[Closed] Where are all the Secondhand Santa Cruz Hecklers?

True- You did say that further up (its been a long week)- could you email or I can vice/versa?

Aaawwwwwwwwwww... a happy ending!

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Let the endless, and increasingly bad tempered haggling commence 😆

Hora, you should have an email

If you're 6ft with a 33 leg won't a 17 be too small? I'm 6ft with a 34 leg and can't get smaller than a 19 if I want to get the seatpost high enough to pedal properly, on an 18 a 400 post is a couple of mm above the min insertion line..
If you like the 'in' not 'on' the bike feel... Have you tried a 29er?...

Another bad move going down, way to small.

If you're 6ft with a 33 leg won't a 17 be too small?

Nah perfect fit for him surely

Yours 5 ft 10 on an 18 " Orange 5

6ft 2 on a large superlight here, 17" will be "chuckable" though 🙂

Hang on a sec, who said anything about [i]riding[/i]?

I'd be 'chucking' it in a hedge halfway up the first hill..

I'm 6'1" with a 33" inside leg and until recently ride a large (19") Heckler which was bob on. Anything smaller would have been too small. Especially as they have slightly short (could be read as fun and maneuverable) top tube.

[i]I'm 6'1" with a 33" inside leg and until recently ride a large (19") Heckler which was bob on. Anything smaller would have been too small.[/i]

You're talking to hora's hand.

My mate id 5'8" and finds his medium just about right. So it sounds perfect for Hora too 🙄

I bought a medium Santa Cruz chameleon off Hora. Size-wise it was perfect for me. I'm considerably smaller than Hora

Actually... can I have first dibs in next week 😀

All yours binners, I am 5'10 so to small for me!

these threads are amazing. Will hora really buy a 17" frame - tune in next week when the haggling's done.

I had a medium, it was too small at 5.9. Dinky top tubes ruined the heckler. Felt it was to steep as well.

Can't believe a superlight is going to be preferable to a 5-spot. When I back-to-back tested against a trance-x and a 2009 5-spot the superlight was rejected very early on - nice geometry but pedalling efficiency was way down - unless you like jiggling the pro-pedal lever I suppose.

I don't normally get involved in these threads but do enjoy reading them...

Anyhow, I do kind of get what Hora means about aesthetics; some bikes look poo in bigger sizes. It's one of the reasons I bought my Rune instead of the Covert. The large Covert looked like a gate, whereas the medium looked ace. According to the geometry chart, at just under six foot, I should be riding a medium Covert but the top tube was teeny and felt way too short.

Having ridden mediums fir years, I'm glad I've gone up a size. My Rune in large fits so much better than my SX Trail which makes riding it much nicer.

Hora, as your taller than me, you'd be mad to go for a medium Heckler...those top tubes are for umpa lumpas.

But a medium Chameleon was almost religious. Think and it'd already be turning that way. A large cham felt like a collection of low grade alu by comparison. Heretic!

SC have always been shorter on TT's? The Meta I like its toptube but then why but a larger frames seat tube to it?

Lapierre did the same....slapped a 20inch seat tube to a decent top tube....small wonder they then changed it in recent years

I'm shorter than you and my large Chameleon was one of those bikes that I wish I had never sold...it just did everything so well. I tried a medium, but it was so diddy there was no way that I'd be able to pedal it for any amount of time. Great fun for mucking about on but I wouldn't have wanted to cover any distance on it.

SC have always had tiny top tubes although newer bikes like the Bronson have got longer.

My large Rune has a 24 inch top tube which feels spot on for me with a 50mm stem. It's not quite as manoeuvrable as my medium SX in the tighter stuff due to the long wheel base and slack angles but it feels better on everything else.

Some of the smaller companies do seem to be adding longer top tubes at last.

I'm 5:10 & ride a 12" singlespeed and loved my 13" trail bike.

I'm drunk but personally love hora's threads. He is to stw what Jeremy Kyle is to the unemployed ( ie a god and constant source of entertainment!)

Tsk tsk. This isn't is shoe-sizing its in the relms of preference.

Tsk tsk. This isn't is shoe-sizing its in the relms of preference

and your preference seems to be for bikes that are too small for you which is possibly why you end up changing them do often? I'm 5'10 with a ~32" inside leg, I had a 17" Nomad which I liked (from a fit perspective) but I know I like (not think I like) smaller frames; the Nomad was replaced with a 16" Alpine 160 which has the same top tube length. I've had the Alpine 2 years and would only change it for something completely different for novelty value (eg. go from ~35lb tank to 25lb carbon whippety FS), its the best bike Ive owned and fits me like the proverbial glove, but most people my size would choose or recommend an 18" Orange.

