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I posted this up on the thread about that daft george clooney film
but I think its worthy of its own one just to make us all greatfull we live in a relatively sane country
http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discussion/does-anyone-conceal-carry-when-they-ride-893840.html
Minimi, every time
.460 Backpack Cannon, of course.
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Good God, what a ****ed up country!
I used to post on svrider, a US motorbike forum and it was a popular theme there. And all I could think was 1) If I fall off my bike I don't want to land on a big lump of steel and 2) How the * do you even draw a gun on a motorbike, in leathers and gloves, let alone shoot it? By the time you get it out, you could be quarter of a mile away doing 100mph. But they were not convinced, even when one of the guys fell on his 1911 and shattered his pelvis. Oh and another one carried one around in his tankbag and got it stolen when he went to the shops, his response was "I should get another gun" not "I shouldn't leave loaded guns lying around". As yet none of them is ever to actually try and use it, thank god, as they'd get instantly killed to bits by some dude who is prepared to use his weapon, and already has it in his hand.
So anyway, bikes. Even more likely to crash on it. Less likely to want to use it. Not to mention all that weight!1!onE. And picture the scene, you're riding up an orrible climb, someone jumps out to rob you, you try and draw your equaliser (sorry, equalizer) while wearing your riding gloves and breathing out of your arse... Chances are you fall over and shoot yourself saving your robber a bullet.
Finally, bears. Shooting bears with a pistol is a *ing terrible idea, the chances of killing one quickly are very small but the chances of really pissing it off majorly are very high. Bearspray works though.
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Note the lack of helmets. Talk about dangerous and irresponsible. 🙄
^^^ hes got his wheel reflectors on though
safety first
you could always ask a police officer
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but then again they might be a bit confused about the rules - a camelbak on a road ride? - probably got the wrong gun
Exactly what you need when coming across a slower rider strava blocking you!
How the **** do you even draw a gun on a motorbike, in leathers and gloves, let alone shoot it? By the time you get it out, you could be quarter of a mile away doing 100mph.
You're obviously not a Sons of Anarchy fan...
Yup, I've seen T2 and it looks pretty easy.
Don't get me started, I married a septic and as a result have acquired a bunch of particularly rootin' tootin' in-laws.
One of them keeps a small arsenal dotted around the house, loaded AK-47 in the wardrobe, .45 Sig Sauer under the sink etc etc.
He once, beeming with pride, went to open one of his hidey holes under the bed saying that he was going to show me "the weapon that won WWII" he was a bit put out that my immediate reaction was "bloody hell, you've got a Lancaster bomber under there!?"
When I was riding in Colorado a few years ago I saw a few of the hikers carrying pistols when they were halfway up mountains, but this was primarily for defence against rampant bears or something. I'm not sure I'd want the extra weight of a loaded hand cannon in that thin air, but if they were happy to...
If someone told me I had to carry whilst mountain biking, or if there was a genuine reason (militant, rabid honey badgers or something), then I'd probably go for a cheap, reliable pistol. Something that was not too heavy and I wouldn't cry about when I fell off and it got filthy. I'd also want something that had a drop safety, so probably something like a Glock.
[i]Note the lack of helmets[/i]
Actually, that guy is wearing a bowler, which started as a form of protective headgear!
I'd go for a Glock 27 it's apparently very compact and ideal for being mad in the woods.
this was primarily for [s]defence against[/s] ending yourself if being eaten alive by rampant bears or something.
FTFY.
hatter - Memberhe was a bit put out that my immediate reaction was "bloody hell, you've got a Lancaster bomber under there!?"
Yeah, he'd read Max Hastings' book and disputed the effectiveness of area bombing.
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This is more for the Ted Nugent in your life, though;
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Well that is awesome grum. Movie? I'm guessing some relation to Desperado given Danny Trejo and the throwing knives?
Yup, I've seen T2 and it looks pretty easy.
I'm not sure a T800 would be good on a mountain bike though.
What tyres for time-travelling robot assassinations?
grahamS, looks like Machete Kills to me
isnt a terminator really heavy, would need firm springs in the suspension
Well that is awesome grum. Movie? I'm guessing some relation to Desperado given Danny Trejo and the throwing knives?
Can't believe you've never seen Machete! Think Machete Kills is the sequel that's not out yet.
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Can't believe you've never seen Machete!
Wow, that looks bad.
[i]*adds to watch list*[/i]
This thread has reminded me of this geezer:
"When you are out walking the dog". Where the **** does he walk his dog? Helmand Province?
Based on numbers, I'd say that large parts of the US are worse than Helmand.
That does come with a handy torch though.
"When it gets nasty, you get down to business"...... I think I'm going to have to start using that line
Well the 14" Barrel does make it easy to stow away in the back pack.....
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Christ I'm glad I live in the UK.
IIRC in the states you're about 4 times more likely to be killed in a robbery if you're armed...
Glock would be my choice. I know some of the guys who tested them before the recent adoption by UK forces and they're near indestructible, accurate to good distances and you can always get accessories like big clips if you find yourself in a really rough part of the woods.
I know I posted in the other thread but...
They really are nutjobs, when a law to increase the security checks done on people buying guns can't even be passed it means they are all doomed
Walther PPK. Or Magnum 44. 'Coz they're the only 2 I've heard of from films.
"When it gets nasty, you get down to business"
You look pretty nasty, can I shoot you?
