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Disclaimer: gave veganism a try!
I bet he’s Christian too.
Disclaimer: gave veganism a try!
Some of my best friends don't use animal products.
Medicines you mean?
There are some similar looking "Vegan Runner" tops at our local parkrun. I've toyed with having some "Omnivorous Runner" tops made.
How do you know when someone is vegan?
They'll ****ing tell you.
See also Ironman finisher.
they get Piers Morgan frothing at the mouth and his blood pressure through the roof so they are OK in my book.
I bet he’s Christian too.
Especially if the picture was taken in Lent. 😉
I guess he's stopped because he's tired and weak.
See also Ironman finisher.
+ rescue dog owner
I just don’t see the need to broadcast your dietary choices like that.
Makes the rest of us look bad!
How is he plural?
How is he plural?
Non-binary?
bigjim
Subscriber
I guess he’s stopped because he’s tired and weak.
😀
I guess he’s stopped because he’s tired and weak.
Like Adam Hanson?
How do you know when someone is vegan?
They’ll **** tell you.
No, that's someone from Yorkshire. Vegans get drawn into tedious debates with omnivores who feel threatened by someone who's made a different dietary choice.
Brilliant! I'm not vegan and I want one.I'm not above a bit of button pushing in the same way the sea is not above the clouds!
It would be fun hearing - "Bloody hell, look at that a chubby vegan" - as I stood there full of bacon roll in my misleadingly labelled and inappropriately tight lycra top.
I foresee a gammon implosion - "VEEGGGANNN - CYYYYYCLIST - Bacon lycra, red cabbage jumping ... aaaggghhh so much hate, can't compute" BOOOMMM as they explode in a pile of shredded gammon!!!
Can it have an EU flag somewhere? And a rainbow?
surely there is a climate change version with detachable sleeves that read "tree hugger" that would up the close pass rate by V8's in the down under world of denial
Vegans get drawn into....
Really?
Which group has somehow managed to shoehorn in the fact they have a different dietary preference when it's likely its completely irrelevant to the topic in hand (see "vegan cyclist").
Personally I don't give a toss what people choose to eat but its incredibly rare to see "omnivores" start these debates, rather its usually self-righteous vegans who throw the first punches. Sadly I feel this is likely a symptom of people who choose to use their dietary choices in lieu of personalities.
Personally I don’t give a toss what people choose to eat but its incredibly rare to see “omnivores” start these debates
In my 35 years of being vegetarian it has always been the meat eaters who start the debate. Nobody even knows I am vegetarian until it comes up when out for meal for example. The tedious debate then starts, a debate that will only ever end when they admit they only eat meat because they like the taste of it and put that above animals lives (which is fine if that is how they feel).
Instead of that they come out with all sorts of bullshit reasons.
sootyandjim
...Sadly I feel this is likely a symptom of people who choose to use their dietary choices in lieu of personalities.
Mate, I think you've been eating too much dodgy meat... 🙂
It's a dietary choice not a religion.
Nobody even knows I am vegetarian until it comes up when out for meal for example.
That's because you're not vegan.
It’s a dietary choice not a religion.
This is true. I'm getting my 'Extra roughage' jersey out for today.
How about this one to really annoy people?
but its incredibly rare to see “omnivores” start these debates
You haven’t lived 🤣😂
Try posting a vegan recipe. Or attending family social gatherings. Or refusing a pork sausage*
How do you know when someone is vegan?
They’ll **** tell you.
See also Ironman finisher.
SPOILER: this went well.
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/vegan-fun/
Ah! Your thread that completely back fired.
Nobody even knows I am vegetarian until it comes up when out for meal for example.
Nobody except anyone who reads this thread, then 😉
Biff and Chip must be really upset.
No, that’s someone from Yorkshire
I'm from Yorkshire
I know a few vegan cyclists. they're alright. I know some non-vegan cyclists too. They're mostly alright too.
Ah! Your thread that completely back fired.
They often do. I’ve started posting wearing my bomb disposal outfit. He was a cock though.
Sometimes best to wear full flameproof gear when posting on here.
Hard to feel the effect of flaming on here. I view you all as my Tamagotchi and only come here to feed you and keep you socialised and exercised.
Some good suggestions here! Taking orders
It’s a dietary choice not a religion.
