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As above really , i dont get any tummy issues , but it needs to be berry flavour .
I've also heard you can get a very good custom made one too but i carnt remember where from .
Coffee. Black and strong.
Diluting juice, sugar and salt
fruit juice water and salt
Happy shopper 30p energy drink taste the same as red bull 😆
cant stand the stuff myself.
Are you talking about sports drinks or energy drinks?
Sports drinks: the torq powder is really good, though for anything less than 2 hours i go for salt, squash, and sweetener.
Energy drinks: Tesco KX and the sugar free stuff from them pack a he'll of a punch.
Are you talking about sports drinks or energy drinks?
Sports drinks: the torq powder is really good, though for anything less than 2 hours i go for salt, squash, and sweetener.
Energy drinks: Tesco KX and the sugar free stuff from them pack a he'll of a punch.
is there an echo in here?
is there an echo in here?
Fruit juice would work out about the same price as most of the 'proper' energy drinks I reckon!
My quick mental arithmetic suggests High5 is about £1.20/litre, which isn't bad IMO.
No idea what the best value is though, not Torq or Maximuscle, although the former do do a massive tub which may be good value.
sports drink .
I've been using High 5 4;1 but you need to put use loads per lt so i go thriugh it very fast
You don't have to mix it up as strong as they reckon. I use 2 level scoops in a small bottle, which I find plenty. Assume you're buying the tubs, not the sachets?
Do you really need to use it all the time? You could only use it on longer/harder rides.
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BEER!
we never do any rides under 3hrs so i seem to need it for all of them as today i only used water and i noticed the ride slowly getting harder
How often are you riding and how much are you going through then? I find H5 tubs last me a few months at least.
njee20 - MemberFruit juice would work out about the same price as most of the 'proper' energy drinks I reckon!
My quick mental arithmetic suggests High5 is about £1.20/litre, which isn't bad IMO.
As the dilution is 1/3 juice to 2/3 water it comes out at <30 p a litre
YOu are prepared to £1.20 a litre for a malotdextin mix? Crackers
No, I get it trade, and use it weaker than the suggested concentration. I suspect I'd still buy it at full price though, it works for me, it's less hassle, find it v palatable etc. Having paid £30 for a race, £80 for a licence, travelled the length of the country to race, hotel, dinner, breakfast etc, a couple of quid on energy drink isn't really worth worrying about!
There's enough scientific evidence out there to suggest it works better than diluted apple juice if you're really feeling argumentative.
PSP 11 with some squash in, although it looks from the SIS site that they don't do it anymore 🙁
Glucose powder. Salt. Squash for taste. Protein powder if you want this 4:1 stuff. Done.
njee20 - MemberThere's enough scientific evidence out there to suggest it works better than diluted apple juice if you're really feeling argumentative.
Well I would be very interested in seeing some. Diluted apple juice is an isotonic drink with a good mix of sugars and salts.
What is the salt for?
What is the salt for?
I guess it's considered to be an adequate electrolyte replacement, but personally I find the mixtures used in Torq whatever they may be more effective than table salt.
Brassneck - really? You can tell the difference? The salt is for sodium replacement.
For what its worth diluted apple juice also contains potassium and magnesium salts which are the main other salts needed
I'm a bit worried: it appears TJ is making sense.
Have I been spiked with LSD?
not quite as practical as powder if you're on a 100 miler road ride with various water stops en route of course- a factor for some..
crotchrocket - MemberI'm a bit worried: it appears TJ is making sense.
Have I been spiked with LSD?
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1 bag of maltodextrin (like sugar, but not sweet, and less stomach cramp inducing)
1 bag electrolyte
1 large scoop of the former for every hour over 2 hours at an average pace.
1 small scoop of the latter per hour in hot weather, 1 scoop in a ride if its cold.
Squash to taste.
I used to go for the 50/50 juice water with a pinch of salt, and this stuff is measuably better in terms of not hitting the wall, and doesn't give me stomach ache like drinking juice for hours on end does.
What TINAS said, but I do a simpler mix:
2:1 maltodextrine to fructose.
