What's the status of on one?

I’m guessing zero to no chance of me getting a replacement?

Correct.

Trying to guess, what is that 12 years old? 15?

You'll probably find an old 456 frame (not Ti) on eBay/Facebook etc

I'd suspect not much hope with a 16 year old frame

15 I think.   Can't remember if it was 5 year or life time warranty but either way haven't they gone to the wall and restructured ... at least once?

SS ti456 is an odd choice for a town commute but I’d enjoyed the complete lack of maintenance needed….

May I recommend a 1993 Kona Hahana for the same reason.
Though they’ve just gone bust so I’m probably due a crack next week.

🤣

Worth a look to see if it is lifetime. Mate of mine broke an old Trek STP from about 1998 a couple of years ago. Rang them up and they said 'Sorry, we don't do those any more. Would you like a 9.8 hardtail frame instead?'

No idea if On One/PX are as good at warranty as Trek but they honoured the lifetime thing.

I guess I will have to give them a call Tuesday.  I'm not particularly expecting to get very much.

Bit surprised to find the crack... its never really had much gnar.  But then multiple years of SS commuting with a long seat pin and small frame would have put quite some stress cycles into the top tube/seat tube junction ... cracked fron the bottom of the slot in the tube, which is at the front,  about 1/3 round the seat tube.   Oops.

Worth a look to see if it is lifetime.

the vast majority of ‘lifetime’ warranty’s cover the expected lifetime of the bike, not the owner. Generally 5ish years. Worth remembering that warranty’s cover manufacturing defects, which tend to take less than 15 years to show up…

Yes some manufacturers do take that stance I think. I'm not here to argue about what is right or wrong.  Not really sure why I am posting.... marking the passing of a well used bike maybe!  Likely that as much as asking if I bother getting in the phone on Tuesday.

To be fair my Ti29er of the same Lynskey era cracked twice (head tube, then wishbone stay) during 15 years and was warranteed back to Lynskey and back to me twice, so you never know

Blimey.   Might be worth my breath then.   If not I'm sure it'll make someone laugh!

I guess I'd need a repair....26" alternatives are thin on the ground these days!

I tried a warranty recently with them and ended up getting a crash replacement.

Details here...

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/on-one-frame-warranty-claim/

"Worth remembering that warranty’s cover manufacturing defects, which tend to take less than 15 years to show up"

At 15 years old, it's going to be a fatigue crack (rather than a single gross overload).

Guess where fatigue cracks start... in defects. Can be (often is) weld defects, but sometimes small defects in the base material.  If a material was truly flawless (which is a parctical impossibly), it wouldn't suffer fatigue.

The 'life means the life til it breaks' is just a deceitful shitbag cop out from (unfortunately) many bike makers.   Some bike makers actually deserve to go bust when they do stuff like that. Giant (UK) are of course even worse.

It's most definitely fatigue. As I said,  it's done a few years commute so more miles than many ti456, but never had much of a gnar life.   I was riding off road a lot less after moving to London,  I bought the frame partly to encourage riding off road more... did a bit but not loads.... then a kinesis max light Pro I had on ss commute detail cracked around the downtube and the lyrics and gears came off the 456, and it went rigid ss for commuting.  I still rode it off road a bit but not gnarly.   It's a small and chuckable frame so I had a long seat pin, the leverage and a lot of spinning 32:16 has fatigued it.  Crack starting from the bottom of the slot which is at the front and running just above the welds to the top tube then seat stays.   I'd say its not the  expected use really,  but also it's not an abuse....a not heavy on one frame that can run at 4 inch forks being used xc like with rigid salsa forks and single speed.... ti bred. I'm not angry it's cracked although I am a little surprised and disappointed ... its had far less gnar and miles in general than the kinesis I mentioned.. that was coke can thin on its downtube,  1/3rd the cost, rode better,  got ridden harder than designed and did huge miles before it cracked and Ti is supposed to be more fatigue resistant than Aluminium. I'm fact with covid and hybrid working massively reducing my miles...plus kids and not play reducing my miles.... yes although thy frame is 14 (I've thought it through,  I think I ordered it January 2010, got it April ish) it surprised me to see the crack.

Then again..... kids and covid have had a predictable influence on my weight.... maybe that has contributed!

I've WhatsApped them.  I'll need to bump it Tuesday apparently,  outside business hours WhatsApp rules the autoresponse says.  Fine.

