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Not a good idea to push up a DH track 😯
Ouch! The push up track is about 1m away from the trail there to.
Where you playing music or was that added post pro?
Why do people insist on shitty music tracks accompanying vids ? As is, neat riding until the incident.
Where you playing music or was that added post pro?
I was on Dirt FB page
Nasty!
[i]I was on Dirt FB page[/i]
No wonder you crashed - browsing the web whilst cycling is jolly dangerous!
Bloody idiots.
I remember years back coming off one of the last drops at the end of Ae red run, it's a pretty blind drop, and there was some pillock and his son pushing up the track. Evasive action taken but I ended up in the bushes.
Again, there is a push up track just to the side.
Where you playing music or was that added post pro?
Saw this on a facebook thread. He was listening to music. not that it matters
Bloody hell! That really makes no sense there the push up track is the width of a tree away. Cannock is full of numpties.
not that it matters
It does when it's bloody Fall Out Boy
It does when it's bloody Fall Out Boy
What music would of prevented this?
Stay On Boy
R Kelly - I Belive I Can Fly or Queen - Don't Stop Me Now certainly could've helped
Queens "Bicycle" song Shirley..
Daft to be pushing up a DH trail but surely as a responsible rider he should be able to stop or take avoiding action within the distance he can see.
What if it had been a kid?
Theotherjonv, i make that right, too
[i]Daft to be pushing up a DH trail but surely as a responsible rider he should be able to stop or take avoiding action within the distance he can see.
What if it had been a kid?[/i]
lol was waiting for that 🙂 Or maybe someo-one with their trail dog?
I'd be pretty annoyed if that had been me, but to be honest I think my first reaction would have been check I'd not broken anything, and then go back and see if the rider I'd hit was ok. That looked pretty nasty.
Then check the bike, then call them idiots....
Daft to be pushing up a [b]DH trail[/b] but surely as a responsible rider he should be able to stop or take avoiding action within the distance he can see.
Not sure if serious
Daft to be pushing up a DH trail but surely as a responsible rider he should be able to stop or take avoiding action within the distance he can see.What if it had been a kid?
1/10, please try harder.
convert - Member
Not sure if serious
This is STW of course he's hand-wringing/frothing/serious
He should have a bell.
And high viz.
End of thread.
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Daft to be pushing up a DH trail but surely as a responsible rider he should be able to stop or take avoiding action within the distance he can see.
Fair enough in your local woods but the guy is on a dedicated downhill track
I'm impressed he managed to get up and start the abuse so quickly, I would definitely just be groaning at that point!
Fair enough in your local woods but the guy is on a dedicated downhill track
It's a public area though isn't it?
I take it back "theotherjonv", you got a couple of bites so must be upgraded to 2/10.
[i]It's a public area though isn't it?[/i]
On STW it's never the person at fault's fault!
It's a public area though isn't it?
I don't know but i know there is a push up track next to it.
*People who ride canal towpaths not understanding push up track shocker*
I had very similar experience at FoD, a xc rider parked sideways across a fast blind bit of dh track chatting to his mates. No room to avoid, hit him flat out but hard on the brakes at 90 degrees.
On STW it's never the person at fault's fault!
What if that wasn't a 'noob' but somebody just walking?
What if that wasn't a 'noob' but somebody just walking?
Would that same person just walk out on a blind bend in front of a car, and stand looking the other way?.
I had very similar experience at FoD, a xc rider parked sideways across a fast blind bit of dh track chatting to his mates. No room to avoid, hit him flat out but hard on the brakes at 90 degrees.
Had a mate over from NZ a few years back, his lasting impression was that folks in UK seem to hang about on trails, fixing bikes, chatting, whatever. I hadn't really thought about it before, but he definitely has a point...
[i]What if that wasn't a 'noob' but somebody just walking?[/i]
Or a child's face?
I was going down the top berms at lee quarry and as I turned the blind corner there was a crosser coming up at speed, just managed to steer round each other.
Had a mate over from NZ a few years back, his lasting impression was that folks in UK seem to hang about on trails, fixing bikes, chatting, whatever. I hadn't really thought about it before, but he definitely has a point...
