[Closed] When is an Ultegra Groupset not an Ultegra Groupset?

What did the detailed spec say?

This one? Looks pretty full Ultegra to me:

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBPXSLPULT6800/planet-x-pro-carbon-shimano-ultegra-6800-road-bike

Does the description say it has an ultegra groupset, specifically? Or just that it has Ultegra parts?

Added the link, sorry. The detailled spec is correct, just feels wrong to advertise it as Ultegra with only 3 components that are 6800.They call it an Ultegra mix 😆

IHN, this one I think

[url= https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/EBPXEC13UOMEGA/planet-x-ec-130e-rivet-rider-shimano-ultegra-6800-mix-aero-road-bike?utm_source=The+Planet+X+and+On-One+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=e90b3e475e-Black+Friday&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_561486488b-e90b3e475e-271150057&mc_cid=e90b3e475e&mc_eid=f93658ddf6 ]Ultegra mix[/url]

Ah, this one

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/EBPXPC6800MIX/planet-x-pro-carbon-shimano-ultegra-6800-mix-road-bike

It quite clearly says Ultegra mix, and states exactly what's what.

Looks like a parts bin special

probably

and surely contrevenes some trades description rules?

don't be daft

Pretty common to do that most manufactures swap out the crank for a cheaper fsa one and the brakes on their cheaper models. As others have said, it clearly says 'mix'. Indeed some do it at the top end, Cannondale cranks are probably better than shimano.

I'd personally be more bothered about it being all old out previous generation stuff. Having said that I'm sure it works fine.

meh - shifters + deraillers. close enough.

cranks are seemingly optional. as above plenty of shimano groupsets with BB30 cranks.

Seems odd to mix sram in on casette & chain. but it'll function fine.

Specialized were terrible for this - check a xt/ ultegra level bike: it'd have a altus level cassette on. haven't looked for a few years - might have changed.

It's not even derailleurs though thomthumb, it's only the rear which is Ultegra. The front is 105.

Even a lot of supposedly "pure" groupset bikes sneak in a cheaper bottom bracket or cassette a lot of the time

I hate those thieving arseholes but even so, it's a mix with ultegra in, on this occasion they are not lying. At least not about that one thing, the warranty will be a lie.

That they refer to it as their "best selling groupset" is a touch misleading. It's a component bundle, not a groupset.

It's not that much of a shock TBH, "mixed" groups have been a thing for as long as I can remember...

DO you really expect to get a proper full Ultegra group on a carbon frame/fork for £800 with no compromises?

Let's be realistic, if you're buying a PX the front mech is probably the least of your worries...

I like the fact they also specify full ultegra groupset on other bikes which includes all the shit including cassette.
You know where you stand.

Lots of the pros are riding cheaper (ultegra) cassettes as it's an easy way to add weight. For me it should be shifters and derailleurs. I'm ambivalent about the front though, as they are basically the same.

Groupset means cranks and brakes. My Defy now is complete Dura Ac, including hubs!

there's basically only one BB that comes out of the Japan R&D facility and the seals are the difference between XT(R) and DuraAce/Ultegra; same for 105/tiagra/SLX/Deore from the taiwan manufacturing plant. doesn't make them any less quality

that PX does look a bit like a home build tho with all it's odd parts but it'd still be a good bike.

edhornby - Member

there's basically only one BB that comes out of the Japan R&D facility and the seals are the difference between XT(R) and DuraAce/Ultegra; same for 105/tiagra/SLX/Deore from the taiwan manufacturing plant. doesn't make them any less quality

Deore's definitely not just differences in seals, the races are less durable (I put one in my dh bike and hammered dents into it in a single day at fort william)