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Personally I pay a man to walk 10 paces in front of me waving a flag to warn others of my approach.
Personally I pay a man to walk 10 paces in front of me waving a flag to warn others of my approach.
Run surely !!
Ron Surly
That's the chap's name.
Run surely !
What, and run the risk of running headlong into a wounded deer or baby robin or child's face?
Insanity.
BoardinBob - MemberHow about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
I hope you don't drive a car... 🙂
(You know, cyclists etc)
[quote=epicyclo ]BoardinBob - Member
How about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
I hope you don't drive a car...
I do. Very slowly. 25 years, zero points ever.
How about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas.
Run surely !!
No, because then someone would have to walk in front of him, in order to so him ploughing in to people.
And then someone would have to crawl in front of...mumble...mumble...something about swallowing an escalating variety of wildlife.
Not sure if trolls or just holier than thou wazzocks on this thread. Suspect both. Stile Cop is a well known DH 'bike park'. Ignoring all the other mental arguments on here, those obstacles were on bikes, kitted up. They knew the score.
By the reckoning of some, I guess BPW, Antur et al should all be trundled down unless you can see 100m ahead. Oh, and don't forget lights and bells at all times on the trails.
Threads like this make it very obvious why this forum has a 'reputation'.
BoardinBob - Member
I do. Very slowly. 25 years, zero points ever.
Good to hear, so why a different attitude on public tracks with a bike?
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas.
Nope. 2/10. Trying too hard now.
Better make sure I take it nice and easy up there tonight not to upset the STW massive 😉
submarined - Member
...Not sure if trolls or just holier than though wazzocks on this thread. Suspect both. Stile Cop is a well known DH 'bike park's. Ignoring all the other mental arguments on here, those obstacles were on bikes, kitted up. They knew the score.
Agree, they were stupid, dickheads even, but stupidity is not an excuse to potentially maim someone if you can avoid it.
Especially as you can end up being the one getting the life changing injury.
From what has been said it is a probability that stupid people will be on the track the wrong way, and that's really stupid because there will be some equally qualified people coming down balls out without knowing the way is clear.
By the reckoning of some, I guess BPW, Antur et al should all be trundled down unless you can see 100m ahead. Oh, and don't forget lights and bells at all times on the trails.
Nah, turn them all into petting zoos.
There really are some cocks about. The inability to differentiate between how to behave on a bridleway and how a dh track is used does mark you out...almost as much as those who choose to ride a bridleway like a DH track.
[i]acting like a self-entitled dickhead[/i]
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas
No! no! Its bad enough when people new to the thread start repeating what's already been said, without you repeating yourself!
Go sit on the naughty step(down).
[quote=epicyclo ]BoardinBob - Member
I do. Very slowly. 25 years, zero points ever.
Good to hear, so why a different attitude on public tracks with a bike?
if I was on a track day I'd be driving full beans. I expect to do the same on a bike trail
Not a shared trail
A proper bike trail
convert - Member
...There really are some cocks about...
There sure are... 🙂
There sure are...
DezB...standby I'm going to add a new phrase to the thread. I know, madness.
To FIFY myself:-
...There really are some [s]cocks [/s] bedwetters about...
And I believe that is a STW bingo.
should all be trundled down unless you can see 100m ahead
If 100m is your stopping distance, then yes. I can stop much more quickly than that but I still like to keep it within the distance I know to be clear*, because i don't like crashing into obstacles however predictable or unpredictable they may be.
* Which in most cases means the distance I can see, or hear - I do listen as well, and i even call out if i think there's a chance there might be someone around a bend, and don't therefore think riding with earphones is a good idea. Thoughts on that?
And if I was on a proper DH track on a proper race or practice day, I'd probably risk even further on the basis someone else is making sure the track is clear **
** yeah right, IR Hardcore minzer and the chances of me being on a DH track on raceday = 0
What if it had been a trail dog?
Called Sprocket?
[i]There really are some bedwetters about...[/i]
good work 🙂
Can't someone just make a Strava Siren? It'd be like those things you got as a kid with bomb noises for the handlebars but a loud siren letting people know that you're on for a PB and they need to get out of the way or be maimed. Then it would definitely be their fault for ignoring the siren!
I've just fitted spokey dokeys to the FS so people will know I'm coming. I realised I can put the gin in a Camelbak so I don't spill it at speed. Sorted.
Sounds like we need some speed cameras on the trail nowadays.
