up that much of a sweat. Luckily for me I have had a gym membership for years and a few years ago my firm moved to the building next door to the gym. So I use the gym showers rather than the ones at work because they provide towels and hairdryers meaning I don't need to carry them.

I originally come from a running background, and it's interesting to see how many women *do* run. Not as many as men, but a good proportion, certainly when compared to spain where my parents live and where I've been known to win my category in races purely by virtue of being the only entrant. Race for life may not be an event for serious runners, but that sort of atmosphere is instrumental in getting a lot of women out there, as is the fact that you can get started with very little kit. I have several non sporty friends who have started running recently but still look at me like I have two heads for cycling to work.

I do notice differences between how I approach cycling and how my oh does though. I'm not interested in technical stuff or racing. I'm a bit more risk averse, and for me getting out for a long day out with cake stops and a pint at the end is the point not willy waving about speed or how much we've climbed. I've tried, but I'm still happiest on road, or the sort of off road which is basically a road with no cars. I tried cyclocross once and never intend to try again, not helped by the fact that although it was a "fun" race it was mainly men and I was way off the back. The local grass track league would involve riding with the men too, presumably due to lack of demand for separate races. I've never done it but looking at the results there are a handful of women who turn up occasionally, but not enough to squeeze specific races into the programme. Chicken and egg, how do you get the demand without the ladies only events?

And I don't even treat sportives as races...

I don't think it's restricted to just sweating in public.

Yes. There's the farting and arse-scratching too.

I don't think that it needs to be about racing. Women (and men) in Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Freiburg etc. aren't racing, they're just riding to the office, shops, pub, club etc. You don't see many Brits riding home after a night out at the weekend -whether that's a good thing or not....

I originally come from a running background, and it's interesting to see how many women *do* run. Not as many as men, but a good proportion,

Around here I would suggest that more women than men run/jog. It certainly appears to be the case.

Just looked at my Roots & Rain race history. I have raced in 14 races now, mostly local grass roots racing.

So in 14 races I have raced against
1284 men
&
32 women

I was shocked when i worked that out.

I know is roots and rain so they are Gravity enduro and Mini DH events but is there women that want to race in entry level events? If so what’s holding them back?

These girls look like they are doing a good job:
http://divadescent.com/Diva_Descent_-_The_UKs_First_All_Girls_Downhill_Mountain_Bike_Race_-_Home.html

I think the answer to regular cycling for both sexes is the revival of the traditional upright British roadster.

Full mudguards, oilbath chaincase, hubgears. Problem is that they are simply not fashionable. (You can buy one secondhand with 50 odd years of use on it, and if it has had basic maintenance, it will run just as nicely as brandnew.) They are heavy, but a modern version could be much lighter.

These old British bikes are the ultimate green machines, built to last forever. (Not to be confused with the rubbish coming in from India). WIth a brake upgrade they are perfect.

I think some of the Dutch manufacturers make something similar still, but I have no experience with them, so can't comment on quality.

I think the answer to regular cycling for both sexes is the revival of the traditional upright British roadster.

Full mudguards, oilbath chaincase, hubgears. Problem is that they are simply not fashionable. (You can buy one secondhand with 50 odd years of use on it, and if it has had basic maintenance, it will run just as nicely as brandnew.) They are heavy, but a modern version could be much lighter.

[url= http://www.pashley.co.uk/lists/classic-bicycles.html ]PASHLEY[/url] anyone? (Linky)

scottfitz - Member

I know is roots and rain so they are Gravity enduro and Mini DH events but is there women that want to race in entry level events? If so what’s holding them back?

my girlfriend *is* interested in entry level events, she's on the 'noballsbiking' / womensheffieldcycling facebook/email groups.

the 'fun' xc race she was invited to enter had a choice of a 2hour or 4hour category.

the 'early season leg loosener' social road ride was a 60k hilly route.

she's outdoorsy, she likes her bikes, she's competitive, but she's not mental.

People don't tend to ride for transport in the UK because most towns & cities aren't set up for cycling like those in Belgium or Germany for example. Too many cars going too fast.

