[Closed] Why isn't my frame selling ???(Old 26" frame query!)

Personally think the colour is shocking mate.

Plus, the size is a little specialised.

Ok thanks

I guess most people do not realise that a xl turner comes up more like a large in anything else(i have put this in my ads)

I thought people like the green colours on a bike?

Did you sell yours by the way ??

You say the pics don't do it justice, so it might be worth trying to take some that do. I'm no expert, but some people manage to get pictures that make a frame look great and others (like me) don't.

26er baggage - Like it or not, I'm sure it's already a big deal. Any buyer will be expecting a BIG bargain for buying an "obsolete" format. The speed of the "industry's" transition away from 26ers is likely to put off loads of people completely

(also, in a time of bigger wheeled bikes (esp 29er), 26 inch wheels are also at their oddest-looking when on a L/XL bike)

I have a 26 inch bike and I like it. Lucky me, as there's not much chance of me making decent money by selling it

Sorry

If it were mine I'd stick it on eBay. I've sold parts, bikes and frames on there for the money I was after by putting them on at 99p start. Like yourself this was after trying to sell with no success on classifieds.

Cheers roverpig.

I dont know why but it seems to be a pain to photo correctly to show the actual colour of the frame.

Ive tried various cameras(even a proper slr) and it looks a different shade each time

he fact that it's been recoated might put it off, people might be worried what that hides. I have a recoated frame that I am intending selling and in looking at pricing it I've seen a number of threads/postings where people have said that would put them off.
Also xl is going to be a relatively small pool of potential buyers too.
Are you advertising it to a big enough audience, if it's just on here there might not be any giant people who like green but if you stick it on eBay that might be someone's dream bike. The anyalogy I like from an article on selling cars is do you remember those harlequin polos VW did for a while, 99% of people looking for polos would be put off by the colour but the advent of eBay or auto trader allowed the seller to find the people who actually willing to pay a premium.

Im actually looking at buying another 26" wheeled frame but with a tapered headtube on it!

Do you have the ral number of the colour? People can at least look it up.

You need to find a bloody tall person looking for a bike in a not so nice colour and 26 inch. Not so many of those around.
Maybe drop the price a bit.

Cheers riddoch.

I guess people are put off by the fact its a xl but the sizing is ideal for anyone between 6 foot and 6 foot 4 so hardly giants!

its on quite a few boards, Im reluctant to use ebay(although the full bike was on there a few days back) as ive seen to many people getting ripped off by buyers claiming stuff isnt arriving etc!

pretty sure its Ral 6018

Any respray de-values.

Folk may not know/believe an "XL is actually like an L".

Old stuff is criminally undervalued IMO, which is I guess down to folk buying new stuff and price-cutting.

I really like the colour, but this:

Im actually looking at buying another 26" wheeled frame but with a tapered headtube on it!

Sums it up. Straight head tubes are a pain these days. So you've got:

- small wheels
- virtually impossible to buy forks
- divisive colour
- big frame

That's a ****ing small target audience. Get it on eBay I say!

If you've advertised it as well as you can (good description/photos/placement in the right places) then you have two choices:

1) Lower the price
2) Wait

I was recently selling a pretty rare guitar that were getting high prices. I had quite a few people offering less than the asking price (I put it at the top money others had sold on eBay). However I wasn't in a rush to sell it as it was a nice guitar I enjoyed playing.
It took about 12 months, but I eventually got what I wanted for it (enough to buy a Horsethief!)

Am I better off just riding it until it breaks?

If you enjoy riding it keep it.
Otherwise it's an expensive ornament.

Am I better off just riding it until it breaks?

Yes, or turner will give you 600 dollars of a new frame in exchange. They may let you cut it up and email photos of it rather than send the frame back.

I was thinking about trading my medium flux in for a burner like that, as I have a large 26 flux and the new flux isn't different enough to be worth building one up.

Or maybe a czar, but I still am not really feeling plastic bikes...