IIRC Santa Cruz's own size guide put 5'10 at the very top of range for a medium/17", you may have liked the chameleon but as it was a HT other factors might have come into play in how your perceived it?

To all interested parties, have a peek in the classifieds. 😆

IIRC Santa Cruz's own size guide put 5'10 at the very top of range for a medium/17", you may have liked the chameleon but as it was a HT other factors might have come into play in how your perceived it?

Anyway Med heckler white 09 available collection or you courier from Tasmania 🙂

[b]HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA[/b]
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/fs-santa-cruz-blur-4x-frame-7 ]You really couldn't make it up![/url] 😀

And so Hora closes in on his lifes goal. To own every single Blur 4X that has ever rolled off the Santa Cruz production line. This one - number 378 - like the rest, is the wrong size too. The reason he shouldn't buy it is actually clearly stated in the listing! Genius!!!! 😆

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Could just be a mail complementing the sellers choice of fence paint?

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but... but... I give up

Not sure if Hora is still interested, but check out the classifieds

Wow thats shiny. Rubbed it down with GT85 by any chance? 😉

That cable-rub etc plus sc's famous pisspoor paint led me to that thought 😀

Binners my favourite size SC is medium. It just works Unlike the gates some folk ride..

Hora, hardly gonna try to sell it with dog eggs on it, am I??? 😀

That's my old Blur 4X frame. A little part of me will die if Hora ends up owning it.

Still it will give everyone on here a good laugh when we hear the same old phrases; "i'm sat on it, rather than in it" "the front end feels like it's tucking in on me" "I prefer a chuckable small bike" etc.

Isn't he a self confessed wobbler anyway? By chuckable, I assume he means easier to chuck in the back of a car?

Maybe he needs to spend a bit more time learning to ride, rather than mincing round & blaming everything but the bit on top 😉

Hob nob. You cant have ridden it more than tame blue runs. It looks STILL in mint condition now whereas my first blur4x was ex-Beaumonts and showed alot of riding scars/use. SC finish including ano wears. I know this from also owning a anodised santa cruz and actually riding it as a only bike week in week out.

Maybe you babied it? Saved your rough-housing for the keyboard?

Are you one of the idiots that goes on mlehworld btw?

I might own a bike for 3months or two years but boy they are used.

Touchy!

Well, funnily enough it never got much use, as I was too busy racing DH at the time.

When I did start riding it, it took about a week for me to realise it was far too small for me.

I ride a bike that fits me properly. Maybe you should try it? Might make you wobble a bit less?

I'll be the one pretending to ride down the full Mega track tomorrow, practicing for the race at the weekend.

It's funny the whole.. 'gate' versus 'too small' bike thing.

I think I'm with Benny Hill on this one, in that I'll happily take a bike that is 'too small' over something 'that fits'. My Ibis Tranny is a 17 inch / 'medium', which should be wayyyy too small for my 5'10" ass, yet it just [i]works[/i]. It's like riding an overgrown carbon BMX, flickable, chuckable and whippy, it's freakin' awesumz.. 😀

I can't get my head around the whole 'gate-for-a-bike' thing that seems to have taken vogue recently. I've even ridden them. They still feel like gates.

Hora, as you know, my old 4X was a medium and for me, at 5'8" was borderline being too short in the TT with a 70mm stem.

Confused. So you bought a bike/frame and didnt use it? Then slag someone off for riding their bikes.

Mega? You've lost me. If you got a tattoo of an anchor does that make you a sailor?

Yeah, like I said, too busy racing DH.

Mega? That would have been in reference to your post before you edited it...

Keep going though, it's funny.

Epic camel's foot there Binners!

*doffs cap* "chapeau" etc

I still dont have the foggest what you think you are typing.

The irony.

Still, buy it, complain about it & give us all a good laugh in a few months.

4 pages sums it up & Binners provides the humour as usual.

' I will be the one pretending to ride down the mega track tomorrow'.

Well I hope you will [i]ride[/i] it as you seem to talk the talk. I think the sailor/tattoo analogy fits you nicely (look at me/I ride a DH track(s)/this makes me awesome).. From now on (and if we ever meet) I'll shout its the sailor! 😆

BTW I never once complained about the large and medium Blur4X that I owned.