If I can't get it repaired I'll need to decide.... new commute bike or destroy an ultegra group set over the winter....I don't really want a new bike but a new ultegra group is probably a lot more!

COnsidering they wouldn't honour their 2 year warranty for me after 11 months, I'd say no. But, fingers crossed for you.

In case it doesn't, I had my Soda repaired by Enigma, they did a gorgeous job that I think is still standing up fine for the new owner, that was at least 5 years ago.

I'd be embarrassed to ask for a warranty replacement on a 15 year old frame.

If you like the bike why not get a second hand steel frame and swap all your parts over. Might not look as good but should ride almost the same. Paint can be touched up with hammerite paint for the full on commuter hack look. Seem to be quite a few about. Keep you moving at lowish cost too.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=on+one+456+frame&_trksid=p4432023.m4084.l1313

Have you considered sending it off to enigma to get sorted? Yes, it'll cost but maybe not as much as you'd expect. I have a kinisis road bike I bought cracked for peanuts on ebay and then got fixed. Looks and rides lovely.

Then again, as you said - this is not really the right bike for what you are using it for.....maybe this is the right time to find a frame/bike more suited to it's current use.

Yes,  a bit of thinking required.

I'll see what on one say,  but this may be the time to buy a hybrid/commuter.

I just checked the frame,  I don't think this is a Lynskey era frame.  The sticker I found is 'Ti 3Al/2.5V Handcrafted by van Nicholas '

I think I'm going to be trawling cycletowork for a hybrid or Brompton.  I've no idea what I want there.... and oddly I'm not at all excited about the thought of trying to decide.

Where are you and what size?

I've got this gathering dust. 18" steel ss inbred with pipedream steel fork.

PM me if it's any use. Would take less than advertised. £250. Postage would be more and tricky.

I'm in Newcastle, doing the Gralloch in a few weeks.

Thanks but I think I'm warming to the idea of a flat bar commuter adventure missile.... something like a croix de fer fb looks appealing.   It'll depend on what is possible through cycle to work.

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I’d be embarrassed to ask for a warranty replacement on a 15 year old frame.

I'd be delighted to, it's hilarious. Like, I once got to phone up Cotic and say "I've broken my frame, oh, I'm the second owner so it's not really a warranty job, also it's too old for the warranty, oh also I broke it racing the 6 hour endurance downhill at fort william and I'm pretty sure it originally broke after about 4 hours but I didn't want to stop". And Cy was like, that's ****in awesome, that's the worst attempt at a warranty call in history.

A Boardman Urb might be a good flat bar commuter that’s still quick ish- it’s belt drive with an 8 speed geared hub so it’s about as low maintenance as you’re going to get short of singlespeed.

Halfords are normally on most cycle to work schemes I believe - had 4 bikes on the scheme from them.

Van Nicholas will replace (not repair) any Titanium frame that fails due to manufacturer defects in materials or workmanship for the lifetime of the frame. Every bicycle has a limited life, the so-called useable life-cycle. The duration of the useable life-cycle of bicycles depends on the type of frame, the way in which and the circumstances under which the bicycle is ridden and the care/maintenance the bicycle receives. The lifetime guarantee period is established on the basis of the duration of the useable life cycle of the bicycle. Van Nicholas sets the lifetime of their frames at an average of 25 years.

https://www.vannicholas.com/service/warranties/warranty-conditions-2.htm#:~:text=1.1%20Van%20Nicholas%20will%20replace,%2Dcalled%20useable%20life%2Dcycle.

Cheers for the suggestion.   I'm coming around to the idea and after discovering when I googgled 'flat bar gravel' instead of hybrid or commuter you get returns for bikes with more tyre clearance i see there are a few to choose from.   I'm not actually against derailleur tbf, I've got a crate full of 9 speed mtb cassettes and dérailleurs that amassed so a gravel bike could give them a use.  I'll change my mind come January perhaps but for now I'm quite happy at the thought of mechs.

Thank you Scott routes!  That would be marvelous!  Although what they would offer me to replace a 26" wheel bike frame I jave no idea..... but it gives hope I may get something more than shrieking laughter!

Might be worth editing the post where you said the frame was too small and seat post too long? I imagine that would give them wiggle room. Happy to edit this too.

I didn't say 'too'.  It is/was the correct size for me.  Its 'small and chuckable ' ie it's low for it's length, lots of stand over.... not a farm gate.  So it needs a long seat pin.  That's the design.

