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Made this thread about a month ago, doing it again! I'm sure you've all seen the Santa Cruz V10 Fatty, was wondering whether to get one of those, and try and get a rear end built up, or a different frame? My worry is clearing the bottom bracket, and they've used some kind of spacer setup at Phil Wood... Would love to hear everyone's input! Hopefully not so much sarcasm this time. I'm sure the reason why is quite obvious too! (:
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should...
The forks will probably need to be different.
Those must have the 29er kit installed, which means only 4" of travel.
I don't see how that can match the rear.
Bluto manages 120mm, but I don't know if there are other options - the new DVO upsidedown fork? Modified old Shivers?
Looks great though - bet it's hilarious to ride!
@TomHoward, sod off with the fatbike hate, it's what I want, and it would be damn awesome
@Alex Simon, what do you mean, need to be differnt. Would the forks in question not be functional? I was going to go with the Snozocchi Method, with some old high travel DC bombers! Yeah, must be a blast!
i bet the front tyre is very close to the stanchions, BFL's are very wide though, might need to run something smaller unless you just ride in dry conditions
TomHoward, sod off with the fatbike hate, it's what I want, and it would be damn awesome
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No fat bike hate from me, mine is currently my most ridden bike. No Santa Cruz hate either, I've got 2. Just wondering why you'd ruin all the good work the suspension does by plonking gert great fat wheels on. Personally I'd just go for a bearclaw, something loosely designed to work with fat tyres.
Your money though.
Probably is, I wouldn't really want to run 5" though, most probably 4". And well, I currently have top end Cove STD with Totems, Fox DHX 5, the lot but the thing is, even with the Maxxis Minion 2.5"s, it really struggles off the trail. I mean the slightest branch will send you flying, its got no real foot in the ground. But whereas with my fatbikes I don't need a trail, it just rolls over pretty much anything. Hence me wanting that crazy grip and footprint, on a freeride bike so I can thrash it beyond the trails 😉
That's a "show bike". As far as I know it's never been ridden - certainly not in anger.
Sorry, but I think you are settling yourself up for a fall with this one.
How tall are you?
@Alex Simon, what do you mean, need to be differnt. Would the forks in question not be functional? I was going to go with the Snozocchi Method, with some old high travel DC bombers! Yeah, must be a blast!
I just meant that the DUCs in the picture look the part, but unless you're happy with 4" front and rear travel, they aren't going to provide a 'downhill' bike any more than an off-the-shelf full sus Salsa/Turner/9zero7 (those are the production Fat FS bikes I know of).
@Scotroutes, fair enough, but it's something I really want and I think I can make it work. I mean I think I could make the Snowzocchi forks no prob, I know someone who can help machine me all the bits, maybe even a 135mm 20mm front hub! And then, build a rear end from scratch as opposed to rewelding an old one for max strength, though I'm not sure who to ask about that, some reccomendations would be very helpful! My worry is which front end to use and whether it'll be able to clear the tyre. I mean, the rear end would(could) even be built to 190mm, but I'm not sure if that'd be worse.
@AlexSimon, that is a brilliant point! I mean unless I can get the extra travel, it's not really worth it is it? And I was under the impression that those were modified Dorados, no way would a DUC32 be able to fit big fat larries!
They reason I'm asking how tall you are is to make sure you are taking into consideration the tyre diameter, plus the suspension travel you want. I reckon you're going to need to be 6'2" or thereabouts? Also remember that the swing arm will need to be very, very long for the same reason.
Oh my bad, I forgot to mention, I'm 5"5 but still growing haha 🙂 oh and if it's reinforced it should be fine?
[quote=officerfriendly ]Oh my bad, I forgot to mention, I'm 5"5
Got a photo somewhere of your current bike setup with the ECR? Have you worked out how much space you have between the bottom of your saddle and the current rear tyre, then worked out the diameter of a 26x5" tyre and added on the amount of suspension travel you are after? Or, alternatively, worked out how high the BB will need to be to accommodate that amount of travel?