Or find someone who wants a new turner frame and get them the discount in exchange for some cash. Sell the forks and get the wheels rebuilt to bigger rims.

Crazy isn't it how kit depreciates because the industry bring out new kit.

This frame got really good reviews when new and now it's not worth anything!

I think it is the price. I'm thinking of selling my 2011 xl 5-spot frame soon but would be asking a max of £400 for the reasons above. I like your "green" but would be a little put off by a respray.

So what do you think it's worth then people?

about half of whatever value you think is perfectly reasonable 😀

The voice of someone who tends to pay what's asked or offers what cash he has, then sells again in the hope of at least getting some cash back but is always disappointed.

It's worth what someone will pay. You have a range of options. IMO this forum isn't the place to sell for good money. It's great for a quick sale and convenience, but everyone expects a bargain.

I'd put it on eBay, list at a price you're happy with, you may only get one bid, but it'll be one you're happy with.

Or, put it on at 99p, and you'll get an idea of its true worth.

I thought my price was fair compared to others I've seen?

For instance there are 2011 frames on the classifieds for 750 and 850?

...and are they selling, are they resprayed, are they XL?

What nick said.

I keep looking at your advert to see if the price has dropped as im in the market for a Bargain 5inch and your relitively local

How ever a few things put me off yours , the main thing is the powder coat. Id rather be able to see the frames life than a fresh powder coat especially on an old frame of that age....

You're always going to have difficulties shifting a frame that big as most guys looking for an XL frame have been tricked into believing they should be on a 29er.

I thought my price was fair compared to others I've seen?

For instance there are 2011 frames on the classifieds for 750 and 850?

And they aren't selling either....
I was going to make you an offer way back when but thought it might be a bit big; XL has a 32" standover and Turner recommend it for riders 6'2" to 6'4".
At 6'1" I might have risked it for half what you were asking but then you went and resprayed it...

Reuban thats about where i figured it as well , plenty of similar age santa cruz 125 mm 26ers and even early 5s( which hold teir money like volkswagens it seems) in original livery in big sizes have come and gone for even less than half the price of the turner.

I can only agree, 2nd hand values seem to have dropped through the floor... I've a couple of frame I need to shift (to make space for another!) & their value seems ridiculously low, especially when you factor in paypal fee's and P&P cost (insured). I was looking at selling one last year and the buyer was put off by the scratches on the paint work (Purely from XC use, not bashed about).. so you can't even win by keeping them original (unpainted)...

I'm actually quite surprised as when I clicked on your ad for the frame I was expecting to see £600+ going on what the others are on for but its £475 which I think is pretty reasonable price. I also like the colour...looks good.

With this in mind, I'd leave the price quite close to what it is and try to advertise to a wider audience, maybe ebay.

Also I'd explain in my ad why it was re-sprayed or put some pre-respray frame photos as if I was buying I'd want to know why you had the re-spray done (and even who by so I'd know it was done professionally)

Certainly makes the other 5Spot on for £750 look overpriced imo

Agree £475 doesn't seem overpriced. Just the size and the respray putting people off. Can't see how you wont get close to that on ebay.

I dont see why a respray affects anything at all.

Ebay. On here theres two camps: old school/SS and fashion bikers.

Sadly your bike is neither.

Also it's not clear if you include the shock or not?

It includes the shock of course.

I also have pics of it just before I sent it off for powder coating. It really wasn't in bad condition at all I just wanted to get it done.

Turner say it's good for people from 6 foot to 6 foot 4

So are you saying it's really only worth half of what I am asking for it?

If so how can it be worth less than a run of the mill older specialised stumpjumper or enduro etc

I think the green looks great.
I've had a few good looks at your ad and would have made you an offer if I wasn't quite as skint as I am right now...

So are you saying it's really only worth half of what I am asking for it?

Who said that?

I start to get cynical about these threads as they develop and reach a point where it starts to run into classifieds promotion. There's plenty of advice on this thread to ponder on

Just going by what trail rat said that is all.

