[Closed] Which 2012 frame most closely resembles a late '90's explosif?

Frame geometry will be the deciding factor regarding replicating the ride characteristics.

[b]2004 Explosif[/b] geometry [url= ]here[/url]

[b]2006 Explosif[/b]:
Frame Sizes 14" 16" 18"2 19" 20"
Head Angle 68.7° 68.7° 69.2° 69.3° 69.3°
Seat Angle 72.2° 72.2° 72.2° 71.3° 71.3°
Top Tube 21.4" 21.9" 23.2" 23.7" 24.3"
Chainstay 16.7" 16.7" 16.7" 16.7" 16.7"
Head Tube 3.5" 3.5" 4.3" 5.1" 5.9"
BB Height 12.2" 12.2" 12.3" 12.4" 12.4"
Standover 27.7" 28.9" 30.3" 31.2" 31.6"

[b]2010 Explosif[/b] geometry [url= http://www.konaworld.co/bike.cfm?content=explosif ]here[/url]

Aha, found the [url= http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=12413 ]1997 geometry[/url]

The Sanderson frames were apparently based arround the old Kona's, they're also pretty similar to the original inbred. Rides really well but I've got a Swift now so no need for 2 singlespeeds (it's geared frame, but I've run it with a tensioner).

I've an 18" Life I keep meaning to put some effort into selling if you'd be interested. It's in good consmetic condition, cable rub etc is just starting to be visible, if you want that 'new bike' look then I've a contact who can do a really good job of powdercoating it for £50, he did my road bike and it's almost paint quality.

£185 delivered/posted

they're also pretty similar to the original inbred

Now this might be a bit contentious but I've still got an Inbred and it is the least inspiring bike that I've owned. Not sure how the different geometry would have affected the ride but whilst the explosif felt lively the inbred feels inert.

That Sanderson certainly 'looks' right. Cheers for the offer.

tinas, just sent you a note to the email in your profile.

Cheers!

I may be wrong but isn't the Soul based around old Kona's?

I rememeber an e-mail exchange with Cy before I bought my Soul, and he told me the inspiration for the Soul was his desire to put long(er) forks on his Kona.

Buy an expolsif and get a disc mount welded on it, It's steel so it's doable.

There's a guy on retrobike who runs his '94 explosif with 100mm forks.

I'm toying with putting a disc mount on the back of mine and single speeding it, which is currently hiding in the loft.
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I have singlespeeded my Explosif. I have put an old 100mm Fox Foat on the front with a disc brake, and I am running a Magura HS33 hydraulic rim brake on the back. In its present guise, it's a lot of fun.

I have heard mixed results with trying to retro fit a disc brake on the rear of old Konas. Some have destroyed the rear end. Certainly when I enquired, I was advised not to - hence hydraulic rim brake which doesn't seem to put too much stress on the seat stays when used.

what about a charge duster? always thought they had a bit of 'old school' about them. might be wrong though, never ridden one...

You just described a Soma Groove
http://store.somafab.com/sogrhafr.html

The Sanderson frames were apparently based arround the old Kona's

I rememeber an e-mail exchange with Cy before I bought my Soul, and he told me the inspiration for the Soul was his desire to put long(er) forks on his Kona.

And pretty much every other steel hardtail avalable these days takes some if not most of its inspiration fron 90s Konas. 🙂

Check out the Charge Duster, too; the geometry may not be spot on (although it's built around a 100mm fork, so perhaps not too far off). In addition, though, it's made of super-skinny steel, like Konas of old...

that soma is fantastic.
as a past owner of a bontrager privateer, a ritchey tubed fisher hookoohekoo, and a explosif, i reckon this type of bike is the best and comfiest riding bike ever.

how about the voodoo's? designed by joe murray. Sure my sobo and djab feel like an old kona

http://web.archive.org/web/20090304111643/http://www.voodoocycles.net/08_djab.htm

Either:

Buy a 90's explosif, add a disc mount get it powder coated and build with 80mm floats and lightweight kit. I would try to get as much XTR M950 as possible as new stuff looks too "chunky" to my eyes.

Or get something custom built with the same geo, unlikely to be as cheap.

Perhaps you are looking bnack with rose tinted glasses. On a 90's explosif with 60mm elastomer forks you ain't gonna keep up with the pack on modern bikes unless you are fitter!

I miss my groove 🙁
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as a past owner of [s]a bontrager privateer, a ritchey tubed fisher hookoohekoo, and a explosif[/s] every bike ever made, i reckon this type of bike is the best and comfiest riding bike ever.

Perhaps you are looking bnack with rose tinted glasses. On a 90's explosif with 60mm elastomer forks you ain't gonna keep up with the pack on modern bikes unless you are fitter!