Whoop di doopdy doopdy doop!  Response from Ben at px on a bh,  very very impressed and surprised!  Also very impressed and surprised by the result!  He's found my order,  it was July 2010.  He expects a credit note from Van Nicholas and asks what I might like!

Hopefully I'll get a nice gravel frame to build up with bits from my spares bin and buying the wheels, seat tube, clamp,  headset etc that I'll need on C2W.

Very pleased and very impressed, very impressed indeed!

Astonishing, I'd wait for the credit note before ordering any parts though!

The warranty exclusions are interesting

https://www.vannicholas.com/service/warranties/warranty-conditions-2.htm#items

True.  It'll take me a while to sort out what I may need and  what I can get through my work c2w scheme anyway.  Iirc I can get a voucher to spend anywhere but if I use the scheme operator it's generally cheaper... and they can get most things.  I shall have to wait and see what the credit note gets me though first.   The only medium sized gravel frame in stock with px is the Titus Goldrush.   Looks great,  but I think it may be more than the 456 cost back in the day.

Fingers crossed though,  it looks great!

Update.

On one have made a very reasonable offer to split the difference in the cost of the frame.   Very impressed.

However as I think it through and work out what other bits I need it is really mounting up the cost.

On one/px costs:

Split the difference on frames,  the forks, headset, seat post and clamp - £500

Minimum other bits needed:

Gravel wheelset ~£300

Tyres, tubes and odds and sods ~£150

Let's say I get those via c2w, the total spend is then ~£650.  With bars,  stem, saddle, brakes, gears, cables all coming from my spares bin.  Then reality struck... my current brakes have seen years of commute with no servicing... they could be shot. The extensive stock of new cassettes, front and rear derailleur and cranks that somehow I accumulated are all 9 speed....it is perhaps stupid to build a bike up with this even when I've spares of most items (except shifters).  If I factor in costs for a modern drive train and/or brakes, even on c2w,  I'm looking at maybe £900-£1000.

Suddenly the alternative of, a croix de fer or similar on c2w costing me about half the above and seems a very logical choice.

I've asked px about one of the other gravel frames, possibly it could be cheaper,  but I've a tough decision to make.

Fair play to OO/PX/VN for that...

I thought you were pushing your luck with a frame more than a decade old.

PX made a very generous offer but now you're angling for them to vary it because you're trying to avoid the additional cost of replacing components.

That deserves a response from PX saying...that's the offer; take it or leave it.

What's wrong with 9speed if you've got the bits and it works?

I'd not build a new one with it because of spares becoming rarer but you've got that covered🤷

No Frank, px asked me what else I might be interested in.  I made a choice based largely on it seemed to be the only gravel frame in my size in stock.  The answer they came back with was a very reasonable offer but it's not actually in stock.   So I asked if anther frame which might suit would be in stock in the same time and what it would cost. I had to ask the cost as the 2nd frame currently has a £500  discount showing but since I can't order it in my size I thought the discount probably wouldn't apply.  Px have been very reasonable indeed and Ben has been very helpful.  I've asked about the timescales and prices of 2 frames, that's all.  I don't get your problem!

PX made a very generous offer but now you’re angling for them to vary it because you’re trying to avoid the additional cost of replacing components.

That deserves a response from PX saying…that’s the offer; take it or leave it.#

I presumed when he said "split the difference" PX were offering the value of the credit note plus half the difference to whatever he picks?

So if he want's a cheap gravel frame they're saving money.

Andrew, indeed 9sp is an option.  I've got 3 new cassettes,  2 chains, 1 new and 1 old xt rear derailleur,  about 4 new font derailleur from xtr to lx, a new slx double and bash crank in box,  a used xt and some new rings for it (44, 32, 22), cables, and some old deore shifters.  So if I can make that work I've spares for a few years.  Then I realised the Goldrush is designed 1x, no bosses for front mech cable (I could get a clamp on cable stop) does the chain stay have room for a double - don't know,  if not  1x 9 still doable but less ideal, and what front ring size from those i have? I do have 1 32T widenarrow but the others aren't, will they work or will i drop the chain loads?  I also realise my shifters are old, there is a risk they soon die, a very quick search showed 9sp alivio can be had for not much so perhaps I need not worry but...   so not ruling it out but thinking do i really want to spend ~£700 to build a bike with a nice frame,  some nice bits but perhaps not ideal drive?