Fantastic. FYI being a dickhead is cool these days, just ask the cool kids.
You turn up at a place like this, have a chilled run down to make sure the track hasn't changed, nothing is blocking it etc before winding up the pace a bit. If you don't you won't clear the 1st jump you come to.
Stop trying to compare it to driving to the shops - it's not the same thing.
copa - Member
How about a 30 page risk assessment in advance and a note from your mum?
Or you could try not to ride like a self-entitled dickhead when you're in public areas.
Only one person on this thread coming across as a dickhead and they aren't in the video!
lustyd - Member
Can't someone just make a Strava Siren?...
That's not a bad idea. Especially if it could sound like a Stuka and scare off the less entitled.
Not sure what Strava has got to do with anything, people have been riding quickly down dh tracks long before Strava was a thing.
Still want a Strava Siren though.
Threads like this make it very obvious why this forum has a 'reputation'
Funny this should come up. More than once I've had chats with people I've met out on the trails.
I'll ask if they ever go on STW ?
"Nope to many idiots" (not the actual word used) is the most common response 😆
"Nope [b]to [/b]many idiots"
I'd just like to add a bit of spelling pedantry to ensure anyone coming across this thread in the future realises we are a bunch a complete asshats if they had not already come to that conclusion.
Wheel size is an important factor 8)
Isn't the entire problem with this thread that actually both of them did something wrong, yet people are feeling compelled to pick a side due to the conflict already being expressed?
The walker was very very silly, they clearly should have known better and put themselves and other rides at risk.
The rider was also silly, arguably (obviously!) less so but you can't escape the fact that they were being a little reckless, as pointed out soooo many times already the walker could just have easily been a slower rider, or a crashed rider or other obstacle*.
The only reason they are so angry is because the other person (walker) had the ability to not cause that risk if they had chosen to act responsibly, but a crashed rider would not, and if this video had shown the rider slamming full pelt into the prone body of an incapacitated rider lying on the trail I bet you there'd be more reflection on his behaviour, so take that behaviour in in isolation, you cna see why people are saying he was a little reckless, but the walker was [i]also [/i]reckless.
TLDR: they both did things wrong, one may have been a big 'wrongerer' (tm) but that doesn't mean both can't learn and modify their behaviour in future for better outcomes all round.
*Not going to talk about fallen trees deer etc. as they are obviously a risk and the rider can decide how they feel about the possibility of them.
This is an inherent risk on any public land trail, regardless of how obvious it is that it's a bike trail or how 'well known' it is, if it's public access you simply can't assume it will be clear, it sucks, but that's life.
I'll ask if they ever go on STW ?
You're going way too slow if you can see other folk on the trails, let alone talk. 😆
Good job he wasn't going fast
amedias - MemberIsn't the entire problem with this thread that actually both of them did something wrong, yet people are feeling compelled to pick a side due to the conflict already being expressed?
The walker was very very silly, they clearly should have known better and put themselves and other rides at risk.
The rider was also silly, arguably (obviously!) less so but you can't escape the fact that they were being a little reckless, as pointed out soooo many times already the walker could just have easily been a slower rider, or a crashed rider or other obstacle*.
The only reason they are so angry is because the other person (walker) had the ability to not cause that risk if they had chosen to act responsibly, but a crashed rider would not, and if this video had shown the rider slamming full pelt into the prone body of an incapacitated rider lying on the trail I bet you there'd be more reflection on his behaviour, so take that behaviour in in isolation, you cna see why people are saying he was a little reckless, but the walker was also reckless.
TLDR: they both did things wrong, one may have been a big 'wrongerer' (tm) but that doesn't mean both can't learn and modify their behaviour in future for better outcomes all round.
*Not going to talk about fallen trees deer etc. as they are obviously a risk and the rider can decide how they feel about the possibility of them.
This is an inherent risk on any public land trail, regardless of how obvious it is that it's a bike trail or how 'well known' it is, if it's public access you simply can't assume it will be clear, it sucks, but that's life.
So you're saying the rider should be riding a dedicated DH track slower, just in case there's someone/something in the way ? WTF, that's bonkers... just totally totally bonkers !
Isn't the entire problem with this thread that actually both of them did something wrong, yet people are feeling compelled to pick a side due to the conflict already being expressed?The walker was very very silly, they clearly should have known better and put themselves and other rides at risk.
