[Closed] Who is JEFFSY

She's pretty!
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Wheels are a bit too big though 🙂

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That looks sweet, numbers look good too. Shame about the stupid name and the ad campaign (not that I care one way or the other), all they needed to do was release the riding video because it's awesome! Little Gwinn pinning it, 29er doing a 360, bar dragging, packed full of win!

Spotted a very stealthy black one under Dirt's Steve Jones earlier this week, looks very nice.

Adverts came out 29 days before launch date. Not exactly a huge surprise

Too short for me, which I'm quite glad about - as I know I won't be tempted.

Funny.

Silly ad campaign which created a whole lot of pointless angst & fuss, particularly when nobody knew what it was about.

I'd have to get a medium to fit a reverb which gives me a reach of under 450, combined with the 66.9-67.6 HA I'm out.

Stupid ad campaign for a dull looking generic bike.

I'm out 🙂

also I cant seem to see anything that states rear travel...

Well that video should shut up all the dumbarses that think 29ers are just for xc.

Black one looks lovely.
How can you "Hate" an ad campaign? Just bloody ignore it! 🙄

Bit..................meh.
Looks like a [s]Trek[/s] Specialized.

I cant seem to see anything that states rear travel...

140mm front and rear

I'd have to get a medium to fit a reverb which gives me a reach of under 450

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450! Or to put it another way, despite everyone and their dog going longer/lower slacker, it's 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

And that seat tube mast makes sizing up a problem.

I thought they'd have learned from everyone saying the Capra was too short, but they must genuinely disagree. Strange.

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450! Or to put it another way, despite everyone and their dog going longer/lower slacker, it's 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

Similar to the Gwyn fiasco, who gives a fek when it's actually released??

The marketing campaign is utter bobbins, therefore I'm out.

thisisnotaspoon - it's 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

Strange isn't it? The geometry on paper isn't really much better than quite a few bikes.

Could have been great, but ended up being a resounding 'meh'.

Hmm, would have been interested in the XL but the seat tube height means I wouldn't be able to run a 150mm dropper, shame as the rest of the geometry is sorted, it'll also probably look like a gate in XL.

Also yt's prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they're not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

thepodge - Member
Adverts came out 29 days before launch date. Not exactly a huge surprise

awaits the next one that comes out 27 and a half + a little bit more days from launch

Bit..................meh.
Looks like a Trek Specialized.

Also yt's prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they're not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

Also yt's prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they're not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

Bottom spec alu Stumpy is a poor comparison to the bottom spec alu Jeffsy, and that's £2200 vs €2200. So still a pretty good saving.

Also yt's prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they're not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

thisisnotaspoon - Member

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450!

Yup, but they recommend the large for everyone over 5'8 so it's essentially a medium. And it's an 18.5 seattube? Weird tbh, it's like they've just put the wrong size stickers on them. Wheelbase is pretty on trend for a big 29er really, not as big as a geometron or the mega 290 but comparable to a trailfox or remedy (once you've gone up a size on the remedy, as you do)

(I've slightly drunk the long wheelbase koolaid but I might have overdone it... I was expecting great things from the Mega based on the sizing but tbh it felt very similiar to the Trailfox, if I'd guessed I'd have said it was the same size, maybe a bit more reachey. It's left me feeling like maybe you hit diminishing returns. Maybe not. Maybe it's not actually as big as it says?

TBH- first LT 29er, you probably shouldn't be going mental... the geometry's still a lot more progressive than a lot of the competition.

Also I like that the raw colour is Rawr.

Scienceofficer - Member

Well that video should shut up all the dumbarses that think 29ers are just for xc.

Some chance, Aaron Gwin won sea otter on a 29er and Tracey Moseley won All The Enduro on her Rememememedy, that didn't stop them.

Re and TTe are the same as a 2016 enduro large and a 2013 mega TR large given or take 10mm either way. So I think reach is on the money.

most peoples L is an 18.5. I think what YT have done is pretty standard

I agree L is the new normal, I used to always be a medium and now I take a large in bikes, weird marketing bull.

My thoughts on the Jeffsy are shut up and take my money, it looks great.

Anyoen knwo where the video was filmed?

Before I waste my time and do it myself - how do the geo numbers compare to the Hightower?

The Hightower was the bike I have been lusting over as my dream "next bike" but ~£6,000 for one was a touch crippling.