Glentress King/Queen race a few years back had people lying bikes down on the trail whilst they stood at another part checking out lines. There were also groups completely block trail exits. Couldn't get my head around it, some of them seemed a tad upset when their bikes nearly got ridden over
It's Cannock
Not unusual to find fricken horses on the trail
Also dogs
runners
deer millions of those
drone pilots
yetis
werewolves
hobbits
shrines
stretchers/crutches
stick men
stag parties
unicorns
swings
black eyed children
root vegetables
pig man
panthers
and many more
^^^^ How very dare you! I've never been to Cannock!
I take it back "theotherjonv", you got a couple of bites so must be upgraded to 2/10
Do i get extra marks for.....
If you want to race down downhill tracks and trails then go and do it on proper timed races and enduros, not on a saturday afternoon when a family could be out for a gentle ride.
Same as if you want to thrash cars and motorbikes about, do it on a proper track day. We don't tolerate people racing on the public highway.
-> 😉
(seriously though...... it is completely stupid on the part of the pushees, but if you aren't [u]sure[/u] the track is clear and can't stop, I'd get no satisfaction from sitting in my wheelchair knowing that technically I was right)
(seriously though...... it is completely stupid on the part of the pushees, but if you aren't sure the track is clear and can't stop, I'd get no satisfaction from sitting in my wheelchair knowing that technically I was right)
so its still the riders fault in greatest STW shocker ever
Glentress King/Queen race a few years back had people lying bikes down on the trail whilst they stood at another part checking out lines. There were also groups completely block trail exits. Couldn't get my head around it, some of them seemed a tad upset when their bikes nearly got ridden over
This happens in road riding too. One rider stops at the side of the road to await clubmates at top of a hill. Remaining riders roll up one by one, stop alongside or just behind and before you know it, they're 4 abreast into the road, bikes side on, chatting, faffing, eating and generally not looking. They then seem surprised when a car tries to get past them all and can't.
so its still the riders fault in greatest STW shocker ever
No. I didn't blame anyone, I said the pushees were stupid.
I said that he was technically right - but I'd gain little satisfaction from that if I was injured as a consequence and i could have done something to avoid / mitigate that risk.
If you see that as apportioning blame then i suspect we won't ever agree. I maybe have a different approach to risk than you which is fine.
As with almost any 'accident' each one of the people concerned could have done something differently to prevent it happening. Doesn't make the blame or the stupidity 50/50.
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godzilla facepalm double post doh. 😳
Have we determined whether the music on the vid is
A) Good
B) Shite
C) What music?
It was Fall Out Boy, definitely B
As with almost any 'accident' each one of the people concerned could have done something differently to prevent it happening.
Eh?
How are guys meant to train for races, if they can't ride at race pace on a dedicated DH bloody track? You're living up to your name there.
I've been there and got the tshirt too - some guy decided it'd be awesome to change his tube with his bike cross the trail upside down around a fast blind corner... completely wiped him out and proceeded to fly 15 foot forwards and down until my shoulder tucked nicely behind a raised root.
4 years later and it's just about back to strength after the operation!
Surey its strava's fault not the rider or the pusher.
We regularly get walkers on all the local purpose built trails here, including the one full on DH trail that is sanctioned by the FC. thankfully I'm so slow it doesnt bother me.
There could be a crashed rider or their bike on the trail. Unless your run is marshalled, you are always exposing yourself to a foreseeable but small risk (over and above the inherent risk of you just stacking all by yourself) if you go at race speed. The choice is yours.
So is the M25 but I tend to go with the flow of traffic.It's a public area though isn't it?
If there had been a fallen rider then it's just one of those things, nobody would complain.
Pushing up a DH track is potential Darwin Award territory though.
How are guys meant to train for races, if they can't ride at race pace on a dedicated DH bloody track? You're living up to your name there.
I didn't realise that when you buy an abusrdly expensive bouncy bike, it comes with a certificate allowing you to ride out of control and crash into people in public spaces. Nice one.
Nobody was out of control. The "stop in the distance you can see" arguement is bobbins too, exactly what is someone meant to do going over blind features?
Is it too early to mention baby robins?
nah it should've been along straight after the child's face tbh
Nobody was out of control.
So why didn't he stop?
...ride out of control and crash into people in public spaces...
Rider was in full control, he wouldn't have made it that far if he hadn't have been.
Not to mention that a lot of features have to be hit at speed to clear them,
copa - Member
So why didn't he stop?