The rider was also silly, arguably (obviously!) less so but you can't escape the fact that they were being a little reckless, as pointed out soooo many times already the walker could just have easily been a slower rider, or a crashed rider or other obstacle*.
The only reason they are so angry is because the other person (walker) had the ability to not cause that risk if they had chosen to act responsibly, but a crashed rider would not, and if this video had shown the rider slamming full pelt into the prone body of an incapacitated rider lying on the trail I bet you there'd be more reflection on his behaviour, so take that behaviour in in isolation, you cna see why people are saying he was a little reckless, but the walker was also reckless.
TLDR: they both did things wrong, one may have been a big 'wrongerer' (tm) but that doesn't mean both can't learn and modify their behaviour in future for better outcomes all round.
*Not going to talk about fallen trees deer etc. as they are obviously a risk and the rider can decide how they feel about the possibility of them.
This is an inherent risk on any public land trail, regardless of how obvious it is that it's a bike trail or how 'well known' it is, if it's public access you simply can't assume it will be clear, it sucks, but that's life.
I'm guessing you didn't actually watch the video?
As I'm not sure why you are talking about a walker? There was no walker, there was a guy on his bike, looking like he was riding UP the track.
I cannot comprehend the hand wringers on here are actually seriously suggesting the rider was in any way at fault. It's a wonder how some of you manage to even leave the house in the morning.
I can only assume it because the riding speed and type is so far removed from the bridleway bumbling pseudo-gnar that they can relate to, it's incomprehensible to them to ride a bike at a reasonable pace.
As someone who's currently recovering from a not massively dissimilar incident from a race which resulted in broken bones, it's possibly quite relevant. Will it change how i ride? No - if I was that risk averse, I'd be buying a gravel bike and riding around on fireroads.
Nearly hit a walker on one of my local tracks, luckily I just managed to stop. Well I say walker, she was actually laying a cable, crouched down at the bottom of a small drop-off. Could of been nasty.
So you're saying the rider should be riding a dedicated DH track slower, just in case there's someone/something in the way ? WTF, that's bonkers... just totally totally bonkers !
It probably didn't seem llike such a bad idea the morning after the incident though.
luckily I just managed to stop
Yes, but was she able to 'stop' or did you appearing at the top of the dip speed the process up?
But
FALL OUT BOY.
In general I agree. Ride within the distance you can stop. But I can think of any number of purpose built trails where there are features which you have to take at speed to negotiate them safely. What are you supposed to do? They are are a design feature in a track. If someone decides to have a picnic in a blind spot then there is nothing that a rider can do about it.
she was actually laying a cable, crouched down at the bottom
Ah man, I'm now glad this thread kept going, cos that's had me in tears 😆
I can only assume it because the riding speed and type is so far removed from the bridleway bumbling pseudo-gnar that they can relate to, it's incomprehensible to them to ride a bike at a reasonable pace.
Stop with the foreplay. Why don't you just snap a photo of your cock next to a ruler and get it over with. Riding fast = virile man, no?
Ride within the distance you can stop.
I wonder what the braking distance is on a wet loose trail at 20mph+
Ah man, I'm now glad this thread kept going, cos that's had me in tears
Think hyacinth bucket, her husband was waiting nearby with a poodle. She stood up and asked if I could 'ride around' (like I'm gonna ride through THAT!)
The kid in the red shirt** that Tom_W1987 posted earlier talks more sense than most posters* on this thread.
**most people won't have read that far back (surely)
*The ones I don't agree with
Can't believe this thread has made six pages without the rider or pusher turning up yet.
If I had more time I'd set up a fake account to spice things up a bit.
Hob Nob - Member
...As someone who's currently recovering from a not massively dissimilar incident from a race which resulted in broken bones, it's possibly quite relevant. Will it change how i ride? No - if I was that risk averse, I'd be buying a gravel bike and riding around on fireroads.
But we're not talking about a race with its controlled environment are we?
We're talking about public access land, an uncontrolled environment.
It's simple decency to make sure you are not risking anyone else's life or health - regardless of how inferior in bike skills or how stupid they may be, they are still humans.
imnotverygood - Member
...I can think of any number of purpose built trails where there are features which you have to take at speed to negotiate them safely. What are you supposed to do? They are are a design feature in a track. If someone decides to have a picnic in a blind spot then there is nothing that a rider can do about it.