Risse Racing do a fatbike Trixxxy fork, travel is down to 3.8" though. Apparently Dorado's work without modification but not 100% sure!
Got a photo somewhere of your current bike setup with the ECR? Have you worked out how much space you have between the bottom of your saddle and the current rear tyre, then worked out the diameter of a 26x5" tyre and added on the amount of suspension travel you are after? Or, alternatively, worked out how high the BB will need to be to accommodate that amount of travel?
No I haven't worked any of that out! I was under the assumption that upon getting a frame, I could simply contract a framebuilder to build a back end based on the old one, just slighly longer and much wider? Here's a pic if it helps! I included one of my freeride bike which is probably a better reference point, espcially seeing that the ECR is a medium!
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Risse Racing do a fatbike Trixxxy fork, travel is down to 3.8" though. Apparently Dorado's work without modification but not 100% sure!
The Trixxy looks pretty cool! And I honestly do not believe that lol
I award this "most STW thread ever"
Loving the rack on that STD! Full marks!
Loving the rack on that STD! Full marks!
Somewhere to store the sandwiches for after you've smashed out a lap at crankworx. Semenuk's getting on board I hear.
the lot but the thing is, even with the Maxxis Minion 2.5"s, it really struggles off the trail. I mean the slightest branch will send you flying, its got no real foot in the ground.
Sorry but I'm calling Troll or at least serious operator error here 🙂
If the Surly is outperforming the Cove then the world is broken.
He's talking about riding off trails, which i took as just hacking around wherever you want to go. THe Cove'll suck at that like almost all other mountain bikes.
ah off off road, makes more sense, but a massive full sus dh fat bike will suck that too.
Pink leather chair???
@rocketdog not sure if you're being sarky but I'll take it as a compliment! The guys at the LBS wouldn't stop going on about how ridiculous it was, I just wanted a way to carry some stuff, there's no good places here so I have to cycle quite a bit and therefore carry quite a bit too!
@Northwind, thanks for explaining you've totally got it!
@Mikewsmith I think it would be very good actually, my mukluk is superb, I just want that kind of grip on a freeride bike, and be able to go seriously off the trails!
I don't know if I didn't word it properly, but in my question I meant the front end of the frame, not the bike. As in which frame would be ideal? I was going to get a rear end built for it, could even get the dropouts built at 190mm wide but I still don't quite know how it'll clear the tyre, with the frame being standard bb size?
OP I'm not sure if you noticed but something horrific happened to your cove.
Not read all ^^. Could you get some new crowns made for dual drown forks just a bit wider?
^ did read all point remains!
Did I miss what happened with the OP's planned custom cargo fatty?
What happened Frosty? And @bigdean that was exactly what I was going to do! Similair to the Snowzocchi build posted on the interwebs a whileback, grab some Monster Ts, and widen the whole thing up by getting new crowns and steerer fabricated - it all bolts on as far as I can see 🙂 my concern is in the frame! Like I said even if I can get a new swingarm built, how would it clear the standard bb? And regarding the Cargo bike, I just got an ECR which I'm very happy with! (:
[quote=officerfriendly ] Like I said even if I can get a new swingarm built, how would it clear the standard bb? You'd have to extend the BB shell to accommodate a longer crank axle. Find your last thread on this subject and have a look at cynic-als homebuilt FS fatbike and have a very good look at it. Check how how much rear travel there is, how close the tyre is to the seat tube and the height of the BB. Then ask Al how tall he is....
No one mentioned Mendon Cycles Lefty Fork conversion yet ?
Does it even need a modified rear end, why not try just a fat front? You get the added grip/footprint/rollover/whatever it is you think you need in the place where it'll make the most difference. Then you can consider whether the pros outweigh the cons enough for the rear.
Use your cove? That way you know it's the tyres making the difference, rather than any changes in the geo. that and you'll save a bit, which is good as from what youve said this is going to be very expensive, for what's just an experiment.
