[Closed] Which 100mm 29er frame?

Do you favour ti and if so which size would sir require as I know a place doing the perfect frame on huge sale which may suit you sir!

Stanton Sherpa?

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Yum.

Always used to hanker after ti but not sure the budget stretches that far plus my previous enthusiasm is somewhat tempered by various failure reports...

Considered a Sherpa but isn't it a bit more 'trail', ie. intended for longer forks?

It's designed around 100mm or 120mm forks I think. Much like the Solaris.

+1 for the Sherpa.

As well as looking very nice, being made from decent steel and being designed for a 100m fork IIRC - it also has 435mm chainstays.

I haven't ridden one TBH, but I've had a go on a 29er with similar geometry and it's amazing how much nippier it feels with the shorter rear end.

Sherpa sounds like an option.

Compared to an ali Superfly/Scale I presume Sherpa/Solaris type frame are a bit less racy?

Superfly not that racy

[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/hardtail/product/review-trek-superfly-7-14-48724/ ]Superfly review[/url]

I own a Ritchey

My thoughts are in this thread

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/recommend-me-a-nice-playful-light-29er-hardtail-frame

Unless your set on getting new then I reckon the On one Scandal is still an excellent bike, loved mine since I first got it and have no intentions of replacing it.

+1 for the Sherpa, really regret selling my frame, but a back injury forced me to sell.
Can't complain have a lovely new Salsa Spearfish to replace it.
Here's mine [IMG] [/IMG]

fudge, what bars are on that Sherpa?

vondally - read that thread and with hindsight I think I'm asking the same question, oops. Something about the P29 appeals, probably it being skinny and steel!

Thomson carbon trail bars and 50mm Thomson stem.

The ritchey is a grand old bike..I had two scandals mk 1 one in 18 one in 19...nver got comfy with either good bikes and understand why they get the positive reviews but IMHO the Ritchey is anther level

+1 for the Ritchey P29, having had the following 29er, On One Inbred, On One Scandal, Vassago Jabberwocky and Salsa El Mariachi, I have to say the P29 is the nicest 29er I've thrown a leg over,
I got mine from Alltricks and if you are a medium they currently have a really good price.

http://www.alltricks.com/mtb/frames/hardtail/ritchey-p-29er-hardtail-frame-blackyellow-102-231162.html

@Hopeychondriact, can you email me the link for the Ti frame.

breninbeenerATgmailDOTcom

thanks

Stanton Sherpa would be my choice. It's definitely better with a shorter travel fork than a longer one, as otherwise the BB gets too tall and the head angle very slack indeed.

Ritcheys are things of beauty. A bit out of date now compared to some, but gorgeous to look at. If anyone is after a medium sized mk1 (Red/White/Blue with sliding dropouts) Ritchey P29, give me a shout... I've got a brand new unused one I bought a while ago, with the intention of building it up with some kind of modern/retro setup. It's not happened in well over a year, so I might as well sell it...

@ breninbeener - here is direct link for you.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/litespeed-cohutta-29er-titanium-frame-2014/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=5360574624&ci_src=18615224&ci_sku=5360574624uk&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=UK_PLA_Components&utm_medium=base&utm_content=skH37nhRp_dm%7Cpcrid%7C67090789502%7Cpkw%7C%7Cpmt%7C%7Cprd%7C5360574624uk

It's actually a pretty good deal considering evans had the rrp of them at £1900 a few months back.

Need a large / 19" ish frame but thanks for the links.

mboy - when you say a bit out of date do you mean the chain stay length / head tube angles?

My rather uneducated thoughts from the other thread
.It is without doubt one of the most versatile bikes I have had, it is not the lightest nor heaviest BUT it is the most balanced bike, the weight distribution is tremendous, above all it just does without fuss - climbing yes good as expected not much faster than the rocky 29er but descending and I am a real take my time and yes I will not hurt my back the bike is quick, quicker than most of the 26 er and only marginally slower than some of my best times. It is comfy to ride, best with a carbon post, worst with a suspension post. Best forks are 120 with talas drop to 90mm or rigid - carbon on ones. The rigids lend them selves to be very very precise and not to bad on rocky downs. Head angle is 70.5 to 68/9 and so very wonderful stable but is good in singletrack. Dowsnsides, rubbed a patch of paint of with heel rub, straight steerer.....er not really light but that is okay as I am at times between 14 and 15 stone.