You're confusing being vegan with eating a plant based biet.
Vegans don't use leather, wool, and other things one does not generally eat. Even certain brands of bike tyre.
Whatever happened to MidlandsTrailquestGraham?
He was quite entertaining on here, especially with his cabin in the woods house build.
He also dispelled the (tedious) myth that vegans are puny and almost transparent with weakness.
I like the Lifeboats top too.
It’s a dietary choice not a religion.
Questionable basis for following it, preachy attitude towards non-believers, demonising those not of the faith, willingness of some followers to use violent means to further their belief...sounds like a religion to me.
Shame there's still so much hate for vegans, especially on a cycling website.
CO2 reduction, animal welfare stuff, what's not to like?
Harry_the_Spider wrote:
Whatever happened to MidlandsTrailquestGraham?
he's still knocking around on Facebook so I guess he just stepped away from STW
Haven't got FB, please say hi from me, hope he's doing well.
Personally I don’t give a toss what people choose to eat but its incredibly rare to see “omnivores” start these debates, rather its usually self-righteous vegans who throw the first punches. Sadly I feel this is likely a symptom of people who choose to use their dietary choices in lieu of personalities.
As opposed to meme's about bacon?
cynic-al
Subscriber
Shame there’s still so much hate for vegans, especially on a cycling website.CO2 reduction, animal welfare stuff, what’s not to like?
I agree with Nick Al.
Shame there’s still so much hate for vegans, especially on a cycling website.
CO2 reduction, animal welfare stuff, what’s not to like?
I'm a teacher, when I talk about it to younger people I never see these kinds of opinions. Seems to be a trait of middle-aged white blokes on the internet.
It’s a dietary choice not a religion.
Questionable basis for following it, preachy attitude towards non-believers, demonising those not of the faith, willingness of some followers to use violent means to further their belief…
I find this interesting, mainly because there have been a few times when i have said the same thing to my wife.
Someone’s dietary choices are perfectly valid of course, but the zealous nature of some vegans does sound a little like some religious groups.
Can i just emphasise the word some? Obviously not all people are like this.
The reason being vegan crops up so much is likely due to most social things I attend being based around food. It’s hard not to mention it when being offered food!
Although most proper vegans give me abuse for not being vegan enough. If I’m not in shouting in someone’s face they don’t consider me a proper vegan. I don’t eat animals. Some people do. Let’s move on with our lives shall we!
Although the lectures about nutrition from most people probably outweigh it all!
Although the lectures about nutrition from most people probably outweigh it all!
I like the lectures on nutrition from the people who outweigh me.
Yeah most of them have never considered nutritional needs and what they are getting yet all of a sudden they want to know how I’m getting calcium or something!
It does make winding people up easy though. People bite so quick when you play the moral high ground card!
Shame there’s still so much hate for vegans, especially on a cycling website.
CO2 reduction, animal welfare stuff, what’s not to like?
But but they're different so we have to point and laugh.
It’s a dietary choice not a religion.
Since the word was invented/defined there have cropped up a few different definitions/perceptions. At it’s heart veganism is/ was a way of life and requires a moral/ethical stance and observance of what many would consider strict practices. So in that sense it would skirt some definitions of ‘religion’, and ‘philosophy’. With wider choice of commercially available fast-foods suitable for vegans the word itself is becoming more commonly defined to mean ‘eats/contains no meat or dairy’
The fact arising that the majority of humans in developed countries adopting a plant-based diet = officially our current best chance to save critical ecosystems/safeguard future life on the planet has seemingly only muddied the water in what should/could be a clear definition.
. It’s hard not to mention it when being offered food!
You kind of have to. I always do, whereas a mate always said he was allergic. I understand why - we were living abroad where vegan was an alien concept - but thought it was unfair somehow to those who are properly allergic and could end up in hospital.
If I’m not in shouting in someone’s face they don’t consider me a proper vegan.
But then there are super-dogmatic people for pretty much any minority/contentious argument.
One of my articles on here attracted a bit of a barrage from two or three such people on Twitter: I wasn't arguing that everyone should be forced out of their cars overnight, so I was "one of them", I was anti-cycling, anti-environmentalist.