For a 750ml bottle, I'll mix no more than 80g powder, but these days just choose the right measure of the right sized spoon and shovel away. It's flavourless (but sweet), and works fine for me.
Both from myprotein. Cheap and plentiful.
I do the same as the above 2 guys but with 60g maltodextrin per 750ml bottle and a pinch of Lo Salt for electolytes and Ribena for flavour.
I tried using a higher concentration (80g) using the 2:1 maltodextrin/fructose mix but it just mad me feel lethargic.
For recovery - 60g maltogextrin and 25g unflavoured whey with 2 tablespoons Tesco milkshake powder.
Dioralyte, dextrose powder, fruit juice. Much cheaper than any sports drinks and any flavour you like.
Holland and barretts do a good drink though when it is half price. About 500mg for about 3 quid. http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_detail.asp?pid=550&prodid=567
The salt in commercially made isotonic drinks is there to make you perpetually feel thirsty and therefore keep drinking their isotonic drinks.
The reason that your body tries to get rid of excess salt through sweating when getting dehydrated is to avoid high-blood pressure, heart attack, brain damage and death.
Even though your kidneys will be over loaded with the task of getting rid of salt some people believe that they need more salt.
Macavity - thats a load of rubbish. You lose sodium when sweating and need to replace it. isotonic drinks are more easily absorbed.
http://numberonestars.com/life/salt_intake_during_effort.htm
http://madeinatlantis.com/weight_loss/salt.htm
Macavity - am I reading that properly?
Ideally, the salt concentrations in the liquid drunk should correspond to the salt concentrations in the sweat, that is about 2.5 to 3.5 grams per litre.
In practice, 1 gram per litre proves adequate insofar as the kidney, in a rest situation, lets sodium pass, whereas under effort, this filtering organ puts up a “block” to restrict its elimination
>1g a litre is pretty salty - I know i don't put more than that in when i'm mixing my own. That article is talking about the practice of taking salt tablets.
>1g a litre is more than pretty salty probably well into hypernatremia teritory.
But does the human body benefit from NaCl (or even need salt NaCl)
http://www.livestrong.com/article/274552-what-are-the-treatments-for-high-sodium-levels/
re 'salt'- the electrolyte mixes in drinks etc can be more than just sodium chloride (two electrolytes)..
example torq includes Sodium Chloride, Magnesium, Potassium and Calcium (assuming not in their pure forms!)
the myprotein electrolyte mix contains:
Sodium Chloride, Potassium Sulphate, Calcium Di Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide.
not sure whether these electrolytes work, but i found that using a drink without in the hot summer led to more headaches, feeling tired etc
as for the OP, i mix from big bags frustose and maltodextrin + electrolytes from myprotein with dash of squash for taste
I just see what's on offer. Tesco near me stocks most big brands and frequently has offers on.
I've used discount suppliments before (search for the high5 race pack) and also http://www.energy4sport.com/
McCavity - still a load of piffle you are saying.
for example you know those bags of saline used as IV1s? 9 g of soduim chloride per litre. Or if its a sugar / salt mix its 40 g of dextrose and 1.8 g of sodium chloride per litre. That is an isotonic mix
Sodium is the main electrolyte you need to replace what you sweat out You also need a bit of potassium and magnesium - happliy present in apple juice.
If you don't replace the sodium and simply drink water you can reach hyponatreima - low sodium levels which leads to cramps, cerebral oedema and death.
Brassneck - really? You can tell the difference? The salt is for sodium replacement.For what its worth diluted apple juice also contains potassium and magnesium salts which are the main other salts needed
Yes I can, when drinking 2L or so. For an hour I stick with water, for 2 might go for 50/50 fruit juice but to be honest I get a big tub of Torq for Christmas and birthday and it lasts me all year bar any 'racing' commitment, even for my normal 2 and a bit hours on the weekend. Couple of scoops for a bottle if I'm not expecting a hard time, mix it up properly if I am. I don't think the big tubs stack up too badly on price once you include maltodextrin, flavour, the added fructose, and the salts.. and if if they did I'll pay a little for the convenience.