Thats never fitting most of the uplift trucks I know about
So what is your definition of "Seriously Off the Trails" are we talking Rampage or boggy hillsides?
there's not a DH bike in the land that wouldn't benefit from an extra 3 inches of completely undamped travel.
there's not a DH bike in the land that wouldn't benefit from[b] losing 3 inches of properly controlled travel in order to gain[/b] an extra 3 inches of completely undamped travel.
ftfy
You'd have to extend the BB shell to accommodate a longer crank axle. Find your last thread on this subject and have a look at cynic-als homebuilt FS fatbike and have a very good look at it. Check how how much rear travel there is, how close the tyre is to the seat tube and the height of the BB. Then ask Al how tall he is....
Don't think it's possible to extend the bb shell, it would run out of thread? I asked on mtbr and finally got an answer - you use a standard size bb and a long (say 100mm) crankset and use a ton of spacers! Don't know how I didn't see that! He actually offered it to me, and I was going to buy it, but I kind of wanted something a bit more...I'll have another look at it though! In terms of the geo, I just figured I'd buy a full suspension frame, then just remake the back end based on the original - work with a frame builder?
Does it even need a modified rear end, why not try just a fat front? You get the added grip/footprint/rollover/whatever it is you think you need in the place where it'll make the most difference. Then you can consider whether the pros outweigh the cons enough for the rear.
Use your cove? That way you know it's the tyres making the difference, rather than any changes in the geo. that and you'll save a bit, which is good as from what youve said this is going to be very expensive, for what's just an experiment.
Well I want it to be a full fat. To get it to fit on the Cove the steerer tube of the monster Ts will have to be remade to 1.5". That could actually be very interesting! I have to get it remade anyway, why not 1.5"? xD 150mm wide, 1.5" Monster Ts on a Double Wall 80mm rim with a 5" Surly Bud. I think I'm going to wet myself hahaha Oh and I'm not too worried about the money, as long as it comes out alright!
So what is your definition of "Seriously Off the Trails" are we talking Rampage or boggy hillsides?
Not quite sure what Rampage is but let's go with that. I just want to be able to thrash it down off anything, unlike my Cove which is only decent on the actual Trails.
Does anyone have any reccomendations of a frame to use? It needs a 1.5" headset, 83mm bb and at 6" of rear travel.
To get it to fit on the Cove the steerer tube of the monster Ts will have to be remade to 1.5"
No it won't. Use a reducer headset.
Well I want it to be a full fat.
Have a new rear end made for the cove, if you must.
as long as it comes out alright!
I think you may have to vastly expand your definition of 'alright'
Not quite sure what Rampage is but let's go with that. I just want to be able to thrash it down off anything, unlike my Cove which is only decent on the actual Trails.
troll senses tingling....
Does anyone have any reccomendations of a frame to use? It needs a 1.5" headset, 83mm bb and at 6" of rear travel.
Orange 223 DD (or non DD if you stick with a 1 1/8 HS), with 10mm of bb spcers, plus easy(er) to make a rear end. though with all that lot above attached, you may find a moto trials bike is lighter, and cheaper.
Why not go for the super monster t, what with money, sense and weight seemingly being no object?
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All you need is a bit more space for 4" tyres. One big huck and the rebound could put you in orbit : )
Right. Thank you Tom, for picking apart every word I said. Really, thank you. I don't get why you have to be such a dick about it.
@Jameso who doesn't want to go into orbit? 😀
Here's one that a manufacturer spent a fair bit of time developing, earlier....
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By the time you've strapped your crossbow and hunting knife plus your days haul, its going to be a weighty beast no?!
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Have a look on one of the two 29+/650b+ threads at the moment, someone has a Spesh enduro 29er, with 3" 650b tyres. OK it's not 4", but even at high end spesh prices it'll be less than the ammount of fabrication you're talking about.
Right. Thank you Tom, for picking apart every word I said. Really, thank you. I don't get why you have to be such a dick about it.
You do seem to spend a lot of time on here asking really 'out there' questions, then presumably eventualy coming to your senses/reading the responses. Either that or you're writing this whilst eating your snare caught rabbit on day 100 of your self sufficient fat cargo bike adventure.