I understand what you are saying about classifieds promotions but this isnt one of them.

renton - Member
Turner say it's good for people from 6 foot to 6 foot 4

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No they don't . This is from their 2010 website ,giving 2010 geometries.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100328051339/http://www.turnerbikes.com/010/010spot.html

I'mnot saying it's worth half of what you are asking.I said I would have offered you about half of what you were asking before the respray.
Now though...
It can easily be worth less than a run of the mill spesh. Most people, keen cyclists or beginners, have heard of Specialised. Not so many have heard of Turner.
If you want rid,stick it on Ebay. There are many opinions on here,but the only ones that really matter are those of people willing to stick their hand in their pocket for a big frame for proper sized wheels. The rest are largely (scuse me) irrelevant.

Mmmm that is a different geometry table to the one I had?

I got the xl as the large one I had was to small and I'm 6foot1

Old ebay listing for something similar. Reckon you would be able to sell about the same price. Get it on ebay as a buy it now (for what you would like) but allow people to make offers.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=331115263806

It's a 26

darrenspink - Member
Old ebay listing for something similar. Reckon you would be able to sell about the same price. Get it on ebay as a buy it now (for what you would like) but allow people to make offers.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=331115263806
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A more "normal" size, and even that only attracted one bid.

The pics in your ad aren't the most flattering tbh, the front-on pic makes it look pretty gawky and steep, it's all headtube. Needs better pics, from nicer angles.

A link to a geometry table and reviews if poss are always nice imo. The thing about outsizes is that sure, there's less people who want them but there's also less going around, the height distribution of used bikes should be pretty much correct so I don't think there's any reason to assume they're worth less- it just might take longer to find the right buyer, who no doubt is right now saying "WTF, where are all the used XL frames?"

most guys looking for an XL frame have been tricked into believing they should be on a 29er.

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I think it looks fab in the green. Doesn't look like a bad price either, I guess the size may put some off.

Hora - is fashion biking your new phrase? What the hell does that me anyway? Don't you have an 'on trend' narrow wide ring?

Where is this bike listed ?~ im 6ft 4 and dont see what difference the wheel size makes to enjoying riding

Kawasaki Green isn't a world away from the Green that Cotic just stopped selling everything in and I love it on mine.

I'm guessing like above, you're advertising in the wrong place.

Personally I'd be put off by a respray unless it was a cheap bike. Any serious customisation tanks resale price. No one seriously expects a riced up Corsa to be worth the same as a mint original spec model of same year, even. As soon as you customise you limit potential resale to people on the same page as you.

I know I bought a nice if cosmetically tatty three year old French FS frame for £250 last year (not on here), but Turner's a niche brand.

Don't think XL makes it un sellable but it will restrict you to big people.

Picture wise, if the pictures are poor, from a ride possibly years ago propped against a tree etc, copied from a magazine or seller tries to excuse them I tend to ignore the item unless it's very cheap and I want to take a risk on it.

Basically, advertise elsewhere with better pictures and prepare for a long wait, or drop massively for quick sale is about the size of it. If you want to sell a quality product for a decent price, do it properly. If you have a mate who is good with a camera, maybe ask for help or advice.

All that said, a mate of mine sold a POS Big Hit in a terrible respray, not even correctly assembled for £400 and got his hand bitten off. Maybe look at Facebook mountain bike selling pages? Not naming names cos of forum rules...

My '05 5 Spot frame, with a spare set of linkage plates & shock, headset, new bushes in a size L went for £300 so yeah, you may be asking a bit much money.
People just don't seem to want 26" frames & it's a bit like the car market, either really cheap old stuff or fairly pricey newish stuff sells easily but the middle ground is hard.

Fashion biking- the latest must have fashion on the trail.

Banshee/transition (carbon Santa Cruz now last year) is cool/the product to be seen on.

The latest wheelsize development. Seen by your mates to have the latest cool kit.

