[Closed] Wheel swapping, critique my logic/thoughts ? Hopes to DT Swiss.

You could relatively easily rebuild onto narrower (and lighter) rims.

Swapping to Stan's Arch rims would save about 300g for example.

You could relatively easily rebuild onto narrower (and lighter) rims.

Swapping to Stan’s Arch rims would save about 300g for example.

Of course, but that's coming in at say £100 for doing that for arguments sake as i don't do wheels, so i'd have to source the rims then get them fitted, assuming of course the spokes were transferable.

To swap to these DT Swiss is £0 outlay..

What ajantom said. I would re-rim personally. If lucky the spokes will re-use and probs could sell old rims for what buy new ones for as they are quite sought after.  Could even learn to do yourself.

Isn't hotlines the distributor for DT?  Either way, spares a plentiful from pretty much every German store.  You might not be able to walk into your LBS for spokes, but you can have them shipped to your door in a couple of days.

Only "special" thing needed for the DT hubs is the star ratchet removal tool to do the drive side hub bearing. Shops can get DT spares from Madison, Hotlines, TF is DT warranty.

Straight pull spokes are less common than J bend, could always order a couple in advance to have on hand.

I've had hopes on everything up till now but got DT swiss coming on the new build.  I hadn't even considered that I might need something more than a hammer to service them 😀

TFTuned were very helpful with my DT Swiss faffage (finding suitable end caps) a couple of weeks back. They respond quickly on the phone and to email IME.

And Spline wheels are ace. I've got a similar weight set to yours and the difference in acceleration surprised me.

I'm not going to re-rim. It's either stick and accept the weight but benfit from strength/build... Or swap directly for the lighter wheels.

are they 370 hubs? if so i wouldn't.

are they 370 hubs? if so i wouldn’t.

No idea... i just know they're the same as the above... pics i have are not close up enough to show any more than being the same as the link up there.

You agree a deal/exchange and then ask for opinions?

I thought the 35's were a strange rim choice in the first place.   If is was me I'd get them re-rimmed as at least I know how my hubs have been treated, rather than taking a risk on some that could have been abused (not saying they have been).

You agree a deal/exchange and then ask for opinions?

I thought the 35’s were a strange rim choice in the first place.   If is was me I’d get them re-rimmed as at least I know how my hubs have been treated, rather than taking a risk on some that could have been abused (not saying they have been

He still doesn't know if he can find the end caps for the 15mm yet 🙂 So i'm not tied in 100% at this stage. I don't believe he's going to call me names if i were to bail, in the same way i won't if he did 🙂

He's an STWer so will take him at his word on useage as he'll take me on mine.

the 35W, i got on recommmendation from the LBS, I think i said something like "you know, something a bit burly for trailcenter use etc" and that's what he went with.

It was only after fitting etc i realised they're on the weighty side. It's only after caring a bit about that, that i thought "should i go for something lighter"

IMO light wheels are one of the main things that change how a bike feels. Spin up faster and as i'm a bit of an xc mincer and 72kg wet thru I can get away with really light wheels in just about all my riding. Re rim would make sense but I've got some XCR1250 Carbon jobbies which have done Dfyi Enduro and the Peak District and haven't had to touch them yet 3 years in.

I'm on the wrong side of lardy, which may have also influenced his decision in the LBS.

He still doesn’t know if he can find the end caps for the 15mm yet

Sounds familiar. Have they got the screw-in 20mm end caps on? If so, TFTuned can advise on 15mm version though they are a PITA to swap (you/he will have to drift out the axle and bearing to get them both off).

FOrum needs a 'like' button...

I don't know is the answer, but it's great to have information just in case... Appreciated.

No problem. At least your seller will likely get an instant answer from TFT if he rings up to ask. I managed to buy the wrong ones from another retailer first though, and needed help to swap them, which is a bit insane for such a tiny part.

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/tech-corner-removing-dt-swiss-end-caps-screw-in-variety/

🙂

I've got some 2 year old DT ex1501s. They're great (light, tough etc) but they're less 'service with a hammer'  friendly than Hopes and spares are more expensive (star ratchets!?!).

Need a stupid tool to change drive side hub body bearing. Changing spokes is fiddly compared to Hope / j bends.

<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">That said, still on my original hub body bearings and I only snapped a spoke by being an idiot. </span>

I've got DT factory wheels on my main bike, basically DT 350 hubs with XR 20mm internal rims and they've been faultless for over 2 years, and knocking on 3000km.

