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4 way stretch fabric.Pockets. Why so expensive?
The Endura water proof ones look well thought out.
Am I missing something - Couldn't you just wear surf board shorts as they dry quickly?
Any recommendations which are bright and not branded as don't want to be a walking advert with Troy Lee or Fox plastered on them.
fashion statement, industry money maker, gave up wearing them years ago. Hot in summer and retain water in winter and catch on the seat.
The only time I wear baggies is if it's raining and I've a pair that are just over knee length so are decent protection. Other than that, as PB says: fashion statement that's too hot in summer and they catch on the seat.
I've a figure like Adonis though so lycra looks good on me 😆
I wore boardshorts for ages, still do sometimes. seat can wear a little quicker, but it was the stitching that gave way on my enduras - which were thick, stiff and heavy and pulled on the thighs when pedalling.
Current favourite is a pair of Oakley shorts I picked up in TK Max for £18. Soft, thin fabric, dries very quickly, that's wearing much better than expected.
Only logo is black embroidered, on black fabric. Otherwise a normal pair of casual shorts. Don't look silly off the bike, like a junior stormtrooper. One of those purchases where I wish I'd bought more of at the time.
Edit: further to the above, I just went looking for a pair online. They might even be golf shorts! 😆
Just ware normal shorts. They don't need to be brand as my cycling baggies. If you're not in need of Lycra (which you are not if wearing g baggies) the loss of having no nappy padding is inconsequential
They are a rip off I agree.
Because people will pay those prices. Sometime they even think they must be getting a better product because it's more expensive. There are very few things where the price relates to what they cost to make, it's what they can sell for.Why so expensive
Most MTB stuff is expensive for what it is. About 10 years ago I got some baggies from Decathlon, they are still ok, and much comfier, and cheaper than the Gore ones that I also have.
Is this the new look then?
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sometimes you need(want) decent padding and baggies. Much better to buy them separately, though, IMO.
Decent lycra/liner with a pad that suits your sit bones and bits, and baggies with the right style, fit, pockets and fabric. Chances of finding them both in a combined baggies/liner arrangement is slim to none.
And I've never understood why liners need to clip into shorts. I never have a problem with pants and normal trousers and shorts. Adds faff, and adds discomfort when you're not wearing the liner (which is usually rubbish). Pretty sure it's just to keep them together in the shop.
Madison shorts generally cost me 40 to 50 quid, and take some abuse. Good pockets, quality zips and also if the stitching goes, they give me a brand new pair for free.
Comfy, waterproof, well fitting (this is subjective obviously)and they last generally about 3 years of constant Ayrshire mud.
I consider them one of the better priced pieces of MTB kit, considering.
Endura singletrack and some cheap knee warmers - sorted!
try these, awesome I bought 2
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/gore-bike-wear-alp-x-pro-2in1-shorts/?sku=5360687251
add three magic letters and triple your margins
TBH.. £39 for a pair of Endura Singletracks and 2 years and thousands of miles of happy cycling later, and they're still going absolutely strong. £39 is not that much to pay for hundreds of rides, really.
Sure, you could probably achieve a similar experience with a pair(s) of £5 'shorts', but they wouldn't have the same levels of cycling-oriented fit, ruggedness, or cool features, such as the rearward-facing side pockets that are excellent for putting maps, phones and fig rolls in.
YMMV, of course.. 😉
I've a figure like Adonis though
Pah! I've got a figure like two donises. 🙂
The best best non-lycra shorts I've had were the old Surface Liquistretch - which were basically a pair of plain casual shorts made out of the same fabric as a rash vest. More MTB specific shorts would add harder wearing fabric in key points, tailor them is such a way that you don't have seams where you don't want them on a bike, tailor pockets so that your stuff doesn't fall out of them and so on.