Realistically I could use cycle 2 work to buy something like a croix de fer fb for ~£1000, which would be a cost to me of ~£450.  So, although the px offer is very reasonable,  it may be better for me to not use it.

Tinas yes.   The 456 cost me £800, the Goldrush frame is £1100, they offered to split the difference so it would cost £150. That's a good offer.   Forks, seat post, clamp and headset would be another £350, so £500 for the post and frameset.

Same cost for a Tempest.

Saddle, bars, stem, cables, 1x9speed drive and brakes from existing 456/spares bin, leaves me needing wheels, tyres, tubes, and some odds and sods I've missed/bits to frig the 9sp solution. If i c2w those bits my overall outlay is ~£650-700.  Vs the above mentioned £450 fir an off the shelf croix de fer or similar.   It seems perhaps more logical to just get the of the shelf bike.  Which just feels a shame as I've had 3 bikes from px/on one, liked them,  and a this shows their customer service is good.   It's just the ways of how c2w works,  and the big cost of building a bike from bits vs buying ots that looks to be driving me elsewhere.

Couldn’t you buy the frame and forks etc from them and then get a cycle to work voucher for build kit for it? The Planet X frame should be nicer than a Croix de fer which I think so quite a heavy steel lump - and the cheapest one doesn’t have a great build kit.

Get the wheels / tyres / drivetrain / brakes on cycle to work. Job jobbed - you’ll have a much nicer bike that way.

Looking at it you can use mtb kit with flat bar gravel - to keep it cheap you could go deore 11 speed m5100 mech and cassette, then pick some cranks where you can run a decent size front chainring for road / gravel - maybe a 38t narrow wide ring?

Assuming it’s a post mount frame and forks you get then you’re spoiled for choice on brake options. If it’s flat mount it’s a little harder and you might need to mix / match mtb levers with road flat mount calipers.

I’d agree with Joe, getting a £150 frame is a no brainer. Then get a bike on c2w that has the best parts for the money, or a second hand one with the parts you need. I sold my mint Ragley Trig with full hydraulic GRX and decent finishing kit for £600. Get something similar, move the parts over, sell the donor frame and you’ll have a spot on bike for not much cash.

When I bought the Trig I was pretty much warned off the CDF as everyone said it was heavy and lifeless.

the Goldrush frame is £1100, they offered to split the difference so it would cost £150

Wow! Result. Goldrush has SS drop outs as well. I have a Camino Ti which its a copy of, which is great.  Always fancied a Goldrush as a SS gravel bike

It is a great offer from px, yes.

Damn, just lost a long reply..short version...

Px spend:

Frame 150, forks 200. Possibly seat post, clamp and headset 150 but could get those on c2w

C2w spend

Seat post,  clamp headset 150+

Wheels 300, tyres tubes and sundry bits 150.

Brakes...flat mount... I'd not picked that up so need brakes £250

Gross total for c2w £850-900, net cost to me £400ish

Add the cost at px, £750ish. That's with my 9sp drive if I can fit it, if I need new shifters,  cassette, derailleur,  crank then add what...£250 net to me?

Yes that's for a nicer bike than the alternative cdf (or giant,trek, whyte equivalent ish bike) but at around £1000 vs around £450-550 . Decisions

Alternative I just thought, I'd focused on frames from px but I hadn't thought about full bikes... don't know if they would use the credit note against one...IF they would then....105 2x12, hydro braked aluminium London road shows as in stock,  currently  £1100. IF the credit could be used against that then there's my cheapest and simplest option to get a bike back on the road.   It's drop bar but.... my existing flat bar, a 12sp xt shifter £35, and my existing shimano xt brake levers (hopefully.... not clear what the brakes on the London road are so they may be no good)

I've asked the very helpful Ben about the London road.

London Road lols. Take the Goldrush. No brainer! I'd not bother with C2W tbh and just shop around for parts, classifieds wtd, ebay, Merlin etc which will be cheaper. Should get most of what you need.

I'm in a nominal 55% income tax bracket,  c2W saves me that much.  Cycle solutions (our scheme operator) seem to have pretty decent pricing and offer price match.

London road not comparable to a Goldrush of course.  What I am trying to be logical about though is what bike do I actually need currently and tbhv the chances of me doing anything on the bike beyond commute or short family pootle are largely zero. This view point is frankly perverse when I'm here on a cycling website but now in my life I cycle commute and that's it.   There I said it.... its upsetting I know.... but a Goldrush isn't worth much/any more to me than a London road.   Shoot me for it.