IMHO many women don't cycle for transport because they get too hot / cold and don't get on with the whole messed up hair, perspiration etc. Getting ready to be presentable at the other end of a journey takes a lot longer than the journey itself in many cases. So the car is easy and more practical. Also it doesn't rain inside a car.

Also it doesn't rain inside a car.

Clearly you've never driven a Caterham or a Westfield...

johnellison - Member

PASHLEY anyone? (Linky)

Good point. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

(I know about them, but had forgotten they now use decent brakes.)

Oddly in my office of 50 there are probably more hardcore female cycle commuters than there are men with a roughly 50/50 gender split of the staff as a whole and we are not in London. The nature of our work is such that few ride every day due to business travel needs but the weather doesnt seem to drive it.. I reckon we have 10-15% of staff who ride quite often.

I appear to have gone back in time to 1970, and I didn't even see the portal opening.

Bike shops really are, on the whole, unreconstructed 70s forgotten worlds.

I found the opposite. So many couples used to come in and there were two options:
guy would go for top end model, spend hours choosing, trying out etc and after he'd decided he'd then say "oh and she [gestures to bored looking partner] wants something for about £300" and he'd then proceed to dominate the conversation saying that "she" would like this that and the other without ever once asking her. The sale would take 10 mins once he'd decided what "she" wanted.

other option is that they'd both buy identical bikes just in different sizes. Again, usually dominated by the guy.

I remember one occasion where a couple came in, bloke opened conversation with "She needs a helmet" and then attempted to dominate the conversation while I was trying to talk to her. In the end he got really narked and went off to browse the rest of the shop but when he came back he made it very plain that he didn't like me talking to "his" girl. 🙄

[b]adjustablewench[/b]
As for the hair and beauty aspect you'd be surprised where you find showers. Public showers in Sheffield city center with hair driers are only 20p.

Where is this?

I've noticed that there seems to be an awful lot more female cyclists in London these days, in fact I was wondering if women now outnumber men on bikes, in certain areas. And I know more women who regularly cycle than men.

Swinging by the cliched "went to a bike shop with man and got ignored" shoulder chipper.

Bike shops are generally a bit crap for women, although not as bad as local DIY/building places, garages etc. rarely any women working in them, and even when there are, they often have to refer to a male colleague for certain information. Women are often patronised and bullshitted to. Quite often by cocky, arrogant young men trying to 'impress the ladeez'. Cycle shops are an almost exclusively male environment, with little more than a slight concession for women (women's clothing and bikes pushed away in a small corner of the shop). And of course there's the 'she doesn't know anything so let's just see how much money we can get out of her' type scenario: my wife took her bike in to have a simple assesment done on something, and was advised to have £X worth of work done. I took the same bike in a few days later, and surprise surprise; the estimate was about a 3rd of the original quote (because I know a little more than she does and had a rough idea of what needed to be done). And it was the same assistant serving us. 😆

Saying that; more women need to learn how to sort their own bikes out better; too many just leave it to a bloke to sort out. Learn how to fix it and you won't be ripped off.

There's one big reason that people (male or female) in the UK don't cycle, and that's because it doesn't feel safe.

To a lesser extent there's the feeling that cycling is odd, eccentric, and requires a degree of buy-in beyond simply owning a bike. But this all comes from the root cause of cycling being perceived as a dangerous extreme sport for fit blokes.

http://thinkingaboutcycling.wordpress.com/article-fear-of-cycling/

It's all very well saying "show images of women cycling", or "tell them that helmet hair doesn't matter" but that's all that many local authorities do. People see through this, especially outside London, Cambridge or Bristol, where you'll be lucky to see a couple of cyclists a day, let alone a "fashionista on a Pashley"

http://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/truth-and-propaganda/

Why would the existence of men in lycra put women off cycling?
The existence of men who wear fake aviators, plastic Ferrari paddock jackets, and string backed gloves doesn't put them off driving.
Maybe they think those men inlycra are women that cycling has "done something" to?

OTIO is leaving now. 😆

The existence of men who wear fake aviators, plastic Ferrari paddock jackets, and string backed gloves doesn't put them off driving.