Have you ridden a 90s Kona recently? I think not. If anything it will be faster and require less fitness.... They are bloody FLYING MACHINES!
Light, direct, fast, and they climb like a rocket.
They really are THAT good. That's why they have such a following 🙂

souldrummer - Member
I have singlespeeded my Explosif. I have put an old 100mm Fox Foat on the front with a disc brake, and I am running a Magura HS33 hydraulic rim brake on the back. In its present guise, it's a lot of fun.

I have heard mixed results with trying to retro fit a disc brake on the rear of old Konas. Some have destroyed the rear end. Certainly when I enquired, I was advised not to - hence hydraulic rim brake which doesn't seem to put too much stress on the seat stays when used.

I've thought about a magura brake on the rear, but how are they on a steel frame? Do the seat stays flex or have you got a horseshoe brake booster on it?

I have to say that PP has it right. After I had rebuilt my Explosif I was surprised at just how good it was - in fact a lot better than I remembered. Have not done long rides on it as I used to, but for a quick 1-2 hour blast around the North Downs it's a lot of fun.

I used to run it with Marz Z2s but it seems to cope well with 100mm Floats quite well.

how about the voodoo's? designed by joe murray.

I currently have a sobo and it's very close to how I remember the explosif, and it may well be rose tinted glasses as pointed out above but even the sobo doesn't feel quite as agile as I remember the explosif being. Could be the differance in frame materials or I am willing to concede that it might be me that's not quite as agile rather than the bike.

The sobo has had several years use and has amassed a few dings along the way which is why I am starting to think about what its replacement will be.

I had a quick look and it looks like the sobo is still available from the U.S. This might be problem solved.

Or get something custom built with the same geo, unlikely to be as cheap.

I've thought about a magura brake on the rear, but how are they on a steel frame? Do the seat stays flex or have you got a horseshoe brake booster on it?

Weren't Explosif's made from nice True Temper steel while to be honest an Inbred isn't made from the highest grade of steel out there? I'm not trying to put the Inbred down just pointing out that there are other differences than just geometry. Maybe you are feeling the difference in material? Or is it rose tinted specs time?

Agree with PP. I've yet to find a sweeter handling bike than my 99 explosif. Had a soul that was almost there, but not quite.

I reckon the chromag sakura might be worth a look.

Mine's (94 explosif) made from Tange Prestige

My dad fitted 100 mm forks to his '95 Kilauea. I think it was better with rigids or 60 mm Judys. You can't expect a 90's kona to take a 100 fork and retain the same feel.

I currently have a sobo and it's very close to how I remember the explosif, and it may well be rose tinted glasses as pointed out above but even the sobo doesn't feel quite as agile as I remember the explosif being. Could be the differance in frame materials or I am willing to concede that it might be me that's not quite as agile rather than the bike.

The sobo has had several years use and has amassed a few dings along the way which is why I am starting to think about what its replacement will be.

I have a massive dent on mine which is why i'd never sell it. I've also got a djab. I borrowed my mates rigid explosif and rode it around ashton court.

I rang him straight after and asked if he wanted to sell it. He's also got a 90's kona hei hei which is equally amazing

90's kona hei hei

😯 😯 😯 WANT: a real thing of beauty

I have a horseshoe brake booster on the HS33. My Explosif frame is 853, but I suspect that the rear stays might be more conventional tubes. Even with the booster the stays flex a small amount under heavy braking, but the brake has been on there for years with no adverse effects.

Have you ridden a 90s Kona recently? I think not. If anything it will be faster and require less fitness.... They are bloody FLYING MACHINES!
Light, direct, fast, and they climb like a rocket.
They really are THAT good. That's why they have such a following

I second this. Was out on my explosif earlier & it's a rocketship.

If I had the money I'd have a hei hei with a disc brake mount and some Ti p2's with a disc mount welded on.

mustard............cheers 😆

My 97 explosif is Columbus Nivacrom Max OR, it only weighs 4lb. I had a disc mount welded on by Mercian in Derby about 10 years ago. I need to drop the travel on my SIDs to 80mm and put them on it.
Its the only bike i'll never sell

souldrummer, is yours a 98 blue with red decals?

My 98 Kona explosif got knicked, they took that rather than my Iron horse which was odd.

My 98 Kona explosif got knicked, they took that rather than my Iron horse which was odd.

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A thief with class

I used to race Explosifs for a few years in the early 90's. I've owned a Soul and now a Duster and I'd say they both have the same 'thing' going on but with more travel up front. I don't think you'd be disappointed with either.

eyerideit - Mine's 99 - grey with black/red decals.