'But a haymarket publications magazine says a top pro rider can save a second'.

'I must put that 3k bike on a Credit card to put on thr back of my 2002 MK4 Golf, yes I live in a rented property but my priorities are right'.

😀

It is caught by that 2010 CRC dump sale on the Turners, combined with the steeper head-angle of the pre-2011 5-spots, combined with the ability of some of the 2009 ones to crack.

My 09 medium flux would be worth nothing (apart from the $600 trade-in), but in reality the suspension is super-robust with the bushings and zerks, and also performs fantastically with its pushed shock, needle bearing shock mounts, and push bushings.

So of all the 2nd hand frames, I would have thought the dw-link turners should hold their value better than virtually anything else, but that isn't the case.

A large 2011+ 5-spot framer on ebay would still get a good price, the mediums not so much. Same with the medium Burners that are on ebay now - if you are 5ft 8 then the pickings are rich...

I must put that 3k bike on a Credit card to put on thr back of my 2002 MK4 Golf, yes I live in a rented property but my priorities are right

well the bike versus car priority is certainly right, apart from mk4 golfs being pretty ropey...

Soooo despite the roasting that I got from turner fans at the time.... I was right. The 2011 was a bloody better frame due to the subtle angle changes alround.

Mattbe. My frame is five years newer than yours pal and has also just had new bushes and journals throughout.

Any respray de-values.

From personal experience this is true - a lot of people think you're trying to hide something - usually a totally ragged frame etc. it's probably not the case, but that's what folk think. Couple this with some frankly silly discounting by some online businesses; a lot of people would rather spend a couple of hundred extra on a brand new discounted 26" Nukeproof mega than buy a resprayed Turner.

Good point

I sold my 2009 DW 5 spot for £200 after fees and postage without a shock as a guide to price.

My old 5spots for sale at thesame price that I sold it for 3yrs ago.

hora - Member
Fashion biking- the latest must have fashion on the trail.

Banshee/transition (carbon Santa Cruz now last year) is cool/the product to be seen on.

The latest wheelsize development. Seen by your mates to have the latest cool kit.

'But a haymarket publications magazine says a top pro rider can save a second'.

'I must put that 3k bike on a Credit card to put on thr back of my 2002 MK4 Golf, yes I live in a rented property but my priorities are right'.

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I've had my Banshee long before the threads started popping up on here and I paid for it outright thanks as a treat to myself for a secondment to a clients office in London for which I got so e extra cash. It's a bloody good bike too, but it's still running on 26inch wheels.

Only mag I buy is Dirt which last time I checked wasn't owned by Haymarket.

Don't drive a golf either....the mark IV was hateful, I'd rather walk. Do to rent either.

STW chip on the shoulder fail!

My old 5spots for sale at thesame price that I sold it for 3yrs ago.

2012 Turner Burner medium in Raw with Kashima shock sold for £470 on ebay a couple of weeks ago, looked to be in very good nic wish I'd had the money to bid.

You buy dirt? Thats a fashion/lifestyle mag 2013+

If you buy post 2013 you do it for the slimmed down/high photo and ad content. True?

If youve read it for years you'd see the decline.

Chip? Bet your riding kit is bright/multicoloured.

My opinion counts for nothing as I'm not looking to buy your frame, but, I did recently buy an ibis mojo (26" 1 1/8th) secondhand. I think it's the head tube, 1 1/8th is just a ticking clock in the buyers eyes. I'd pay £350-£375 for it.

There's a lot of quality high end 26" stuff on the 2nd market at the moment, market forces drives the prices down.

Renton, yes... sold mine.

I actually looked at your frame in the classifieds but the fact that it had been re sprayed and cost put me off! If it had been in the £350-£400 range it may have tempted me more!

