[Closed] What steel roadbike frame

me running across the motorway to get a Swan wandering around lane2

I always knew you were made of "special" material
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Would love to see if I made highways agency CCTV news etc

Done. Pics to follow later in week.... 8)

Cheers for your patience and help guys

Ah come on. What did you go for?

It had better not be that Ritchey!
*puts balaclava on one side and searches sat nav history for horas address*

(Moves to a safe house) 😀

What have you got?

I've gone steel this year, think it's an age thing and I'm not competitive anymore so might as well like what I get.
Having a training do it all roadie built soon, all steel including forks, otherwise bog standard. Though I'm going to see if he can do an ISP, not sure I'll get a topper for Columbus SL though.

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Bregantes going to like what I've got. I love its looks. Stoked I am. **** the modern Velominati rules

😀 You'll do well if it fits, the geometry is a bit funny on them. I have seen a few build photos; all of them have had short stems and quite a few stem spacers. What size did you get? 57cm?

Yes 57 🙂

Cheers hora.

Looks like I'll have a new summer road bike by May then!

£450 sound about right? 😆

25% off RRP? You do realise your trying to barter with a Yorkshireman 😕

Too late but here's the burly Volare.
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Those rims on that bike?

Look awesome. It's a race bike.

didn't you buy that frame when I "PSA'ed" it within another thread, as you saved me buying the last one in my size? Theyve gone and got more in and I keep window-shopping, so youre not helping 😀

Lovely but at the risk of being [b]hyper[/b] picky I'm personally not a fan of deeper section wheels on skinny tubed bikes (be it skinny steel or skinny carbon)purely for aesthetics.

The fact they'd be well out of my budget is irrelevant 🙂

Subtle aren't they. There are some low profiles for poor weather.

Deep section rims on skinny tubes look awesome. I like!

Those rims on that bike?

Not a big fan of deep section wheels on skinny tubed bikes either... but for THOSE wheels I make an exception 🙂

Old git are they really the worlds most expensive wheels on an 853 steel frame? They must have cost as much as the rest of the bike combined.

I guess you can make a cogent argument for it. The frame, within reason, makes less performance difference than the wheels if the wheels in question are deep section areo types.

If we are talking aesthetics, I'm much more offended by the grey cable outers than the wheels on the Volare.

Didn't pay the full 2.7k for them. Availability of those wheels was the main contributing factor in going ahead with a steel race bike.

Being a bit thick but how do you find BB cup removal tools for road sized cups?

They're usually the same.....ish.

I know. When I stripped the PlanetX to sell I had to leave the BB in 🙁

Oldgit tubs or clinchers?

New ultegra has a smaller OD cup. An adaptor is available

Cheers -SHIMANO TL-FC25 bottom bracket tool adapter? Its cheap to buy but boy UK retailers like to add postage costs. Might just go for a normal sized cup if ok?

You are tighter than a gnatts chuff Hora 😀 What was the quote? You're so tight, stick a lump of coal up your backside and in two weeks you have a diamond.

So I guess you went with the 'made in Taiwan' Ritchey rather than the 'made in Italy' Condor?

The Condor is £150 more, not as attractive and tbh theres more info/reviews out there.

But also- I like the way it looks. Well nice. Between both of them theres probably not that much in it for a hobby cyclist at these price points. The stainless Acciaio is probably waaay lighter but thats also waay more expense 🙂

The first steel road bike I had was more heavy than the condor or Ritchey but very stable. Stables good.

Ritchey also has greater tire clearance AFAIK, up to 28mm

The Volare looks good with those wheels. Very purposeful.

It'd be a different story if they were plastered with white lettering like carbon deep section wheels usually seem to be.

It's obviously a personal set-up, those bars look HUGE.

Hang on, did you but the Ritchey? Is jealous 🙁

Can I have first dibs on it? Timings perfect, it's my birthday next month? 🙂

Look at the pics of it that I found here: 🙂

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=115880

That does look nice. Id have to have the red white and blue paintjob if they do it on that frame tho

Nice. Now please don't ride it in your baggies 😉

No, please do.

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that'll be nice with ultegra, if it's a fair weather bike then white tape and saddle would work well to offset the muted colours of the frame and groupset

one point - keep an eye on the headset. The races are the headtube so if you have pitting on the races you will be stuck with it; this is solved by regularly greasing and replacing the ballbearing sets (with an aheadset this is the simplest job in the world)

bugger - if I were to upgrade my frameset that is the one I was going to go for 🙁

At least this way I can wait to find out what is wrong with it 🙂

Hora, Nice choice, your choice. 8)

So Hora, we expect full build pics by Thursday evening at the latest and a ride profile post this weekends hack in your stomping ground area of the Pennines. So crack on.. 😆

Oldgits Volaire is gorgeous and IMO one of the nicest racing steelies' out there. Proven, race profiles/angles, kit and it I'm sure rides beautifully. 8) Still not too sure about the wheels with the bonded carbon spokes but we've gossiped about that before and understand how Oldgit came about them, so visually it's sweet and suspect they'll add to the liveliness of racing a steely on carbon rims.
Cool 8)

Nice frame and it'll build into a nice bike. No excuses with this one, if you don't like riding it you don't like riding road bikes, end of conversation. No shame in that its not for everyone.