Initially it probably did. Then everyone cottoned on to the fact that cars are an easy, safe way of getting around, picking up the shopping, dropping the kids off at school and what have you. Manufacturers made them with proper sized boots, child seats, make-up mirrors and flower holders in the dashboard and it became "normal".

Walk into a bike shop and look at what proportion of the bikes they sell are aimed at people who want to get around in comfort while carrying a bit of stuff, and how many are skinny, uncomfortable, don't take a rack, and are aimed at people who want to get a Gold time in their next sportive.

That said, if all shops sold were Pashleys there would be very little change in the number of people cycling in the UK, as it's the ones who want to go fast and keep fit who are currently making up most of the (meagre) numbers.

I think you mean KOM on Strava 😉

Or build up to doing a "metric century" [insert other Fred-eotype of choice].

No such thing as 'normal women' some despise the pink girly upright rain-cape wearing flowery side that gets pushed upon them in a patronising 'here you go love, don't be scared now there will be a man there to catch you when you fall' and prefer to be treated equally and kick a few overinflated male ego's while they are at it. Some just want to get on a bike without any agenda, feeling they are being singled out for special treatment or little flowers embroidered on their cycling jersey.
Create an better environment and change the 'car is king' attitude and you might get somewhere.
Good luck with that, it's going to take decades or a severe oil crisis.

"metric century" 🙂 Hadn't heard that one!

My mrs seems to take pride in racing men if there aren't enough ladies for a separate race.

One particular middle aged IT manager (stereotype- he may not actually be in IT) could be heard muttering profanities under his breath (at himself not her!) as he was overtaken on a climb by said sporty young lady!

However the points about it not being about racing are equally valid. Personally I think it requires a wholesale overhaul of cycling from shops, events, manufacturers, race organisers etc to encourage more women to ride. Chicken and egg hits the nail on the head though.

Women in general don't do as much sport as men, so why would anyone expect cycling to be different?

That article's not about cycling as a sport.

Women in general don't do as much sport as men, so why would anyone expect cycling to be different?

Sport or physical activity?

@jackthedog

The showers arebin the public loos in the town hall, I used them for quite a while when I changed jobs as my new building didnt have showers.

Originally the toilets opened at 8.30 which was fine, then they moved it to 9. I complained via the local cycling group (I want to say ride sheffield but not sure if it was them). They changed the start time back to 8.30.

After a while the toilet attandant started giving me receipts for my 20p - I presume working out the cost effectiveness of the earlier opening.

So in a nutshell not sure what time they are open now, but so infuriating as if they promoted the facility it would be a real asset

I think in general less women cycle than men, because as kids the same is also true!

Everyone (boy/girl) cycles from when they first learn (say at 4-6 yo) for a few years, then suddenly, probably around 10, the girls stop cycling. At that point the boys are always messing around on bikes with their friends, but "growing up" hits the girls first, and they stop messing around with their mates on bikes. Hence, chances are a women in here mid 20's probably hasn't ridden a bike for 15 years! Why would she start now? For the vast majority of women getting into a sport for the first time, the social element is important, hence the prevalence of indoors/gym based classes etc. The social aspect of biking (and especially mountain biking) is underplayed and not obvious, and in fact, i bet most women see MTB as a "solo" sport, where at best you compete against another solo rider, rather than just ride WITH them !

That article's not about cycling as a sport.

Cycling in the UK is seen as a sport though, the only people in the UK that I know who ride their bikes are considered 'cyclists'. It's not like in Holland or Denmark where everyone rides bikes as transport but only the 'cyclists' get on the lycra and go out for a ride on a Sunday.

People just don't see cycling as a viable form of transport, instead it's considered a hobby or sport.

Sport or physical activity?

Sport - although to be fair I don't know what that constitutes, remember reading some figures which showed that men participated in sport more than women by approximately 3:1 ratio.

People just don't see cycling as a viable form of transport, instead it's considered a hobby or sport.