The problem is that gammons enjoy the comfortable idea that these vocal and uncompromising people are fully and perfectly representative of something, and specifically something that they can encapsulate in a single noun in order to define other people, a sort of cookie-cutter of opinion. A cyclist, rather than someone who (sometimes or always) travels by bike; a vegan, rather than someone who (sometimes or always) eats vegan food. "Look at this militant cyclist; you're riding a bike, therefore you're a cyclist, therefore you're militant. Look at this furiously evangelistic vegan; you're eating vegan food, therefore you're a vegan, therefore you're furiously evangelistic."
All nonsense, of course. It'd be great for the environment if I rode my bike everywhere, but that's not realistic—today's commute is over 200 miles. It'd be great if I only ate vegan food, but even though I don't, making gradually more and more effort to eat less meat is still better than not doing so.
Was vegan one year for animal welfare and CO2 reasons. Pescetarian now trying to get back to veganism without any health compromises, had some issues with veganism as I'm not great at digesting soy or legumes.
I will say that the fake meats you can already buy in the store (largely soy based), taste as good to me as chicken or pork. Impossible burger is also great, just a bit less soy use and I'll go back to it.
https://veganhealth.org/ is a great, and not-too biased, reference for figuring out how to do veganism right. You don't need to go full stop on meats right away, just eating less also helps.
Yohandsome, Beyond burger uses pea protein, you might tolerate that better?
What health issues did you have? I'd bet they can be got around.
The problem is that gammons
You had to mention bacon.
You had to mention bacon.
I suppose as decisions go, that one could barely have been rasher.
bob_summers
Pumpkin seed protein is great, generally seed proteins are fine, rice protein is ok (but taste is an issue), i think /isolates/ of soy and pea can work fine in moderation - might FODMAPS in non-isolates I react poorly to.
In any case I'm gradually cutting down on animal products and experimenting with vegan replacements.
Yohandsome, if ever I'm cooking for someone with nut allergy, gluten intolerance etc I always look here if I can't think of something off the top of my head.
Shame there’s still so much hate for vegans, especially on a cycling website.
CO2 reduction, animal welfare stuff, what’s not to like?
Ah, well you are making the assumption that bicycles and Veganism, concern for the environment, animal welfare, etc are all fully aligned topics in the mind of every bicycle owner... I don't reckon they are, especially on STW as this is more of a Middleclass cycling forum; for every "How do I limit my carbon footprint?" thread there's a "Which V10 Rep-mobile to transport my wood burning stove and Gaggia?" thread. Some people on here claim to love riding bikes, while simultaneously disliking those who cycle on the road.
This forum is as conflicted as the rest of society, thus some of us care more about certain issues than others...
As for the Vegan Bashing? I suppose they're like Gingers, picking on them isn't really acceptable but those a little behind with their cultural norms, and prone to a bit of an outburst still do it and are generally 'tolerated' like a vocally racist Grandad who's probably going to die off soon enough anyway...
TBH I care not a jot about other people's culinary choices, and the "Cyclist" bit should be self evident from the fact that he's sat on a bike, so yeah it's clearly a "self-labelling/virtue signalling/looking for an argument jersey". If you really want to annoy such people, pay no attention to their chosen labels and treat them with the same respect and kindness you would anyone else...
In any case I’m gradually cutting down on animal products and experimenting with vegan replacements.
I did a ultra hike a few weeks back where there was a tonne of food including vegan alternatives. The Moroccan lamb curry was amazing, however the Jack Fruit version was far far nicer. Most of the other delicious too but the meat versions pipped it in those cases.
Jackfruit is ****ing disgusting.
Jackfruit is **** disgusting.
Had some last night in a shop-bought biryani. Entirely tasteless fruit IME, texture good, like hearts of palm or artichoke. Don’t understand violent reaction but no accounting etc. I did try it in a BBQ pizza once, bleurgh. Bad sauce.
In other plant-based news, had a ‘no chick-in’ (boom!) jalfrezi from Morrisons and the texture of the soy was disturbingly like chicken. V tasty curry.
All the jackfruit I’ve had has been far from tasteless. I find it a really strong flavour that completely overpowers everything else with a sort of sickly sweet tang that makes me retch.
YMMV, maybe I’ve just had jackfruit that’s been pickled in fermented pineapple juice or something 🙂
Not a massive jackfruit lover but then I didn’t really like pulled pork style stuff that much so anything that imitates that I probably won’t be into.