Anyway, get your Leat brace on, your fullfacer and get mincing.

The pretending to ride reference came from you editing your post, which you called me out for 'pretending to ride'.

Very conveniently now edited.

Have fun wobbling around 🙂

bit rich for you (hora) to call anyone a mincer

Eh. What have I ever minced in your Peaks or infront of you?

Epic camel's foot there Binners!

*doffs cap* "chapeau" etc

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that!

With regards to the sizing thing, I don't think that my Rune looks like a gate. For a large, it does hide its size well but more importantly I feel more comfortable on it. It's not quite as playful as the SX was but it climbs better and feels more stable on steeper stuff (which is partly down to the slacker angles).

I think I'm with Benny Hill on this one, in that I'll happily take a bike that is 'too small' over something 'that fits'. My Ibis Tranny is a 17 inch / 'medium', which should be wayyyy too small for my 5'10" ass, yet it just works

When people finally leave the tie up of the I'm 5'6 therefore I'm a Medium, this will run on and on.
The right size is the right size, different styles of bikes are sized differently.
Your arm, leg and torso length will knock you off a sizing chart unless you are Mr Average.

Has anyone looked in the wanted ads lateley ?

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would that be a reference to the Orange Patriot request?

Rob jackson, well was that a troll? I've never minced in the Peaks. You've gone quiet. I might own a mincer car like yourself but Im sure I can out descend you

Im sure I can out descend you

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What have you actually bought then? What transient bike do you presently own?

As this is the time of year when one tires of the trails, and seeks refuge in the comforting act of sitting there amongst a sea of parts and spanners, building up yet another frame

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Hes gone quiet.

Hora - bring it on - will batter you anywhere (on my bike that fits) - whats your strava id?

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a). I've no idea what strava does.
b). Answer the question- where have you seen me mince on a ride?

You've said this twice now. Curious.

the picture above??

set yourself up on strava - ride the usuals in the peak and see how you do

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - smell that testosterone

I have the strangest......

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See the picture above? What back in 2003 with and atrophied shoulder/arm just after a stay in hospital? Someone has an accident and gets above picture taken.

You said mince twice like you've seen me mince.

Strava- 'see how I do'? Are you talking about distance set by time? I'm talking about mincing riding not 'out-fitnessing someone'. Do you see the difference? You've never witnessed me mince down anything.

If I witnessed anyone mincing down anything I'd put it down to a bad day in the office. Some wouldn't. Hey ho.

speed dh has little bearing on fitness obviously so if i am quicker down a dh sector then i mince less!!

Gentlemen. Choose your weapons.....

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anyway there is a bike in teh classifieds that may fit your requirements [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/girls-bike-ridgeback-honey-new-unused ]Linky[/url]

Rob just about to set off out

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hora - you want one - so what's your point? I have offered you many chances to ride but you always decline, would love to meet you face to face to see if you really are as odd as on here and to witness your skills which i cannot come close too....
I suppose a fat kid will always roll down hill quicker than a thin kid 😉

Have you never been on one of the Peaks Pootles?

I find the mincing comment odd as I've never minced in the Peaks. Theres nothing really thats technical bar one footpath.

Did you buy another Berlingo?

does this feel like it's gone from a 'gently take the mickey out of hora' thread to "poking him with a finger and saying 'Come on then! Outside!'"

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not good.

I love STW as its a forum/a place to relax/not be stressed etc and goof around. Sadly it always goes the negative way. Grinds one down I admit.

Whilst I might be a bit late joining this thread I'll just stick my two penneth in. I have a 2010 Heckler, it's a medium and I'm 5'10" so according to SC I could ride either a Med or Lrg. My mate has a large 2009 Heckler which I could ride fairly comfortably but I have a lay back post and 90mm stem on mine and think it suits me just fine, very 'chuckable'without being too small. Oh and it's not for sale either, and probably never will be, cos it's great!

Never been on a pootle Hora due to the fact i hate riding in big groups as you cannot do the good bits as it draws attention to the area (parkin clough for example). Also i don't enjoy a "pootle" as such, like to enjoy a good climb/descent but not take ages over things. If i want to do a slower ride i will go alone as it is better than slowing a group down. Optimum ride group size is 5ish imo

I don't know any of you guys on here but c'mon !!! Hora try's /buys lots of bikes and enjoys it ..

I do too is that not what it's all about ?? As for size I'm sure op can decide what he likes to ride !!

I did chuckle through some of playground quips 🙂