I'd completely agree with this, but that's not the same as saying "cycling is a sport" and "Women don't do as much sport as men". Both very questionable statements. Where do you draw the line - running, going to the gym, Zumba?

Incidentally I'd probably be classed as a "sport" cyclist - I have a bronze BC membership and do a few races a year - but the vast majority of my riding is just getting from A to B.

Create an better environment and change the 'car is king' attitude and you might get somewhere.

This is the best comment on the thread so far. Ditto for the numbers of children cycling, or the numbers of people cycling generally.

Good article.

I'm not female (last time I checked) but a summary of the article seems to be that women are put off cycling because it isnt as easy to 'do' as driving, or even public transport. Its more hassle therefore never going to be a viable alternative to a car for many of them.

You know what, they are right. Cycling isnt as easy as a car.. a certain amount of planning is always needed when cycling is going to be transport.

The core problem is that our country's culture isnt to ride bikes, few of us are brought up riding to school with parents, we dont cycle into town to meet friends, we dont use the bike as transport and neither did our parents. The mindset is wrong.

What we should be doing is in parallel to fixing all the logistics: showers, safer routes, better bike security, different bikes... etc. We need to bring about a cultural shift from a young age that biking is a viable form of transport.

Step One: get mothers to take their kids to school on bikes, reduce cars on the school run!

^^^^ that (mr agree able)

Not helped by piss poor road design that facilitates conflict, lack of cycling facilities and under resource (and in my view) consequentially wrongly focussed (or do i mean just not enough) roads policing means unless you are an enthusiast it is not as appealing.

Edit: i am not lambasting the police's efforts by the way. I expect You cannot achieve on current budgets what needs doing to Britains roads such as targeted campaigns on phone users, aggressive and careless driving and people who think the lane markings and highway code are optional. In practice these are every bit as important as speeding but are considerably harder and expensive to automate the policing of as they require officers in cars and a decent fixed penalty regime.

Both very questionable statements.

I don't think either are questionable, more people in the UK would see cycling as a sport as opposed to a form of transport. The more men do sport than women is certainly not a questionable statement, it's backed up by Sport Englands published figures.

Where do you draw the line - running, going to the gym, Zumba?

the question asked was "Have you participated in sessions of at least moderate intensity for at least 30 minutes" so would encompass gym classes.

My favorite comment so far

[i]Absolute shittte the real reason is it messes up their hair and makeup. Without these two things they are hideous creatures. Would your missus leave the House without makeup on? No way, mine wouldn't.. they scare little kids.[/i]

Certainly made me chuckle! 😀

it's backed up by Sport Englands published figures

If you look up how Sport England produce their figures, e.g. the active people survey, you might not use Sport Englands figures to back up anything!

And stop valuing/judging women for "turning up to work meetings looking neat and tidy" more than men.

And don't buy bike products that drape semi-naked women over bike parts in their advertisements. That's you Mr Marzocchi !

Practical bikes are the way forward, but practical bikes don't look like they could take on the Tour de France, the world Downhill championships ...or have an aggressive radiator grille/do a quick lap of Oulton Park on the way home.

Commuting on a bike is probably more comfortable than urban commuting in a harshly-sprung and over-tyred German saloon.

My manifesto:
[b]Folding bikes and Roadster Bikes for all![/b]

If you look up how Sport England produce their figures, e.g. the active people survey, you might not use Sport Englands figures to back up anything!

You have figures to the contrary?

I have an issue with their methodology.

Although I reckon most forum posters are probably [url= http://segments.sportengland.org/pdf/penPortrait-11.pdf ]Philip's[/url]

OMG. Actually, OMG. The comments on that article...

This is why I don't read the Telegraph, and why I want to leave the UK where we're just
so [I] bloody snooty [/I].