Very good 🙂
If someone steps out in front of your car and you dont have time to avoid hitting them, does that mean you were out of control too?
If someone steps out in front of your car and you dont have time to avoid hitting them, does that mean you were out of control too?
Yes.
In 20 years of throwing myself downhills for fun, I know of one accident that has been "life changing" and that was nearly 15 years ago now. It's incredibly rare, and even given those astoundingly rare odds...it still would've been 100% the fault of the pushers...
The rider did have space to avoid the pusher, not saying he could have done so without crashing, but surely better to try and turn right and avoid the guy?
I only started this to get the child's face argument in. Didn't realise my fishing trip would be so fruitful.
But seeing as you asked - could you envision a situation where exactly the same circumstances of a walker or rider or baby robin or whatever on the trail didn't result in a crash. Would those circumstances involve riding more slowly? Even if a crash was unavoidable, would those circumstances lower the consequences of the crash?
Yes
Oh come on you're not even trying now!
[i]There could be a crashed rider or their bike on the trail[/i]
There [i]could [/i]be an alien invasion landing their saucer, or the Queen making a flying visit to Cannock and having a sly poo on the DH track.
But none of those things happened did they? What happened was a stupid mountain biker didn't use the right part of the track to get back to the top. And a completely wiithin his rights (very fast, Facebook browsing) mountain biker crashed into the "mental retard" because he was in the wrong bleedin place! 😡
yeah, we haven't even started on the inappropriate targeting of people with learning difficulties yet.......
[i]inappropriate targeting[/i]
I don't think he aimed for him. It was an accident 😉
The rider did have space to avoid the pusher, not saying he could have done so without crashing, but surely better to try and turn right and avoid the guy?
I'm not sure he did, from seeing the rider to impact only takes a couple of seconds and the rider is in the air when he hits him. You can hear him hit the brakes when he sees him but then he hits the jump, once he's airborne they're not going to do anything and steering won't help.
He'd have struggled to avoid the jump with the speed too, that bike would have wanted to keep going the direction it was
Did he have bombers on the front? I can't tell.
I can only assume those that believe you should always be able to stop within a bawhair braking distance are absolute shite bimblers?
Not within a 'bawhair' - just within the distance i can see to be clear.
But I am a shite bimbler too......
I only started this to get the child's face argument in. Didn't realise my fishing trip would be so fruitful.
i see your Edinburgh defence, and I claim my five Scottish groats/punds/oats/strumpets (or whatever the going rate is these days)
An ants bawhair for me......but I wear corrective lenses.
I claim my five Scottish groats/punds/oats/strumpets (or whatever the going rate is these days)
Smackeroonies.
theotherjonv - Member - Block User - Quote
Not within a 'bawhair' - just within the distance i can see to be clear
So what about, for example, the Off Beat Wall, at the end of the Fort William WC track. Super fast run in, into a mega steep drop/ chute that is completely blind until you're at the point of no return.
How do you stop there if someone decides to have a family picnic at the bottom of the drop?
I can only assume those that believe you should always be able to stop within a bawhair braking distance are absolute shite bimblers?
Yep. When in public areas, I generally prefer not to ride so fast that I can't avoid crashing into people and then acting like a self-entitled dickhead when I do. But horses for courses and all that.
then acting like a self-entitled dickhead when I do
I missed that bit in the video
Yep. When in public areas, I generally prefer not to ride so fast that I can't avoid crashing into people and then acting like a self-entitled dickhead when I do. But horses for courses and all that.
We have a winner.
[quote=copa ]I can only assume those that believe you should always be able to stop within a bawhair braking distance are absolute shite bimblers?
Yep. When in public areas, I generally prefer not to ride so fast that I can't avoid crashing into people and then acting like a self-entitled dickhead when I do. But horses for courses and all that.
Do you drive everywhere at <5mph?
I generally prefer not to ride so fast that I can't avoid crashing into people and then acting like a self-entitled dickhead when I do
Let me guess, you prefer to act like a dickhead on the internet?
chakaping: Nail. Head.
I've never been to Cannock - but a quick [url= http://www.chasetrails.co.uk/downhill/ ]browse[/url] tells me if I was on the DH track, I should be able to ride it like a DH track (if, indeed, I was capable of such behaviour) and not like a public bridleway off the South Downs.