[Closed] What's classed as 'progressive' geometry these days?

Progressive is always going to refer to something beyond the norm.
I would say that Canyon are slightly conservative (slightly behind trend).

But progressive is currently very long and slack, so if you want fun and flickable, maybe that may suit. 67.5 is progressive for an XC race bike, on the money for a light trail bike and conservative for an enduro bike, so it's pretty difficult to nail all this stuff down!

If you can you should try and ride some bikes to get a feel for what you like. I know it's difficult right now, but otherwise it's going to be a stab-in-the-dark

The Neuron is very 'conservative' for modern geometry.

I go by the largest frame sizes as I'm 6ft 3in, but 473mm reach, 74.5 seat angle, 67.5 head angle is about right for 2 years ago but is pretty dated now.

My 2019 Jeffsy for example is 510mm reach, 66 HA, 77 SA so is thoroughly modern.

It's still eclipsed by some other bikes, like the Bird AM9: 522 reach, 65.5 HA, 75.5 SA.

However, a shorter bike will mean a more agile bike, the shorter travel trail bikes are starting to get longer too, see bikes like the Bird Aether - 120-130mm doesn't mean XC geometry now!

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My 2019 Jeffsy for example is 510mm reach, 66 HA, 77 SA so is thoroughly modern.

That's an XXL Jeffsy, though. The L is 470 which isn't particularly long, and 66 degrees isn't very slack.

FWIW, your XXL is 5mm shorter in reach than my large G1.

Ignore the size names, both the XL Neuron and XXL Jeffsy are both recommended for heights of 192cm and above. The smallest size in the range also both recommend for 165cm or less. The XXL isn't an extra size, it's just 5 sizes vs 4. The XL neuron should be compared to the XXL jeffsy, and probably the XL G1.

Edit: XXL G1 at 198cm recommended. 555 reach haha.

Now that's progressive geometry!!!

Thanks guys - kind of confirmed what I was thinking.

I've been spoilt by my 456C over the past 5 years or so, this thing is long and fun (unsure how slack but next to your average trail bike, even today, it still looks hilarious.)

https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mountain-bikes/trail-bikes/spectral/spectral-al-5.0/2229.html?dwvar_2229_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK&quantity=1#!accordions=0_1

The Spectral has a 66 degree HA which is more on the money I guess, but I kinda fancied less travel as I tend to only ride stuff that can be done with an open face helmet, so probably wouldn't need all that!

There are lots of similar bikes about that are more progressive but still short travel - there's something of a boom in that category. The new YT Izzo is a good example.

Thanks George - more than open to suggestions! I'll check that YT out, quite like their stuff in the past.

Hard to beat Canyon's value to price ratio, though!

Yeah that Izzo looks great, not shipping until July, though! 66 HA is spot on with 130mm.

£2.5k makes it fairly competitive, but still a chunk more expensive. Maybe I'll do some Googling around.

Th Jeffsy Base coming in at £2k on the nose is very attractive, though.

Jeffsy 29er you're looking at 150/150 travel and 160/160 on the 27.5 though.

Yeah, probably a bit too much bike. I mean I guess I could just crack on with a 150/160mm thing but I kinda fancied a lighter and more poppy mid travel bike eh.

Radon do a direct sales short travel bike also, and Propain do the Hugene. Rose too

https://www.propain-bikes.com/en/bikes/
https://www.radon-bikes.de/en/mountainbike/fullsuspension/
https://www.rosebikes.com/bikes/mtb/trail/thrill-hill-trail

I’m not sure progressive geometry exists anymore! Cutting edge DH and enduro bikes have converged on the same point, trail bikes a bit less extreme, XC bikes less so. Some companies are already they, some are behind, some further back. But the way these bikes feel, I don’t see things progressing further because the compromises are too severe.

Shorter travel + progressive geo + value for money = Bird AEther 7 (or potentially the upcoming AEther 9C)

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