You occasionaly come accross a bit:
http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
Putting a bit more thought into your questions and acting on the responses might make people keener to contribute constructive advice. If you actualy built that cargo fat bike first, or went on that bivi trip, then people might be more inclined to provide input to your next scheme, otherwise they're just spending time giving you information for no reason.
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I want a full fat! I've figured out how to make the forks, just need to find a frame now. And no, I do not wish to pick apart my Cove (:
You do seem to spend a lot of time on here asking really 'out there' questions, then presumably eventualy coming to your senses/reading the responses. Either that or you're writing this whilst eating your snare caught rabbit on day 100 of your self sufficient fat cargo bike adventure.
Hahaha that's funny xD But fair enough lol. I'm just asking curious questions! To be honest I'm really suprised you guys actually remembered all the questions I asked so kudos for that! And I am definitely going to go bikepacking sometime! I signed up for DoE as well, so hopefully I'll find some people to go with and learn how to actually do it all. And [i]I[/i] can't even remember why I wanted a Cargo Fatbike LOL. But one thing is for sure, I am definitely building a downhill fatbike! Best wishes (:
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Putting a bit more thought into your questions and acting on the responses might make people keener to contribute constructive advice. If you actualy built that cargo fat bike first, or went on that bivi trip, then people might be more inclined to provide input to your next scheme, otherwise they're just spending time giving you information for no reason.
Okay, good point, I'll bear that in mind (: I'm sorry if I've offended anyone?
I'm growing fond of Mr Friendly's posts, from his Nascar Orange 5 for sale to that Cove which just makes me smile and think there is hope for his generation.... and I never tire of seeing that living room!
Salsa Bucksaw is 32lb. Carbon one is approx 300g lighter...
I'm still trying to work out what you would be carrying to require that rack on your cove.
Can you give us a sort of idea what terrain this Fat DH bike will be used on?
rampage? It would be the definition of free ride
Not seeing anything fat out there 😉
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone?
No ones offended (I think), that rack on the cove is a bit bonkers though!
More real life bonkersness (with pics or it didn't happen) and less calling people a dick when they point out the flaws in your bonkers plans.
It would be the definition of free ride
Not seeing anything fat out there
HOLY SHIT. That is AMAZING. God, that looks like so much fun. That's the kinda riding I really want to do!!! Are there any places like that in the UK? I live NW London, but I'm up for travelling! (rack on cove!) That is seriously amazing though. I really want to do some kind of riding. The hilarious thing is, even though I've got some pretty decent bikes, I haven't actually ridden them much at all. I mean that is kinda the point LOL. Most fun I've ever had on my bike was in Cornwall, story time? I disassembled my ECR completely to get it to fit in the boot lol, and just went exploring the country in it, which was pretty amazing, it's beautiful. I went in search of the ocean, it was a couple of miles from where I was, and I asked some locals, and I'm pretty sure they sent me off in the complete opposite direction. The weird thing was they were like 80 and seemed to be dead serious :/ but the beach was west and they told me to go east! I just decided to keep going west, managed to see the ocean in the distance and came across one of those country paths. I followed it down, and man it got steep. Like seriously steep. I started going very, very fast on a blind trail, I couldn't see what was coming up. It was scary as hell, but incredibly exciting. And then it started to get even steeper, and before I knew it, I was going so fast and I couldn't even stop because it was so slippery, the only thing I could do was hold on for dear life. I was going at least 30mph, bouncing all over the place on my ECR, it was crazy. Probably the craziest thing I've ever done in my life. And boy was it fun. I felt so alive. I was lucky, it didn't end too badly, it could've been waay worse! The whole thing was just huge rocks with overgrown thorns and a stream flowing down. It was almost impossible to walk up because it was so slippery! That's pretty much the most riding I've done though. I really really want to do some freeriding, it looks like insane fun! The coolest thing was though, I finally managed to find the ocean in cornwall, and it was like the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I felt like I was on the edge of the world. It was breathtaking!
I'm growing fond of Mr Friendly's posts, from his Nascar Orange 5 for sale to that Cove which just makes me smile and think there is hope for his generation.... and I never tire of seeing that living room!