So much so I've just picked up a set of XR361's on DT 240s' (same as the factory XR1501's) for my other bike, the DT CR1600's I have on my cross bike are ace too.

Afaik those are the 370 hubs, not 350. So pawls instead of ratchet.

No thanks, downgrade in reliability imo.

Highly reccomend Mavic XA Trail Elite. They are about 25mm wide, really nice hubs, strong enough for proper trail riding and significantly lighter than their Hope equivalents. The look great and cost about the same as the Hopes.

They also come with Tyres, Valves, Rim Strips, Freehub of your choice, QR and bolt through conversion bits.

I have them in 27.5" flavour currently and will be purchasing them in 29" flavour when my new frame arrives, even through I already have a set of suitable Hope Tech hoops to hand!

Hopes are a know quantity which are proven and reliable. The fact that there are queries and question on the DT hubs in this thread alone would put me off.

I'd personally hold on and wait for a Hope XC or even Hope Enduro wheelset to appear to swap with. Either way, I'd try to stick with Hope hubs. Lots of spares, reliable and future proof with the changeable end caps.

They are older generation wheels with 240s hubs. Much better quality hubs than Hope, but the ones you’ve linked to have a 150x12 rear hub for DH Bikes so unless you have a 150 spaces rear end (not interchangeable with 142 nor 148) they won’t fit.

Also use older rims that pre-date the current excellent EX and XM models.

 linked to have a 150×12 rear hub for DH Bikes so unless you have a 150 spaces rear end (not interchangeable with 142 nor 148) they won’t fit.

The link i sent was just my Google findings. I'm assuming they are 142x12 as that's what i stated in the Swap advert

Ahhhh - sorry.

Guilty of skim reading!

Hopes are a know quantity which are proven and reliable. The fact that there are queries and question on the DT hubs in this thread alone would put me off.

Then you would be missing out as high end DT Swiss hubs are significantly better than mediocre Hope offerings.

No going back to Hope for me after going to DT 350

Just so you know they almost certainly wont be 1750g. The numbering in general refers to the very lightest possible set up for that wheel, and is only a guide. Best guess its probably 1810-1820 for a 27.5 set.

I've been a recent convert to DT too. I ran the Hope/Stans combination for years but the last few sets I've had have been poor. I've had to replace bearings on what's felt like a weekly basis and had to re-true them after nearly every ride. My DT Swiss XR1501 have been faultless and I wouldn't go back to Hope wheels.

Canyon appear to still be knocking out their surplus Spline one wheels at pretty competitive rates - I went for XM 1501 (25mm) and EX1501 (30mm) for a shade over £300. Slight difference in logo colours, but I'm not too bothered about that. Seemed good value for wheels with the older 240 hubs and well-rated rims, even having to buy the correct 15mm endcaps for the front.

So we have some Yes, No, Maybes 🙂

I bought an older set of these (EX1750) wheels about 15 years ago (26" white DT rims and elbowed spokes).

The hubs are 240s hubs which are lighter and pretty much indestructible as far as I'm concerned, the hubs are still on my main bike having been built into 2 further wheels (currently 27.5", DT XM481 rims). In that time they have been used to ride and race regularly, enduro's etc. and the front wheel has gone from 20mm thru axle to 15mm, the rear has gone from 135x9 QR to 135x10 to 142x12 thru axle and I have only replaced the front bearings twice and 2 of the 4 rear hub bearings are still original.!!

If I am ever asked about hub recommendations I would always recommend DT.  You can strip and service the freehub without any tools (it just pulls off without even removing the cassette!), you need a special tool to replace one of the rear hub bearings but it's buried so far in the hub that it can last years before you need to change it and as I mentioned above.. you can make it fit pretty much any hub standard.

I've had great luck with getting any and all parts I need for them from SJS cycles online including axles, endcaps etc. almost all from stock (front axle for OS hub took a week for them to get)

Basically, DT repair/warranty support isn't as good as Hope, but it's fine because their stuff is low maintenance and doesn't really break, unlike Hope. You're exchanging "hard to fix but won't need it" for "easy to fix and quite likely will".

End caps and stuff are expensive though. I might have some 15mm adaptors for those hubs- not sure. It's also a bit confusing because the 20mm hubs are different to the normal 15mm hubs, and need different parts, you need to google for "oversize".

(you occasionally run into weird issues with DT because, basically, just about every DT240 hub ever made is still servicable and out there so frinstance there's some that are ancient and can't be converted easily from QR- but these should be fine)