Biggest complements well 30 miles on Saturday 20 off and 10 on road 1800 ft of ascent and my 3rd ride following a rotated disc, I walked to the pub on Sat night, rode Sunday and went to work Monday.

Best Bike I have owned, probably not as I look through rose tinted specs on some others, but in the top 5, biggest complement it rides like a bike and you can build it up whatever way you like.

Ohh and it makes me smile

mboy - when you say a bit out of date do you mean the chain stay length / head tube angles?

Kind of, yeah. Primarily chainstay length to be fair, HA of 70 was slacker than just about anything else on the market for a good number of years to be fair, though is steeper than most these days.

Fridge - if you are interested I am selling my 5 month old Highball alu frame, large in the lovely blue colour... Drop me a pm if interested nd we can talk!
It' is a really great frame.

ron - will do

I have a large P-29er i might parting out imminently. Very very good condition. Probably done less than 500 miles with only a couple of marks on it. Sporadic internet access where i am just now but if you email me towards the end of the week we can talk more. Got the Sid RCT3 to go with it or a brand new Salsa Cromoto if theyre of interest.

This is mine here.

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=238621

Forget the "might" be parting it out. I will be parting it out. Email in profile.

I think it's fairly obvious that a Niner One9 is your best choice. One of which, coincidently, I've just stripped down with the intention of selling...

Can I just add the ff29, or the even lovelier Sync for your consideration? You did mention the ff29 in your OP, but it's clearly not clique-y enough and has been over looked by the more clique-y stanton.

There was an ff29 in the classifieds not long ago...

Fridge, what steerer is on your forks? Tapered or 1 1/8th straight?

Singular Swift well worth a look if it's the latter.

Ivan, just out of curiosity, what size is your niner?

I run my mk1 Solaris with 100mm forks for pretty much xc stuff (fun xc rather than racing or anything).

It feels great.

I love my ff29. I have absolutely no intention of selling it. Make of that what you will 🙂

I have a carbon superfly, with SID XXs. The bike is awesome. It's quite long so need to be careful with sizing, I'm a medium on everything else but need to run a short stem on the superfly (17.5" frame which confusingly is 18.5" virtual).

Wheels are only thing I'd change. I see a lot of them at XC races and they seem to be well regarded.

It's a large in anodised black, was going to advertise it with the matching Niner kit - bar, stem, post etc.

There are some pictures of the bike on here already if you search my history and I can get frame pictures tonight if you're interested.

That's a relief, I'm more of a medium sized man. I don't need another bike, but I think a 29er is in my future at some point. Cheers anyway, good luck selling.

Can I just add the ff29, or the even lovelier Sync for your consideration? You did mention the ff29 in your OP, but it's clearly not clique-y enough and has been over looked by the more clique-y stanton.

There was an ff29 in the classifieds not long ago...

If the FF29 had 435mm chainstays I've buy one over a Stanton myself.

I don't wanna sound like a bike geometry bore, but that 1cm makes such a big difference back there.

Okay, also not wishing to be a pedantic geometry bore, if the ff29 is the same geo as the sync, then they are 438mm.

I confess to only knowing that because following my earlier contribution, I took myself off to the Kinesis site, discovering that the ff29 is no longer listed and that there is now indeed a Sync option of a medium frame for 650b wheels. Which I found exciting and depressing in equal measure, one shortly after the other...

Slightly different geo between sync & ff29

Okay. Thanks

Really liked the look of the ff29 but haven't seen many for sale used and I think they've stopped making them?

Slightly different geo between sync & ff29

Similar but not the same...

Having owned a Sync, I was very impressed at just what a 29er with a 70 deg HA was capable of. It never felt too steep or out of its depth, and I took it down some fairly tech descents in the time I owned it. The 7mm reduction in chainstay length over the FF29 is quite noticable when you ride it too.