Aww thank you! It's nice to hear something nice! (:
Salsa Bucksaw is 32lb. Carbon one is approx 300g lighter...
What on earth is the point? I really don't get the point of losing 300g...
I'm still trying to work out what you would be carrying to require that rack on your cove.Can you give us a sort of idea what terrain this Fat DH bike will be used on?
Me too tbh! I just wanted to be able to go to far out places on it, and still be able to carry like food + water, and my full face helmet (: Well, the whole point is for it to be able to be a freeride bike off the trails. Weird since I haven't ridden my actual freeride bike yes I know I have an obession with the bikes themselves...But I'm still building it! I'm getting some Monster Ts which I'm going to get crowns and steerer tube machined so that it's 150mm wide, enough room for a 5" bud with a 1.5" steerer tube. It'd be so crazy which is why I'm so desperate to do it! Won't be cheap though lol
No ones offended (I think), that rack on the cove is a bit bonkers though!
More real life bonkersness (with pics or it didn't happen) and less calling people a dick when they point out the flaws in your bonkers plans.
Good (: Yeah, LBS said the same thing but they came round haha! More real life bonkersness? Are you trying to say I should post bonkers stuff I do here with pictures? haha that's funny, I didn't really think anyone would actually care hence me just asking questions and not posting any actual content. Most of the stuff I post is met with a lot of uncalled for sarcasm LOL before I've even started being silly so I don't think I want to do that. If I post anything it'd prob be on mtbr. I will deff post my downhill fatty when it's finished though! (on mtbr) and he was being a bit of dick:
Why not go for the super monster t, what with money, sense and weight seemingly being no object?
troll senses tingling....
I think you may have to vastly expand your definition of 'alright'
and for the love of god if you don't want to read this shit nobody is making you!
Not got much homework on tonight then?
and for the love of god if you don't want to read this shit nobody is making you!
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Not seeing anything fat out there 😉
Just imagine how much less digging they'd need to do!
That's what I thought on seeing the ECR, it's great. So great I scanned passed the Cove with a rack on the back. If I wore a hat I'd doff it. Fredism is a good thing and usually takes ~40 years of cycling to achieve, you're halfway there already 😀think there is hope for his generation
I'm almost 100% sure that this is a fairly obvious troll after that last vivid story, but a little part of me keeps making me read this thread whenever anything is posted...
On the off chance you are serious, go and ride your bike. Take the rack off of it and go and do one of the many first class trail centres in the country, that'll be a good place to start. After you've found out how good biking actually is you'll probably stop getting notions to build ridiculous looking fatbikes.
Aww thank you! It's nice to hear something nice! (:
Woooah, wait a minute, there's only one other person on here that I've seen do back-to-front smiley things....and that's Cougar.
Nah...it couldn't be.
Could it?
Either that or you're a free thinking, reasonably articulate (for your generation 😉 ) nutjob. If that [b]is[/b] your living room, or that of a significant other, this option does all tie up.
Or a troll.
I really hope it's the nutjob. 😀
I'm almost 100% sure that this is a fairly obvious troll after that last vivid story, but a little part of me keeps making me read this thread whenever anything is posted...On the off chance you are serious, go and ride your bike. Take the rack off of it and go and do one of the many first class trail centres in the country, that'll be a good place to start. After you've found out how good biking actually is you'll probably stop getting notions to build ridiculous looking fatbikes.
Well to be honest, I just had a really cool experience that I thought I'd share. I do realise I do tend to go off a bit, but ah well. It's hilarious yet quite concerning, the fact that you all keep thinking I'm trolling. Really concerning. It makes me wonder how I come across. I'm not too good at expressing how I feel through the internet, and I guess my enthusiasm probably makes me look a bit nutty! It's still concerning though! Well I have Thurs and Fri off school, I was thinking of going down to Aston Hill, I've heard really good things about it, even though it does look a bit meh. I'll see how the rack does (: Maybe I'll see about the Fatbike, but I'm still building it! I figured out what kinda frame I need too, so I guess we can shut this thread down?