On second thoughts maybe I will get a vegan cyclist top just piss people off. I find it genuinely incredible the way people react to stuff that doesn’t really impact them
Personally I don’t give a toss what people choose to eat but its incredibly rare to see “omnivores” start these debates, rather its usually self-righteous vegans who throw the first punches.
The precise opposite of my experience. What I see is omnivores going on the offensive, presumably because they feel threatened by someone making a different moral choice about their food. It's pathetic.
Before the thread sinks any further into a hate filled cesspit of vegan bacon lovers fighting vegetarian omnivores, does anyone want to hear about the ironman I did in August?
Oh I honestly believe it probably only tasteS of what it is cooked in which was probably why it was so nice.
vegan bacon lovers fighting vegetarian omnivores
Would you rather fight one cow-sized lentil or a hundred lentil-sized cows?
Know one vegan cyclist. A bit annoying on-line, but sound bloke face-to-face. And bloody good rider.
Trying to steer clear from people's dietary choices. They are their own choices, nothing to do with me...
Cheers!
I.
Trying to steer clear from people’s dietary choices. They are their own choices, nothing to do with me…
At an individual level you are right. At a deforestation of the planet level you are wrong.
Every car user is an individual too, they still aren't helping matters.
being an obese cyclist in lycra should do the rick. ( not from personal experience I should add )
At an individual level you are right. At a deforestation of the planet level you are wrong.
Every car user is an individual too, they still aren’t helping matters.
Well... So who is "wrong" and who is in "right" then?
Me cycling with trailer 2 miles to buy half pig from local farmer shop or someone eating quinoa or chia from Bolivia or Chili, planted on de-forested soil, where local farmers has been eradicated or run-to-the-ground by multinational corporation squeezing every half-penny from producers/transport/end customer...
Hmmm...
Cheers!
I.
...presumably because they feel threatened by someone making a different moral choice about their food.
Ah presumptions.
Did they presume you were a vegan in this apparent debate you may or may not have made up, or did you previously inform them of your vegan 'status? If it's the latter, why did you feel the need to inform them of this?
As an 'omnivore' I've never felt the need to lead with my nutritional intake status and thus have never got into debates with friends and colleagues who are vegans and vegetarians, even when I'm having a 'non-meat day'.
Quite simply, people who shoehorn their nutritional status into conversations or use it to define themselves are both incredibly dull and tedious. Eat what you want and don't preach about it, because preaching is what religious people do.
mogrim
...does anyone want to hear about the ironman I did in August?
Go on then, tell us what you did to him... 🙂
Did they presume you were a vegan in this apparent debate you may or may not have made up, or did you previously inform them of your vegan ‘status? If it’s the latter, why did you feel the need to inform them of this?
I'm not vegan. What was that you were saying about "presumptions"?
Can’t we argue about wheel sizes/cycling disciplines instead?
Me cycling with trailer 2 miles to buy half pig from local farmer shop or someone eating quinoa or chia from Bolivia or Chili, planted on de-forested soil, where local farmers has been eradicated or run-to-the-ground by multinational corporation squeezing every half-penny from producers/transport/end customer…
Assuming you're having a laugh with those cherry picked examples, why not compare like with like? Ie, deforestation footprint of yer average meat eater Vs average plant murderer. Anyone got the numbers for that, would be interesting to see.
Yeah - someone told me there's a "novocado" restaurant in Fort William - which is a kind of protest name against avocados and the massive amounts of water it takes to grow 'em.
Which sounds all well and good, but gram for gram lamb is 47 times worse in terms of CO2 emissions alone.
Most of the anti-vegan hate is down to people feeling bitter because they tried to pick on a vegan at a restaurant for not liking bacon and being roundly trounced by their holier-than-thou actual winning of the argument (because they *are* holier than thee and me).
But then, I've not had kids, which is the single worst thing anyone can do for the environment, so I can barbecue entire sheep on the wings of my fleet of 737's and not even eat the meat and I'll still be better than every parent that ever lived.
Not just in terms of CO2 emissions. But in everything. Ever 🙂
What’s worse an angry vegan or people angry about vegans?!
@chevychase that made me chuckle.
Hob nob anyone?!
But then, I’ve not had kids, which is the single worst thing anyone can do for the environment
That's your 'Thread/' right there.