FF29 has indeed now been discontinued. Have a small frame for sale in black, about 20 rides old, belonged to my GF before she bought a Stanton Sherpa, if anyone is interested...

If the FF29 had 435mm chainstays I've buy one over a Stanton myself.

There are other differences than just the chainstay length... Being a geometry bore, and having had access to the bikes (and measured them properly) I can tell you that the FF29 has a static 71deg HA with a 120mm fork fitted. The Sherpa is over 4.5deg slacker, with a sub 66.5deg static HA with the same 120mm fork fitted, or is still only at about 67.2deg static with a 100mm fork fitted. The Sherpa's BB is also slightly taller (the only reason I'm not already riding one, as I like my BB height down in the weeds).

This is why I've just bought a Whyte 629 complete bike to strip for the frame... Similar sub 2kg weight as the FF29, chainstays at 440mm aren't mega short but usefully shorter than the FF29's, HA is sub 67deg static with a 120mm fork (the 68.5deg quoted on Whyte's website is for a 100mm fork with a Zero Stack bottom cup, not an external required for a tapered steerer), ETT and reach figures are nice and long so I can run a nice 50mm stem on a Medium for my preferred position, and they've lopped 25mm off the seat tubes this year to make 125mm droppers more easily accommodated. Oh, and even with a 120mm fork and 2.3" tyres fitted, the BB height is still only 308mm! Happy days...

That's interesting mboy, how does the 29r Sync compare? Did you go through the same process with that one?

I'm tempted by a Whyte 29er now...if only they made the 929 still 🙁

DeKerf Team SST, gorgeous.

http://www.dekerf.com/Details.asp?id=1

That's interesting mboy, how does the 29r Sync compare? Did you go through the same process with that one?

Sync is very similar to the FF29, just 7mm shorter chainstays and slacker by 1 degree. Otherwise geometry is pretty much spot on.

I'm tempted by a Whyte 29er now...if only they made the 929 still

Seriously, don't even go there! I missed the opportunity to buy one new because I was a bit broke at the time. Had assumed it wouldn't be a flash in the pan given that though it was only made in small numbers, and they all sold easily. Have tried unsuccessfully to purchase a 2nd hand medium sized frame a couple of times too.

Spoke with Ian Alexander, the Whyte designer about the bike before, and why it disappeared so quickly. Long and the short of it is that Whyte are a brand seen to be at the cutting edge of design and performance, but that they also need to sell volumes of bikes. Soon after the 929 was launched, the whole industry started talking about 650b and that 29ers would quickly be relegated to XC race bikes only. Whyte canned the 929 as quickly as it arrived, and brought out the completely revamped 650b 901/905/909 range that has won magazine award after award for the last 3 years running. So from a sales point of view, I suppose they were absolutely correct. Doesn't stop me wanting them to even consider doing a re-run of 929's though. Even a small Ltd edition run, frame only, maybe 50 units... The tools are already paid for so nothing needs a redesign. Unless they want to ditch the front mech mount and sling some 142x12 dropouts on there, but I'm just being picky now! 😉

That's why I'm considering a 901/905 - everything right apart from wheel size! Have you ridden one to compare mboy?

Here's my Kona Unit : http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/yet-another-steel-29er-hardtail

relliot, funny, I went looking for dekerfs from this thread.

nice:

He could do with refreshing the images on his site, couldn't he? Captioned "precision" above the SST: spindly ST cranks, rim brakes. Would put some off, I'm sure. Maybe he doesn't need those people.

Although GBP:CAD is better than it's been for years. If you've been waiting for an excuse...

mboy - Member
Soon after the 929 was launched, the whole industry started talking about 650b and that 29ers would quickly be relegated to XC race bikes only.

That makes sad reading for me. I'm not stating one wheel size is best or even better than another, just that it's nice to have the option of choosing a bike that suits you (sir)!

That's why I'm considering a 901/905 - everything right apart from wheel size! Have you ridden one to compare mboy?

Indeed... And...

I just prefer 29ers!

I've ridden some very accomplished 650b bikes in the last couple of years, but on pretty much all of them have just wished they had slightly bigger wheels! Hey ho.