I recon like myself it's the size first is the issue limited market, second older version then all the other odds and sods come into play, and for some strange reason turners do seem to be one of those brands that have poor resale value compared to say Santa Cruz. Personally I don't think it's over priced but I'm not the market as personally I'd want the newer one with slacker head angle and tapered head stock like yourself 😀

I did recently buy an ibis mojo (26" 1 1/8th) secondhand. I think it's the head tube, 1 1/8th is just a ticking clock in the buyers eyes.

Ibis (well 2Pure) themselves struggled to shift them, they had new-old-stock Mojo SL frames (1 1/8th steerer, 135mm rear, designed for 26") on clearance for £900 and it took 6 months to sell them all. As others have said the CRC clearance (werent they 800 quid?), re-spray, size and obsolete standards all stand against you.

Better pics, including pics of it pre-respray and be explicit that it wasn't to cover it looking battered, and ebay with a BIN-or-best-offer, then you get to choose what you let it go for.

It wasnt battered at all before spraying...........

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just fancied a colour change. 😳

Seen your post a few times, always wanted a 5 spot. If i had the money i would have made you an offer but alas no funds at the moment so sorry cannot lighten your load.

I am happy with 26" wheels, 135mm rear end and a 1 1/8" steerer.

Good luck with the sale though, but if you need anyone to look after it for a while give me a shout 😀

You buy dirt? Thats a fashion/lifestyle mag 2013+

If you buy post 2013 you do it for the slimmed down/high photo and ad content. True?

If youve read it for years you'd see the decline.

Chip? Bet your riding kit is bright/multicoloured.

I've bought Dirt since day one and have a rolling sub. And yes I do see the decline, especially since Jonesy became deputy ed. The rot started a long time before 2013. But hey it's something to read on the throne.

I have some coloured clothing and some black stuff. The black stuff is great in the winter because it doesn't stain but the lighter stuff is nice in the summer.

Sorry to go off topic, but if don't get this whole fashion thing. You ride an Orange FFS, which for some reason are revered on this website (and in the mag). You run modern forks, a single ring if I'm not mistaken and a narrow wide one at that. Bet you run some on trend wide bars too with a short stem.

Hardly a niche or retro none modern bike.

You ride an Orange FFS, which for some reason are revered on this website

equal parts revered and derided on here, TBF.

I bought a nice frame off Renton a few years back. I think it was about £400 for 2010 Stumpjumper and it was mint, well until I scratched and dented it.
The other side of the coin regarding "its only worth what someone will pay for it" is "its only worth selling for what you will part with it for". You need to fancy a change enough to drop the price a bit so it will sell. If not enjoy a very nice hand crafted frame with a solid warranty.

Looked lovely in the original colour 😳

Renton, your bike is nicely spruced up and ready to ride. The price seems fair but the market is a little hormonal and your pics aren't particularly inspiring or flattering.

So, here's the plan.

Take the bike and your camera for a ride up a mountain. Stop at a few scenic spots on the way up and take some trailside images of the bike. Look up a few bike ads/mags to get an idea of flattering angles. Bring a soft cloth to wipe the dust off the frame from he dusty, fast and dry and dusty trails. On the way down, do the same but be sure to slam the seat for added menace and Grrr.

The bi-fold objectives of the plan will be completed at the end of the ride. You will note you now have some great images of your bike doing what it can do in it's natural environment, which will prove to be a fantastic selling aid. You will also realise just how bloody great your bike is and continue to enjoy the fruits of your labour for a little* while to come. 😀

*When you do come to sell it, it will be worth less and it might not shift any quicker, but you'll have some nice images (and memories) of your time on it and you probably wont mind getting less for it.

rOcKeTdOg - Member
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Euro, 29er berating is so 2012, it's angst against 27.5 now, time to get with the programme

Short of the large size, funny colour, non tapered head tube and 26" wheels I can't see why it wouldn't sell. But those are 4 big points.

I practically gave away an 09 Heckler frame and fork a few months ago, I was never going to rebuild it and the hassle of listing & selling it was too much.

to Hora's point about fashionable bikes and trends look at the 4 points above. Would you buy a non tapered frame these days? I certainly wouldn't.