[i]Nice frame and it'll build into a nice bike. No excuses with this one, if you don't like riding it you don't like riding road bikes, end of conversation. No shame in that its not for everyone.

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He's right you know, there's no shame in admitting, once you've built it up and ridden it, that you don't like it. I'll ease your pain by taking it off your hands. Because I'm nice, I'll even take it off your hands [i]before[/i] you've ridden it 🙂

Great frames by all accounts. A club mate has got one, built up 7.3kg (Red groupset, Zipp crank and CK/Corima tubs), currenlty mudguarded up and belting out about 500km a week here in the Basque Country.

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Great frames by all accounts. A club mate has got one, built up 7.3kg (Red groupset, Zipp crank and CK/Corima tubs), currenlty mudguarded up and belting out about 500km a week here in the Basque Country.

Those seat stays look slender compared don't they?

With my kit- Full Ultegra, Ultegra wheels and Conti GP4000's/latex tubes how shy of 7.3kg will I be?

IHN- I like road riding but you can have it for half RRP in a year or so?

Excellent choice, I know you had concerns over the tubeset, I have a vicious cycles metal guru built with ritchey logic tubing and it is beautiful. Has the attributes you normally associate with titanium.

I also like the volaire, looks great with those lightweights. I met a couple of guys on a sportive, one on a Parlee and one on a volaire, the volaire certainly caught the eye more, even nicer bike in the flesh.

So given the stage this thread has reached...should I assume hora's not buying my Supersix?

Well Hora has almost the opposite direction as i did as i was planning on the Ritchey BUT ended up going with the Condor partly because i was impressed with there passion and heritage and the fact they done a custom paint finish for me , it always seem to freak people out when they realize its made of steel as the Tapered headtube and OS tubes kinda throw them off track .
Good job Condor don't make MTBS anymore !!

So given the stage this thread has reached...should I assume hora's not buying my Supersix?

You're still advertising it and this was discussed last week.

Very nice frame and the forks are absolutely fantastic. I also like skinny tubes with deep section wheels. My previous race bike with Ritchey fork and p-SLR wheels. For value and lightness, I'm thinking of a set of ARC Carbon tubulars. Sub 1200g and about £1/g too.

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Those seat stays look slender compared don't they?

Hmm and the questioning starts 😐

With my kit- Full Ultegra, Ultegra wheels and Conti GP4000's/latex tubes how shy of 7.3kg will I be?

Closer to 9 I reckon.

[i]IHN- I like road riding but you can have it for half RRP in a year or so?[/i]

You know where I am. Drop me a mail next month 😉

With my kit- Full Ultegra, Ultegra wheels and Conti GP4000's/latex tubes how shy of 7.3kg will I be?

You'll still get in at 8kg or just under I'd say. The zipp crank is insanely light (and shit), I think his wheels are about 1050g iirc (rear in photo is a Campag neutron emergency swap, hence tub and clincher on same bike). I imagine your wheels and tyres alone would be at least 500g heavier.
Lightness not the point of these bikes anyway.

Sweepstake anyone? I'd say 500 in wheels, and another 500 in group and finishing kit. Are you just shifting everything over from the PX?

Everything bar the seatpost. I'd try and re-use the front mech (shim it) if possible.

I've got an old carbon post- does fibre paste help stop steel/carbon bonding?

I'd say it'll be around the 9kg mark. It certainly won't be light...

Maybe more than 8kg then!

Don't worry about it. Climbing my local hill (12km @6%) on my 8kg bike instead of my 6.5kg bike requires a whopping 6 watts more! Might be a huge difference at the sharp end of the sport but personally I'd be better off trying to come up with the 6 watts 8)

my steel roadie weighs more or less 10Kg.

you'll save:

frame: 300g - if the stated weight of the ritchey is accurate.

forks: 200g (being generous)

wheels: 250g - ultegra vs 1900g for my open pro's on tiagra hubs.

maybe 1500g in total? (mabye...)

haven't followed all the thread so don't know the size of the OP's frame, but my mate said 2.1kg for the F&F in a 56cm (i guess that's 1800g+300g)

His spec is here http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=128775

edit, I'll take a stab at 8.5 plus pedals.