That adds a bit of cost in manufacture but it also cuts down the market pretty significantly. Anyone can buy and use board shorts whether the surf or not, but dedicated MTB shorts aren't so nice to wear off the bike and aren't likely to be bought by non cyclists - so increased price is as much a result of smaller sales numbers.
add three magic letters and triple your margins
You'll find such instances in all sports, it's a bit naive to think it's only MTB that applies to.
Most of mine last 5+ years so the cost seems insignificant, of anything the Endura seem to be the worst I've had. Currently on some North Face and still some 10year old Sombreo's looking at the morvelo at the moment as they look great. Just need to sort out sizing.
Biggest difference in normal shorts to bikes ones is the location of the seams. Makes a big differnce
They're only expensive if you pay the silly RRP, eh?
Usually fork out £25-£35 for top-end shorts in the sales.
After seeing a group of elderly roadies Sunday in a cafe all in Lycra, I'm thinking perhaps looser-fitting overshorts should be a legal requirement in public
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I've decided madison zenith are my go to shorts.
Appear to last well, pocket positions are well thought out, an ok price and fit my large thighs.
After seeing a group of elderly roadies Sunday in a cafe all in Lycra, I'm thinking perhaps looser-fitting overshorts should be a legal requirement in public
I can't agree more with this!!!
And I do as [b]chakaping[/b] said - wait for a PSA here and buy some quality shorts for £25!
Our kids wear Addidas shorts or 3/4's over lycra. Wicking, 4 way stretch, zip pockets, good cut. £10-20 from all good sports stores.
I wear Montane and Merrel shorts over lycra, and an ancient set of Sombrio shorts that are simple mesh lined thigh long with two pockets shorts. All great quality.
My Endura shorts are overly complex, poorly constructed and hold damp.
My Altura shorts are too short, poorly made and from a cheap fabric.
My sons Altura's are too baggy, poorly made and from a cheap fabric.
Mrs_OAB has some Scott 3/4's that are well made, from great fabric, but odd in shape (no thigh space)
After seeing a group of elderly roadies Sunday in a cafe all in Lycra, I'm thinking perhaps looser-fitting overshorts should be a legal requirement in public
That's going to be me when I'm a pensioner, and I won't care who sees either. 😀
[url= https://www.evanscycles.com/en-id/fwe-ridgeway-baggy-short-EV265701 ]FWE Ridgeways[/url]
I work for Evans so not entirely impartial but I wouldn't do 10 day tours in these shorts w/o cycle shorts underneath if they weren't well fitted and good quality*. A few 1000 miles in them and no signs of real wear. Comfy.
*Fit may or may not suit you etc but for VFM it's hard to argue. I rate them anyway. Edit to add, I ride them in crp weather and for long days and still prefer them over lycra.
I don't get the need for pockets - I carry stuff in a Camelbak or jersey pockets.
I just need some venting and a tougher waterproof bit on the seat. Any other features are lost on me and my wallet.
You think baggies are exspensive!!
I feel like I should be paying for a premium rate phone number for this kind of talk
You may feel like they will never fit you, but keep going. Place them properly on your legs and buttocks. Now bend over and pull the Y frame carrier (the bibs) over your shoulders. Now stand up. Close your eyes and feel them. Feel how they grab your body without hurting you. Next, get on the bike. It will feel like there's an invisible hand gently pushing you forward. This is the special feeling of T.campionissimo, featuring the specially developed ASSOS-specific textile, Type A.444 ergoKompressor - it's phenomenal!
https://www.merlincycles.com/funkier-mtb-rider-baggy-shorts-62177.html aren't bad for <£30, recently bought a pair of the very bright blue to replace an ageing pair of Endura 3/4 Humvees.
Think the Humvees cost me <£40 in 2006, RRP is getting on for £60 these days and there seems to be a lot of reports of them not being great quality (my ones have been worn loads, often my go-to casual trousers unless it is the middle of winter)! 😯
Aldi ones cost me about a tenner. And are excellent IMHO
I'm still wearing my spesh baggy shorts and inners I must have bought 9 years ago...and they are still in goodish nick. Says a lot about the quality.