Also -
http://www.gazellebicycles.co.uk/
Much nicer than a Pashley

Lolz @ this thread.

it's backed up by Sport Englands published figures

the trouble with those figures is how they are collated and used plus the agenda behind them.
take a 'sky-ride' for example. give them a free bib and traffic free plod near some ice-cream and a park. bang you now have thousands of new cyclists that are counted/noted and form part of the figures to show how cycling is growing and new funding can be allocated for the next year. except a lot of those bikes get put back into the shed to rust for another year. (isn't the average yearly distance cycled per bike in the u.k. something like 7miles? that's a bank-holiday pootle along a dogshite strewn canal towpath)

it's a shame the 3 already overstretched go-ride coaches in london are going to loose their jobs in a few months time because of funding. this when it's all talk about 'legacy' after the olympics. so no after-school clubs or term time cycling activity or support for cycling clubs with juniors. it may be 'sport' not 'riding in traffic' but half these schoolchildren are female and the cyclists of the future.

I'm normal, I cycle commute, but rainy its a bit shit and I probably will get the bus, and as I have just my chameleon, skirts are out, hate helmets, won't wear one, and I suppose I'm a bit hair and make-up, but that's what waterproof mascara is for after al!!

Bike shops don't help themselves, I don't think they understand how girls like to shop. I want to be treated properly, you can start by employing some-one who knows about womens stuff for a start! I don't mind getting dirty on weekend mountain bike rides, I can do without the patronising and 'helpful and motivational' comments from some blokes, and I can do without the nearly naked girls fondling bike bits like sex toys in adverts!! Have a look at Rapha to see how to do it right.

Ohh, That's a bit ranty!! sorry 😆

We need to show we understand that issues like showering and changing, helmet hair, [b]transporting makeup and cosmetics to and from work [/b]and [b]having somewhere to plug in a hairdryer [/b]aren’t just superficial ‘vanity’ but really do matter to many women

Srsly?

Also depressing to see the showers excuse wheeled out again. I used to work with a woman who cycled into work, when asked by a colleague whether she used the shower she replied "No, I just stink" (she didn't).

http://bamboobadger.blogspot.com/2008/10/red-herring-in-shower.html

I'll defend my former lbs whom I used for donkeys years. Never patronised me, always helpful with answering my bimbo questions. Supported me when I found myself organising a couple of SheCycles Swinley Forest ladies rides - tea, cakes and shopping discount. 8)

Organised demo bikes for me, gave honest advice, really what more could you ask for!

[quote=Mr Agreable]Srsly?

It's refreshing to see an article on getting women to cycle more actually written by a woman.

For that reason I'm not going to question her statements about transporting makeup and hair drying facilities.

Yes... but the countries with the highest levels of cycling (and more of a balance of men and women) haven't got there by giving them showers, hair-dryers, make-up bags or designer hi-viz. It takes root and branch change in the way streets are laid out, ending the dominance of motor traffic over bikes and pedestrians.

To put it another way, you probably wouldn't go and work in a coal mine even if they gave you your own changing room. That wouldn't change the fact that it's generally considered an unpleasant, dangerous environment.

It's annoying to see yet another article about cycling not just ignoring the elephant in the room, but even denying its existence.

Hmmm. *and breathe*....

This is all one massive soap-box subject for me.

I think a large reason that more women don't get on bikes (of any descripton) is that there aren't enough REAL female role models or coverage of women riding bikes in the cycling media. I think generally women have more of a 'safety in numbers' way of thinking - it's nice to know others are doing the same thing.

It is improving, but to me the whole thing becomes a self-perpetuating cycle - not really any women in mags / press - women think they might like cycling but don't see any pics of other women doing it - women therefore think 'it's not for me' - mags / press don't cover women because not enough participate in it etc etc.....

I think there are actually a lot of ladies that want to commute / road ride / mtb but there just isn't the coverage / support to nurture that initial spark. It is improving through initiatives like Breeze (like a female only Skyride) and ladies only events etc but it's slow going.

And I think i'm mostly normal...

And whilst I'm on my soapbox ...

I didn't start riding until my late 30's and I managed to go into bike shops all on my own and, shock horror, managed to buy a bike or two without consulting the ex, who didn't ride anyway.

Have managed to take myself all over the country, by myself, and I've survived. Didn't need anybody to hold my hand! Here I am, in my 50s and still having fun. 🙂

The difference was that I really wanted to ride and was determined enough to do it.

Are people really so helpless??!!