I'm in at 8.4kg

I doubt Planet-X finishing kit is very light, so 8.9 kg.

I say 9.1kg.

How are we going to get a confirmed weight for hora's build? I think the only weight acceptable to STW are those verified on njee20's scales. Is he anywhere near hora?

9.06kg sans pedals.

I'm sure Hora can sweet talk the shop he;s buying it from into sticking it on the scales and taking a snap.

9kg road bike? Sod that, it's not the 1950's....

I can sweet talk most bikeshops- all you need to do is talk to them like fellow enthusiasts 😀

9kg road bike? Sod that, it's not the 1950's....

Theres a few pics of Logics on the scales on the web. How is 9kg's bad?

I think something north of 9kg is more relaistic.

For reference, my Genesis 853 (with a heavy steel fork), full Dura Ace groupset, C35 wheels and alloy finishing kit comes in around 9.5kg. I reckon the fork is at least 200g heavier maybe even more like 300 or even 400g. Either way, with his kit I would be very surpried if it came in at sub 9kg.

A club mate has got one, built up 7.3kg (Red groupset, Zipp crank and CK/Corima tubs)

Really? I'm trying to wrap my head around this as that is insanely light for a steel framed bike. My Leggero with C35 clinchers (1450g) weights 7.4kg and the Leggero frame will be at least 800g lighter. The Leggero for reference has a full DA9000 Di2 groupset, 60mm carbon wheels (tubs at 1400g) and carbon finishing kit with ti Speedplay pedals.

Is that 7.3kg without pedals? I could just about buy that. Yes those wheels are crazy light (you see there are pretty big advantages to riding tubs as you can get a significantly lighter wheelset than with clinchers - by significant I mean a few hundred grams).

All of this is academic of course as it makes very little difference if you're not racing.

All of this is academic of course as it makes very little difference if you're not racing.

Theres a few pics of Logics on the scales on the web.

Built up with Ultegra grouppo/wheels and cheap finishing kit? I doubt it.

riding along at a steady cadence smiling and shouting abuse at any mountain bikers I see..

Or wobbling along panting, sweating and nearly passing out after having to haul the anchor up a mild incline...

Built up with Ultegra grouppo/wheels and cheap finishing kit? I doubt it.

A sub 8.2kg build [url= http://cycletechreview.com/2013/reviews/ritchey-road-logic-review/2/ ]here[/url] with a pretty standard 6700 set-up

flange try to be positive and upbeat. It'll make your day go quicker too.

'Finishing kit' - Its soo easy to change the seatpost (already have to), the bars and stem.

There isn't anything else that is 'heavy PlanetX' is there.

Cheer up and post happy stuff.

Sans pedals though ?

The wrong pedals do add abit..

Here's a funny thing.

Did you know that a £250 Enve carbon seat post in whatever diameter you care to compare (and bear in mind they are all the same length, i.e. 400mm) is heavier than a standard £70 Thomson Elite if you go for the 250mm version (and assuming you can get away with the shorter version).

Cheer up and post happy stuff

Nice bikes over light bikes any day of the week. Given the choice, would you rather ride an original Mercx or an Emonda (etc), flange?

Plus there's always this to consider...for most of us at least...
[url= http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/fitness-coach/Should-I-Lose-Weight-or-Buy-a-Lighter-Bike-.html ]Should-I-Lose-Weight-or-Buy-a-Lighter-Bike[/url]

Nice bikes over light bikes any day of the week. Given the choice, would you rather ride an original Mercx or an Emonda (etc), flange?

An Emonda any day of the week.

I ride a steel bike, don't get me wrong, but the thing I love most about it is how even more amazing it makes my carbon race bike feel (which is a country mile more comfortable as well as over a kilo lighter and a whole lot stiffer and more responsive).

I'd have the Mercxx as well but I wouldn't ride it as much. I would enjoy owning more than riding it.

[i]Did you know that a £250 Enve carbon seat post in whatever diameter you care to compare (and bear in mind they are all the same length, i.e. 400mm) is heavier than a standard £70 Thomson Elite if you go for the 250mm version (and assuming you can get away with the shorter version).

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If you only needed a 250mm post you could cut the Enve one down, shirley?

9kg road bike? Sod that, it's not the 1950's....

Bikes weighing that much won the TdF as recently as 1997.

http://felixwong.com/2010/11/tour-de-france-bicycles-historical-bike-weights/

Is that 7.3kg without pedals? I could just about buy that.

With. Spec's above, fill yer boots. The zipp crank is sub 600g with cups, SRAM red is a few hundred grams lighter than di2. Seems realistic to me, my pego builds to 7.5kg with some silly light tubs.

Love the amendments on Lance 😆

I'd query Ullrich's bike weighing as much as 9kg when he was running Lightweights on it.