Good baggies are way more weatherproof than lycra, far less unpleasant to crash in and last ages. I've been wearing the same two pairs of Endura Singletracks for about 5 years!
There's plenty of inexpensive baggies tbh. My most worn shorts are some Altura Mayhems, they cost me £20 a pair (except the pair I got free from MBR). Longlived, comfy, all that good stuff.
But waterproof is more expensive than cheap boardies etc, for obvious reasons, the fabric and construction is different and they're more niche. And totally worth it IMO.
I have worn all sorts over the years and the most comfortable by far are the mountain warehouse shorts .
I never would have bought them but my wife gave me some one birthday and they are great (cheap as well!).
Not for the brand fan boys!
I don't get the need for pockets - I carry stuff in a Camelbak or jersey pockets.
For me, for cash while in a bar/cafe or stuff while faffing with bike or anything else - for off-bike normality, or because cba with backpacks much and often wear tops w/o rear pockets. I have some Giro shorts w/o proper pockets and hardly use them for that reason now. I did question the inclusion of pockets on the FWE shorts at first. At the weekend I found the rear pocket great for holding a phone in a place where I could get it out and take pics easily while riding when I wanted. I could do without one pair of them, but having 1 or 2 is good.
The ONE TIME that i put my phone in my backpack, I managed to clip my pedal on a rock and go OTB - with my bike following and landing on top of me.
It smashed my mobile screen - as well as writing off a shock pump and mini-pump by bending the shafts).
Back to hip pocket for me.
i use endura zymes in plain grey. £30 5 years ago. expensive.....you decide.
Question should not be why are baggies so expensive, but why do people pay silly mony for baggy shorts?! Don't think I've ever paid RRP on a pair of shorts, most expensive around £50.
But, jeez, what sort of mug would you have to be to click "BUY!" on something like this:
https://www.stif.co.uk/mtb/product/sweet-protection-mudride-short-scorch-red/13686
"Oh, but they're really nice quality an that.." Pillock!
£129.99 😯
Good heavens.
"Oh, but they're really nice quality an that.." Pillock!
What an odd thing to say, what d'you care what someone pays for their shorts 😕
I'd rather be ripped off and wearing a pair of over priced baggies than be seen in anything lycra. In fact I'd rather give up mountain biking altogether than wear lycra.
Lycra is wrong. Just wrong. It's 2016 FFS, why hasn't this shit been banned yet?
[i]What an odd thing to say,[/i]
Did you notice what the thread is about? Well, that's my take on it.
Your only opinion is what I say is strange? Start a thread about that then.
DezB - Member
Question should not be why are baggies so expensive, but why do people pay silly mony for baggy shorts?! Don't think I've ever paid RRP on a pair of shorts, most expensive around £50.
But, jeez, what sort of mug would you have to be to click "BUY!" on something like this:
https://www.stif.co.uk/mtb/product/sweet-protection-mudride-short-scorch-red/13686"Oh, but they're really nice quality an that.." Pillock!
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They charge an extra £30 for the red version as well 8)
chakaping - Member
They're only expensive if you pay the silly RRP, eh?
Usually fork out £25-£35 for top-end shorts in the sales.
Not Endura. They're price fixed (sorry, distributor has careful control over who sells what and prices are held high to "keep LBS competitive" 😉 ), so discounts are very small.
Bloody expensive in my opinion considering they rip every year or two. Gone through three now, and last one lasted less than twelve months!
i am with km79 on this. i would not wear lycra ever, in any shape or form. it is hideous. and on any male aged over 30 it should be made a crime to wear it.
Not Endura. They're price fixed
Hence I don't have any Endura garments in my wardrobe, apart from a Stealth jacket I got at 50% discount.
I do own a pair of baggies, but they are mostly a nuisance - flapping around and catching on things. Unnecessary imo. I don't care particularly what I look like or who I offend. Lycra is just functionally better for cycling.