That's a reasonable point, but if you mash up a group of picnickers, I hope you are heavily insured. Right or wrong, you'll be in deep doodoo.
regardless of how inferior in bike skills or how stupid they may be, they are still humans.
Not if you aren't awesome enough.
mash up a group of picnickers, I hope you are heavily insured. Right or wrong, you'll be in deep doodoo.
Maybe, but if said picnickers are picknicking on a clearly marked DH trail and in so doing breaking local bylaws designed for their protection then they may have to compensate the rider for damages to bike and self. They need to be more considerate to us bikers really...
you'll be in deep doodoo.
To be fair I think it was captain_bastard who was in the doodoo
I don't get you clubby, he stopped plenty before he hit any spectators/picnicers/walker
her husband was waiting nearby with a poodle
Is that some kind of innuendo/slang.
I did watch the video, yesterday... From memory the guy he hit was pushing up the track, I didn't re-watch to confirm, but if he was riding then it makes no difference to his stupidity.
And yes I still think the rider was being a little reckless, it's public land there could be people on bikes or otherwise, no matter how well marked a trail is if it's public access it's public access, I'm not saying he should ride slower, it's his choice to be a little reckless, hell I've done it myself enough times and had a brown trouser moment avoiding collisions but every time I've thought "sheesh that was close, I got lucky" because I was also the one being silly.
That's all I'm saying, not that the rider was to blame, but that he made a decision to take the risk knowing that there might be other people on the track.
Even in local XC and Enduro races when held on public land (with marshals) there is always an announcement from the commissaire warning that it is public land and even with marhals and tape that there is a chance people could wander and to be vigilant and considerate. DH races with full course control are a little different but this wasn't was it...
clubby - Member
What about this one? Car or cyclists fault?
Ouch! What happened subsequently? Was he ok? - it looked nasty.
I don't think gravel bike was mentioned until the 6th page of comments!!!! This place is slipping!! I am off to read the new off-road cc forum
After recent events, I became a bit concerned about the average stw poster, but the amount of bedwettery in this thread really upsets me.
Amedias says it well.
The downhill heroes seem obsessed with bed wetting. It must give them a warm feeling.
Perhaps they should get gravel bikes to ride up hills and tighten up their abdomens to regain control of their bladders.... 🙂
clubby - Member
What about this one? Car or cyclists fault?
To be fair it would probably be easier to get medical treatment when on the road than after shooting off down the hill/mountain so maybe the car driver is to be praised 😈
What about this one? Car or cyclists fault?
100% cyclists fault - in fact (assuming he's reasonably ok) it might even have been a good thing he hit the car as there was no chance he was slowing by any significant amount before he ploughed into the spectators and then over the edge.
did their brake fail 😯
not followed thread - its daft to push up a DH track and we should all know this[i dont even DH and never have]
Well, this would appear to be a summer thing. I was riding Swinley yesterday and there were people pushing up Kevlar rather than riding the 200 yards around.
I didn't stop to rant...
lustyd - Member
Well, this would appear to be a summer thing. I was riding Swinley yesterday and there were people pushing up Kevlar rather than riding the 200 yards around.
I didn't stop to rant...
Ha ha, it's all a part of the fun at Swinley. I nearly flattened somebody's 'trail dog' on Kevlar the other day, it ran straight across the trail as I was about to land the other side of the tabletop.
My air brakes aren't the best, the dog was lucky.
The dog isn't that lucky, it's owner is obviously a moron so these things will keep being near misses until they aren't! I've also near missed a few dogs at Swinley and definitely feel sorry for the poor dogs who don't realise they are on a bike track.
[i]the poor dogs who don't realise they are on a bike track.[/i]
Mine did cos I gave it my spare bike.
I wonder what the braking distance is on a wet loose trail at 20mph+
about 20 or 30 feet if you can brake properly
Epicyclo is right. thats public access and thus pepole wandering about on the trail idiots or not are legal to be there
When I rode with a bunch of fast boys and girls on blind bits of trail I would volunteer to go first to make sure the trail was clear so they could go as fast as they wanted - so long as they gave me a bit of a start.
Only just noticed this thread after it was reanimated!
I am totally confused, stunned and a little afraid. Ok,I felt like that Becks I read it but this thread didn't help.
Questions...
Is DH being used in the context of down hill or **** head? Or both??
Secondly and easier to answer by you guys surely, who's fault was it in the end?
Lastly did the Robin in its egg hatch ok?