Take the offered deal on the Goldrush, flog it on and then go shopping for a whole new bike (anywhere but PX) with C2W or your pocket money and buy the bike you want not just what's on the table from those cowboys.

Little harsh.  I guess others have had experiences that they have not felt so good about,  but in impressed by them.

The idea of buy the Goldrush frame and sell it came to me too last night.

Get the Goldrush frame, a GRX groupset and set of GR1600s and you'll have a great bike.

Love mine, only major down side is the 27.2 seat post and no internal routing for a dropper so limited to then 125mm PNW post and drilling the frame.

Plenty of decent wheelsets around for less than £300

This is replacing a ss bike or are you now wanting gears?

The cracked 456 had been SS, I'd grown to enjoy pootling not racing and the absolute zero maintenance aspect.

With a new bike I want to go back to gears tbh....older, flabbier... the couple of short but sheepish climbs just as I get home at the end of the day will be easier!

Yes there are cheaper wheels I agree,  although I've found regular commute miles tough on wheels so just sort of picked mavic allroad at about £300  as a, probably,  value over a few years sort of wheel.  Plus building up a really nice frame cheaper than that feels troo cheap maybe.

Just looking on cycle solutions website.  A Giant tough road slr 1 is £999, so £450 to me on c2w  hmmm.  Really struggling to decide... heart wants the Goldrush but head says no.  I'm being particularly indecisive on this unfortunately.

I’d think the croix de fer and London road are on a similar level - both a little bit dull and leaden.

If you’re earning enough money to be on that tax bracket then why not get yourself a nicer commuter bike that you’ll enjoy riding in the limited riding you get to do?

I’m commuting on a Dolan carbon gravel bike with Ultegra di2 / hunt wheels etc and it makes the commute nicer. Compared to the basic alloy framed / low end Giant road bike I’ve had in the past there’s no looking back for me.

There is something to be said for enjoyment from sitting on a nice bike.

I've just gone through the cycle solutions website putting bits into the cart. A few bits I'd need to call them about or change (eg they only show 650b mavic allroad and I'd want the 700c) but if I've not forgotten too much then I'm looking at £580 less £38 of rewards I'd forgotten I had,  and that goes through c2w.  That's with a seat post and clamp, pair of new rotors, a pair of flat mount grx rx400 calipers (hopefully connect to my current xt levers), and with one alivio 9sp shifter in case my old deore one dies.  It would get 1x9 from my spares bin with 36T chainring on an xt or slx crank and either 11-32 or 11-34 cassette... I've likely got both. I need to then add the Goldrush frame and forks, and a headset.  I get a total of about £620 cost to me.   Its tempting.

It's that or the London road at a cost of £300 .... I think I'm swinging back to thy Goldrush.

Oh can anyone tell me,  does a 9sp cassette fit an m11 shimano freehub? Yes but with a spacer, or no?

Whoop di doopdy doopdy doop!  Response from Ben at px on a bh,  very very impressed and surprised!  Also very impressed and surprised by the result!  He’s found my order,  it was July 2010.  He expects a credit note from Van Nicholas and asks what I might like!

Wow, They deserve some credit for that.

They do, they (Ben) have been brilliant.  I whatsapped a photo of the crack, told them I thought I bought the frame early 2010 and asked what the warranty was.  They found my order from July 2010, and replied to say it was warrantied for life by VN,  what would I like to use my credit note on?  A few options explored and the result is I've just ordered a Goldrush frame and fork for £350 plus (I misunderstood an earlier message) they threw in the seat post,  headset and seat clamp for free.

I've also just ordered the wheels,  tyres,  shifter,  brake discs and calipers,  and inner tubes (I know.... luddite)  on c2w.   I'd forgotten some rewards earnt 4 years ago which have saved me ~£35 and I'd forgotten about the vat 12% saving so that lot has cost me less than I expected.   After tax savings the cost to me will be about £207.

Bars, stem, saddle, grips,  chain, rear mech, cassette, crank are all from my spares and mostly bnib....it will be built 1x9speed, initially with a 44t hyperglide and 11/32 cassette....suspect I'll confirm the ratios are OK and will then buy a widenarrow chainring.

So, once the bits arrive in a month or so I'll be building up a new bike for not much money after all.

Now to convince my wife the 456 will look great on the living room wall....

Great result all round.
let’s see a photo when it’s built up 👍