Re and TTe are the same as a 2016 enduro large and a 2013 mega TR large given or take 10mm either way. So I think reach is on the money.

To me that demonstrates that the reach is too short, but we are probably different body shapes.

If I was YT I'd have made the seat tube lower and the top tube longer though, you can't fight progress!

Cali. George. As per.

hoke - Member
Cali. George. As per.

Looks very European to me at the start there

Hightower is lower, so you can fit a longer reverb, and 5mm longer (though its lower at the front too so if you put 20mm spacers under stem to get the same stem height you would lose a few mm of that reach)

Northwind - the geometry's still a lot more progressive than a lot of the competition.

Interesting to have no ISCG mounts. How would I mount a skid plate for 1/2x where you can't run a bash?

Regarding the reach, a designer (Keith from Banshee possibly?) wrote an article basically saying that to have a similar handling feel to a 26/27.5 bike 29ers needed to have slightly shorter reach for a given length ETT. Or something. I guess 29ers are inherently more stable so you don't need the extra length at the front but they are a bit longer at the back so to try and keep the wheelbase short and maintain easy handling a shorter reach makes sense. Certainly this is the case when you compare the Banshee Rune vs Prime and Spitfire vs Phantom. I'll try and find the article, it made a lot of sense to me.

Regarding the reach, a designer (Keith from Banshee possibly?) wrote an article basically saying that to have a similar handling feel to a 26/27.5 bike 29ers needed to have slightly shorter reach for a given length ETT. Or something. I guess 29ers are inherently more stable so you don't need the extra length at the front but they are a bit longer at the back so to try and keep the wheelbase short and maintain easy handling a shorter reach makes sense.

For the same reach and head angle the extra length of the fork extends the wheelbase quite a bit, that why early 29er were steep, to keep the contact point with the ground nearer to the rider than if you just used 26er geo.

Looks very European to me at the start there

Looks like Spain at the start.

Regarding the reach, a designer (Keith from Banshee possibly?) wrote an article basically saying that to have a similar handling feel to a 26/27.5 bike 29ers needed to have slightly shorter reach for a given length ETT. Or something. I guess 29ers are inherently more stable so you don't need the extra length at the front but they are a bit longer at the back so to try and keep the wheelbase short and maintain easy handling a shorter reach makes sense. Certainly this is the case when you compare the Banshee Rune vs Prime and Spitfire vs Phantom. I'll try and find the article, it made a lot of sense to me.

While there may be something to this in theory, I've found I can go much faster on a 29er with properly long reach (and short chainstays).

Meant the Gwin bit.

The bigger question is:

Who knew Charlie the bikemonger could actually ride? 😉

The biggest problem I have with this is assuming some of my hard earned cash would end up in Gwins pocket.

Not watched the video yet but appears to be the bike and kit from his instagram picture in Spain the other week.

Short compared to recent 29ers but some people have short upper bodies or prefer old skool geo

chrismac - Member
The biggest problem I have with this is assuming some of my hard earned cash would end up in Gwins pocket.

When did Gwin become the Rupert Murdoch of the bike world?

Anyoen knwo where the video was filmed?

Madeira maybe?

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/five-reasons-why-yts-jeffsy-is-one-of-the-coolest-29ers-out-there-46763/

"We trotted off to Madeira to find out more…"

Completely passed me by this, so it's another, not so imaginative campaign foryet another, [i]#Enduro[/i] type, "trail bike" Big effing whoop...

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450! Or to put it another way, despite everyone and their dog going longer/lower slacker, it's 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

So fashion dictates that it should be longer/lower/slacker? They've sold a boatload of Capras despite them being 'too short'.

Wouldn't expect this to get too much love on here seeing as it's a 29er (they were cool/niche a few years ago, not now) and not made in small batches by hand by a man in a shed with wacky-sized wheels or strange-shaped handlebars. 🙂

Plenty of love for 29ers on here Grum. You should try a nice long one and see what you think.

I think you have a Capra? I'm sure it's a great bike for a longer legged rider but I suspect many of the "boatload" they've sold have gone to people who've read the rave reviews and been dazzled by the spec - but not really got to grips with the geometry.

grum - Member

They've sold a boatload of Capras despite them being 'too short'.