That's what I thought on seeing the ECR, it's great. So great I scanned passed the Cove with a rack on the back. If I wore a hat I'd doff it. Fredism is a good thing and usually takes ~40 years of cycling to achieve, you're halfway there already
Haha thanks, I LOVE the ECR, it's really awesome! And just an fyi, all my bikes I bought/built with my own money (which I earned), which I'm pretty proud of. I mean I'm no spoilt brat. The ECR is awesome! It's like an earth rover. For roaming the earth! It's even got a Dynamo, so like fully self sufficient. If you wanted to, you could put 3 1.5l bottles on it, a dozen pack of energy bars in the back military bag (ww2 btw!) and just cycle back to the ends of the earth! (cornwall!) It really is kinda magical. I just want to go back there, and just camp under the stars. It'd be really amazing. I think I should find a girl to go with! I want someone like Lael! I'm talking about Nicholas Carman's Gypsybytrade blog if anyone doesn't know what I'm on about, it's the most amazing blog ever! And he has an ECR 😀 Well it's pretty much because of him I have one though!
God, I ramble on! What is Fredism?
Woooah, wait a minute, there's only one other person on here that I've seen do back-to-front smiley things....and that's Cougar.Nah...it couldn't be.
Could it?
Either that or you're a free thinking, reasonably articulate (for your generation ) nutjob. If that is your living room, or that of a significant other, this option does all tie up.
Or a troll.
I really hope it's the nutjob.
Hey man, that kinda hurts okay. I mean I get I come across as a bit nutty but I think that's just because I can't express my enthuisiam properly! And jesus christ, the comments on my living room! It's not even that bad, my mum just likes purple! What really gets me though is how much you guys remember what I say! That's kinda sweet haha 😀
Edit: why do you all think I'm a nutjob? I'm really curious
Do the bikes with racks and Brooks saddles fitted belong to your parents? You'd get torn a new one by your peer group if you rode such things, surely?
i should be at Aston on Thursday
Perhaps before creating a mega beast for conquering the great canyon gaps of the south east and riding off the trails (normally a no anyway as you damage the ground) try riding some of the amazing trails in the UK. You have hundreds of miles of bridleways, trail centres everywhere, the likes of Bike Park Wales that would probably suit the cove down to the ground etc.
Do the bikes with racks and Brooks saddles fitted belong to your parents? You'd get torn a new one by your peer group if you rode such things, surely?
umm I don't hang around with this lot
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i should be at Aston on Thursday
Sorry, I didn't go to Aston, it's quite far and I was a bit worried it might be too wet! I did go to Whippendale woods in search of the jumps there (with no luck!) but my Cove is now caked in mud! 😀
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Perhaps before creating a mega beast for conquering the great canyon gaps of the south east and riding off the trails (normally a no anyway as you damage the ground) try riding some of the amazing trails in the UK. You have hundreds of miles of bridleways, trail centres everywhere, the likes of Bike Park Wales that would probably suit the cove down to the ground etc.
You've got a real good point there! I'm definetely going to try and hit Aston! If you've got any reccomendations near NW London, I'd love some (:
And I really think I'm in the complete wrong place here. As in STW. Man I really need to find some people my age to do crazy shit with. And y'all never answered my question!
[I] Oh and I'm not too worried about the money, as long as it comes out alright![/I]
That must be nice, to have an infinite amount of money at your disposal.
[I]HOLY SHIT. That is AMAZING. God, that looks like so much fun. That's the kinda riding I really want to do!!! [/I]
You should definitely go there and sign up for the next one
That must be nice, to have an infinite amount of money at your disposal.
What the **** are you talking about?
You should definitely go there and sign up for the next one
Where is there?
And y'all never answered my question!
Actually I did, twice. But you were so wrapped up in thinking I was 'being a dick about it' you failed to notice.
Try bikeradars forum, youll fit in better there. or just stay under your bridge?
I meant my question about being a nutjob. But yeah just forget it, I got it all worked out now anyway. And dude you were being a dick.
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