I know people who do W2 on 2 500ml bottles of water, but I know equally well even when I was actually fit I was better with Torq than without. YMMV.
I've had to pish on my cassette a couple of times this week to clear out the snow - should I be taking less sodium to avoid rusting the drivetrain, or more to help with de-icing the cassette?
Its all so confusing.
[i]for example you know those bags of saline used as IV1s? 9 g of soduim chloride per litre. Or if its a sugar / salt mix its 40 g of dextrose and 1.8 g of sodium chloride per litre. That is an isotonic mix
Sodium is the main electrolyte you need to replace what you sweat out You also need a bit of potassium and magnesium - happliy present in apple juice.
If you don't replace the sodium and simply drink water you can reach hyponatreima - low sodium levels which leads to cramps, cerebral oedema and death.[/i]
TJ, big fat fail there I'm afraid.
Sweat is hypotonic; you lose far more water than salt by sweating.
This causes the salt concentration of your blood/body fluids to rise, not fall.
[i]First of all, there is a key conceptual problem here, and that is that when you sweat, you don't actually reduce electrolyte concentration. That is, there are certainly electrolytes in the sweat, but the concentration of these electrolytes is so low, that sweating is likely to make you HYPERTONIC, not hypotonic. We looked at this in our posts on fluid - when you sweat, you lose more water than electrolytes, because the sweat is HYPOTONIC. Therefore, sweating cannot lead to a fall in electrolyte concentration.[/i]
Have a read here...
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cramps-part-1-theories-and.html
...and if you only drink water, your body has an amazing pair of organs that can very effectively restore the balance....
crikey - we are slightly at cross purposes.
Waht you say is true so long as you don't drink anything. Drink just water and you can become low sodium. Also istonic is absorbed more quickly to rehydrate
My point about the saline drips was purely to point out to mcCavity that what he said about too much sodium was wrong. Your kidneys will get rid of any excess. Rehydrating someone with IVIs you put many grammes of Sodium into them
Of course you are right - your kidneys will restore there balance - assuming there is enough sodium left in your system but for most folk it is.
It doesn't make much difference in the UK but when it's really hot (summer in Europe) if I'm on raw carb energy drink with no salt I get cramp and headaches. Are you really saying drink plain water or unsalted maltodextrine?
Those Livestrong articles are hardly clear-
Hyponatremia occurs when your blood levels of sodium fall below 135 mEq/L, the Mayo Clinic notes. Exercise-related versions of the disorder most commonly appear in athletes who participate in activities such as triathlons or marathons, and result from excessive water consumption combined with the loss of sodium through sweating.
A different section on 'what are the treatments for high sodium levels says -
Appropriate amounts of [b]water, juices and other fluids[/b] consumed during the course of a day may help to prevent high sodium levels.
I can't see anything that says 'don't drink isotonic drinks' or 'only drink plain water' but obviously you don't want to overdo it.
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/sports-drinks-sweat-and-electrolytes_27.html
"So in fact ingesting Gatorade to thirst in younger subjects results in a rise in sodium concentration, which is why you drink more---you never lower your osmolality below the thirst threshold and therefore are thirstier when ingesting a sports drink, whereas with water you maintain the osmolality right around the thirst threshold and drink and abstain as your thirst comes and goes. With sports drinks you instead just get thirstier, which seems kind of ironic since their slogan is "The thirst quencher!""
Sport nutrition: an introduction to energy production and performance
By Asker Jeukendrup, Michael Gleeson
Pages 214-215
"The ideal drink for fluid replacement during exercise is one that tastes good to the athlete, does not cause gastrointestinal discomfort when consumed in large volumes (this rules out all fizzy carbonated drinks), promotes rapid gastric emptying and fluid absorption to help maintain extracellular fluid volume, and provides energy in the form of carbohydrates for the working muscles. Exercise subjects prefer cool, pleasantly flavoured, sweetend beverages, and the presence of sodium in the drinks seems to promote their consumption, probably by maintaining thirst."
macavity have you ever tasted your sweat? does it taste salty?
mine does.