To be fair, if it was possible to demo the bikes I'm sure some people would go "this is too short" and not buy it. As it stands I know a couple of people who've moved them on very fast or replaced the frame due to sizing. Not a knock on the capra btw, I've ridden a large a few times and it's very good. But I'm a classic medium so I shouldn't be getting on a large and going "this isn't very long" really.

(I just bought a large Remedy; I'd level the exact same criticism at that)

TBF I love my medium Capra but the small I should have been on according to their sizing guide would definitely have been too short (thanks STW).

I just suspect some of this 'all bikes have to be longer now' stuff is a bit 'emperors new clothes'.

The Capra is like my Pitch but shorter/lower/slacker/lighter/newer/shinier - which is what I wanted.

I have tried a 29er - can sort of see the appeal of the big wheels (unlike 650b which I maintain is snake oil despite owning one). I thought only 29+/boost (or whatever it's called) is cool now. 🙂

I have long arms and short legs, the longer trend right now suits me

BoardinBob - Member
chrismac - Member
The biggest problem I have with this is assuming some of my hard earned cash would end up in Gwins pocket.
When did Gwin become the Rupert Murdoch of the bike world?

In my view when he appeared to overtly put money and his own sense of worth as the number one priority. Im not saying that makes him unique or even in a minority of riders but its my perception of the situation.

Prepares to be shot down in flames. Just giving my view

chrismac - Member

In my view when he appeared to overtly put money and his own sense of worth as the number one priority. Im not saying that makes him unique or even in a minority of riders but its my perception of the situation.

Prepares to be shot down in flames. Just giving my view

Don't get that. He thought he was worth more than he was being offered, so he turned down an offer, and accepted a better one.

Racing liek that is a tough life. He's got a few short years left to be best in the world and make a few quid. He could crash tomorrow and never ride again. Good luck to him.

I generally put money at the top of my job selection priorities when it's the same job at different companies too. Can't see anyone doing the opposite in real life either, despite what is said on the internet, are you really saying you would purposefully not take the highest paying job you could if you were offered the same job at several different companies?

I know it's cool to not like Gwin but he's an amazing rider and has put years of hard work into getting there.

generally curious, where people are saying that its too short what are you comparing it against?

how much longer are the long bikes everyone is talking about?

Simonpieman - Member

generally curious, where people are saying that its too short what are you comparing it against?

I wouldn't say this one's [i]too [/i]short. But it is fairly short, at a time when basically everything is getting rapidly longer. I have a medium trailfox which and it's bigger than the larger YT, for a couple of years' old design, and that's one of the closest competitors.

But then with the YT's messed up sizing you do really have to compare medium with large I suppose.

how much longer are the long bikes everyone is talking about?

I think Kona have set the benchmark for nu-skool geometry, this is the Process 111...
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Mondraker's bikes, Giant Reign, Canyon's Strive Race and Orange's new Five, Alpine and Segment are all long too. And the BMC Northwind is talking about.

But then with the YT's messed up sizing you do really have to compare medium with large I suppose.

Doesn't work in real life though. Saddle won't drop far enough on the large Capra 'cos of the seat post.

I think Kona have set the benchmark for nu-skool geometry, this is the Process 111...

So the difference in reach measurement between 'setting the benchmark for progressive nu-skool long geometry' and being 'too short' is 1cm (on the mediums vs a Jeffsy)?

I'm far from an expert on geometry so there could be something I'm missing here.

Too short is too short, 10mm can have a big effect on the ride feel. Ditto 5mm on the chainstays.

But one thing you're missing is that YT's high seatmasts stop short-legged people like me and Podge sizing up.

I'm 5ft 8in on a large Process and it fits brilliantly. As I said above, I couldn't ride the large Capra and even if I could it wouldn't be quite as long as I'd like.

That process looks pretty conservative tbh, the reach looks alright but the wheelbase is fairly stubby. (I jus thad a look at my nerd-chart that I made for shopping for 29ers and it's shorter than almost every bike I looked at, except the Spectral and the Intense Unaffordable Thing.

Nukeproof Mega, for what seems a very fair comparison:
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Now THIS... I would like to ride this massive Pole.

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chakaping - Member

Doesn't work in real life though. Saddle won't drop far enough on the large Capra 'cos of the seat post.