I do own a pair of baggies, but they are mostly a nuisance - flapping around and catching on things. Unnecessary imo. I don't care particularly what I look like or who I offend. Lycra is just functionally better for cycling.
No, what you have is a pair of Ill fitted shorts. None of my Madison's 'flap about' and catch on things.
Yak - MemberI do own a pair of baggies, but they are mostly a nuisance - flapping around and catching on things.
Do you imagine that everyone else is just putting up with flapping around and catching on things? For whatever reason you're having a problem that most users don't have- fitting maybe? Or a poor choice of shorts?
I wear Lycra if it's too hot.
But there again I am gorgeous.
Dakine 8 track (I think) - ok if you have knee / leg armour and too baggy without. They caught my bars once and threw me off.
Also a pair of dhb somethings as recommended on the 'slim baggies' thread. Ok I suppose, but the flapping is distracting and anything with a waistband is annoying when I usually just wear bibs.
What's really slim cut and doesn't flap then? No pads worn under?
I do own a pair of baggies, but they are mostly a nuisance - flapping around and catching on things.
There's baggies and then there's baggies!
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I just had to sew up a pair of 7 year old Endurance Zyme shorts. Good as new now.
I got some of these on holiday and they were very comfy and made of ripstop type material. [url= http://www.decathlon.co.uk/500-bermuda-shorts-grey-id_8355977.html ]decathlon linky[/url]
These are great. And cheap.
[url= http://www.decathlon.co.uk/500-mountain-bike-cycling-shorts-dark-blue-id_8354173.html ]http://www.decathlon.co.uk/500-mountain-bike-cycling-shorts-dark-blue-id_8354173.html[/url]
Fantasy island RRP's used to make you think the correct unit price is a bargain. A well worn retail trick still employed to this day.
Anyone for £40-50 pound nylon jersey........ it's got branding on it come on.
How about a £60-70 MTB tyre.
I don't get the need for pockets - I carry stuff in a Camelbak or jersey pockets.
Phone + Liftpass + Card + (maybe) trail map? Then again I hate riding with things on my back and if I can I avoid it.
The only shorts I have had that have lasted more than a year of riding are cheap 20GBP TLD moto shorts from China. Everything else just dies 🙁
All the Lycra haters have something in common,apart from hating Lycra 😉
Yak - MemberThey caught my bars once and threw me off.
But... how?
Feel how they grab your body without hurting you
WTAF?!
aAnyone for £40-50 pound nylon jersey........ it's got branding on it come on.
How about a £60-70 MTB tyre.
Smaller production runs, different materials, higher distribution costs to smaller retailers? Higher aspirational value? Of the tops in my wardrobe these days it's the Rapha and morvelo I'm reaching for, much nicer feel and cut. For stuff that will probably end up being 10-20p an outing I'm happy. On top of that some nice designs go a long way.
Question should not be why are baggies so expensive, but why do people pay silly mony for baggy shorts?! Don't think I've ever paid RRP on a pair of shorts, most expensive around £50.
But, jeez, what sort of mug would you have to be to click "BUY!" on something like this:
https://www.stif.co.uk/mtb/product/sweet-protection-mudride-short-scorch-red/13686"Oh, but they're really nice quality an that.." Pillock!
They are really nice - wore a pair practically every ride last winter. Only paid £80 for them tho.
But... how?
Ahem, hopping up a kerb into a tight turn, shorts caught on the turn I think, ahem.
Gashed my leg, blood everywhere. My kids were waiting for me at the trail and weren't impressed. 😳
All the Lycra haters have something in common,apart from hating Lycra
What's that, not looking ridiculous?
In answer to the original question, I don't think for the most part they are expensive for the most part. Obviously the £120 exception earlier is the exception - but just wait for the sales. I have some TL Skylines which are about as understated as it gets & they were about £30 a pair - same with some Intrepid shorts.
On the turbo, if I just chuck on some normal sports shorts I end up looking like i'm wearing hot pants - the cut is completely wrong.
£30 for shorts that last years is hardly the high roller lifestyle 🙂