The large Jeffsy has a sub-19 inch seattube, according to the charts. Longer'n I'd choose but I'd still expect to get a 170mm reverb into that. (that's not the be-all and end-all, I like dropping a seat further than this sometimes, but I think most people will stick to the length of their dropper. Most folks think I'm weird for sometimes dropping a 150mm Reverb in the frame!)

Loads of people moan about the Capra being too short but I"ve just spent the day on one and it rides really nice. The WB is shorter than my Alpine with it's 64* head angle but I can't complain about anything now that I've finally managed to get the Pikes set up properly. Only reason I won't buy one is cos the Wife and Bro-in-law have them and 3 in the family might look a bit wannabe-team.

I predict they'll sell loads and they will actually ride pretty well.

Tom KP

That process looks pretty conservative tbh, the reach looks alright but the wheelbase is fairly stubby

It is short next to a Mojo or the Pole or even the Mega 29 - but the steeper HA and shorter CS make it very nippy and amazing fun, while the long reach still keeps it super stable.
I might like to try 1 degree off the head angle, but I'm wary of messing with such a winning formula.

Have you read the review on the dirt website? It's quite predictable...

Have we done the bottle and cage yet?
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chakaping - Member

It is short next to a Mojo

Pretty much the same length as a Mojo HD3 actually- but with more reach. But then my 2010 hardtail has more reach than a HD3, because Ibis are weird.

BTW- I wouldn't want to draw any conclusions from geo tables, I'm not saying "long is better" or anything- just making comparisons for the Jeffsy.

Also, the more I type that name, the less likely it is I'll ever own one. FFS.

I meant a Mojo Geometron.

I'm sure there will be many happy Jeffsy owners anyway. It's just too short for me.

I like it.

chakaping - Member

I meant a Mojo Geometron.

Oh yeah, that makes more sense 😆 I should have realised that.

They've made a bike that they know will sell well.

Had it been as progressive as me, Northwind and Chakaping might have liked, sales may not have been as good.

As it stands it's not different enough from what I have now to tempt me but then I'm playing with a 65 HA so not much is.

I noticed people commenting that it's like the current Stumpy 29, and I assumed that view was akin to the usual "looks like a Session" comments on every new DH bike. However, I've just been looking at the geometry charts and they are pretty similar! Looks like a great trail bike and the geometry is conservative enough to not tread on the toes of the Capra whilst also suiting less shredalicious owners.

I'm just not quite sure why everyone is suddenly obsessed with having a long bike. IME long is great for blasting down stuff fast in a fairly straight line, not so great for tight corners, fiddly technical stuff or jumps without long takeoffs (cos it feels like the front half of the bike is in the air way before the back).

I lengthened my Pitch slightly by putting 36 vans on it and it felt great in some ways but I'm definitely happier on a shorter bike (5'8 on a medium Capra). Totally unscientific but I have hit drops and gap jumps on my new bike I was too scared to do before and I'd be very surprised if I wasn't faster downhill/overall - despite my bike being 'too short' and 'not progressive'.

Different things for different people but it seems most people would prefer longer than shorter.

The new long and low is great for some people (like me) who have short legs and long monkey arms. I am 5"6 and on a medium Aeris and it feels wonderful. Its just another option which makes sense to some people and less to others.

My new bike feels much better all round than my old shorter one, more comfy climbing and descending. Not that the other one was bad, this just feels better.

Like Podge said...

grum - Member

I'm just not quite sure why everyone is suddenly obsessed with having a long bike... lengthened my Pitch slightly by putting 36 vans on it and it felt great in some ways but I'm definitely happier on a shorter bike (5'8 on a medium Capra).

Its not just about wheelbase, but reach. And you know the YT sizing chart has you on a small Capra right? So you have also 'gone long'.

Personally I like the look of them but the size thing is a concern (not sure if I would be a med or large)....
Is there anywhere you can actually go and try em for size (eg are they likely to have a stand at fort William)?

I think what matters with sizing is sufficiently short seat tubes and the range of sizes going long enough in reach to suit riders who are both tall and like a bike with long reach. In light of the long dropper posts that are popular I'm surprised at the longish seat tubes but they're not that long really.

This is interesting in a deeply geeky manner:

Because the suspension is more progressive than other 29ers it'll generally use less of its travel, so feel shorter than 140mm most of the time (and thus pump, jump and pedal better) but when you really hit things hard that extra travel will open up. It's a similar leverage curve and progression to my Spitfire, which feels fantastic.