You look pretty nasty, can I shoot you?
Only in Florida and Texas.
Yeah, he'd read Max Hastings' book and disputed the effectiveness of area bombing.
Granted, historically speaking I should have asked if he had a Soviet T-34 under there but from 'from the hip' I was pretty pleased with myself.
It was actually an M1 carbine for the record.
Not an M1 rifle?
That MTBR forum threads really doesn't surprise me. My immediate team members consist of 1 Canadian and 7 Americans. The Canadian & I just can't get our heads around how totally and utterly obsessed the Americans are with their freedom-defending weaponry. Two of the guys sleep with loaded guns in their bedside cabinets, both have small children in their houses which is apparently ok, but none of them them are allowed to visit Cuba as that would be irresponsible. As a nation, they scare the crap out of me.
A few years ago there was a serious thread on "what are you packing" on the Tandem@Hobbes tandem list. I don't know who were more incredulous, the Cailfornians or the Europeans.
Not an M1 rifle?
Nope, [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine ]M1 Carbine[/url]
hot_fiat, I'm not wishing to defend 2nd amendment people but, statistically, swimming pools are more dangerous to small children that household firearms.
I do think that some people get carried away with it all though. That might be about as British an understatement as I can say.
Nope, M1 Carbine
He's failed his history then.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand ]"...the greatest battle implement ever devised" by General George S. Patton[/url]
Christ I'm glad I live in the UK.
This^ + 1000
There are plenty of guns in the UK!
There are plenty of guns in the UK!
Not concealed ones there isn't.
I live in the US. I have about as much chance of being involved in a gun-related incident as you do in the UK.
A vocal minority does not make a whole nation. Look at gun deaths in the USA. The figures are broadly:
younger black urban males killing other young black urban males
older white rural males killing themselves
It's a bit mad here but the gun issue is all bent out of shape by a very vocal minority who use very traditional values to stir it up.
Not concealed ones there isn't.
You'd have to tell us how you know that - or do you have X ray vision?
There are plenty of guns in the UK!
There are, but people (that I know) don't make a habit of carrying a sub-machine gun while walking the dog or packing a 9mm to go cycling. 😯
Number of firearm deaths in UK: 0.25 per 100,000 population.
Number of firearm deaths in US: 10.30 per 100,000 population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
I have about as much chance of being involved in a gun-related incident as you do in the UK.
Not according to that^ you don't.
Not [b]legal[/b] concealed ones there isn't.
Number of firearm deaths in UK: 0.25 per 100,000 population.
Number of firearm deaths in US: 10.30 per 100,000 population.
Or 0 per 1000 and 0 per 1000.
Not according to that^ you don't
Pretty much not going to happen.
I live in the US. I have about as much chance of being involved in a gun-related incident as you do in the UK.
Hmmm.....
Or 0 per 1000 and 0 per 1000... Pretty much not going to happen.
Okay to put it another way, if it was a disease then it would rank as joint 12th next to Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis on the [url= http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf ]CDC causes of death[/url], ahead of such things as renal disease and Parkinson's.
But no one [i]ever[/i] dies of those eh?
Back to the OP... For Most UK trail centres a cap gun should suffice, but if I'm riding wild trails, I prefer a spud gun
But no one ever dies of those eh?
You'd better not look at deaths from cars...
Not according to that^ you don't.
If it were uniformly applied across the whole population, you would be correct. However, as I indicated elsehere in the post, there are greater details available in the statistics and they involve age, race, gender and location. Four variables that mean I do not have the same statistical risk as everyone else here.
I don't agree with the gun laws here, but I have examined them and the statistics more than most, partly because I moved here and partly because 'what you see depends on where you are standing'. I still disagree with the whole gun lobby here, but I understand it a whole lot more.
Hmmm.....
Do you have the statistics for 'gun deaths involving white, 42 year old suburban British mountain bikers in the USA'?
He's failed his history then.
Yup, and physics, once got into a long conversation with him about energy security only for it to become apparent that he didn't know the difference between nuclear fusion and fission. Attempting to gently explain this without embarrassing him was a pretty toe curling process.
Fox news; it makes you dumb.
You'd better not look at deaths from cars...
I do. I love the stats me. But saying cars are really dangerous doesn't mean you can just ignore other dangers from heart disease or guns.
Four variables that mean I do not have the same statistical risk as everyone else here.
I agree your personal risk is lower than the US population average.
I [i]suspect[/i] it is still quite a fair margin higher than the UK population average though - but obviously I don't have the data to show that.
I do think there is a danger in the American gun debate for certain conservative quarters to argue: [i]"it's okay, it's not 'Americans' dying, it's just blacks killing blacks"[/i].
I'm not convinced that is entirely borne out by the stats - and I'm not sure that it makes any difference if it was.
I do. I love the stats me. But saying cars are really dangerous doesn't mean you can just ignore other dangers from heart disease or guns.
Now that's where we disagree. If something is low risk I don't worry about it, so something else equally low risk is equally of no worry.
But, I'm not the anxious type.
If something is so low risk I don't worry about it then something else equally low risk is equally of no worry.
So because [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate ]the risk of being killed by a car in the US is 10.4 per 100,000[/url] - roughly the same the risk of being killed by a gun - then you don't "worry" about either of those?
But, I'm not the anxious type.
Neither am I - I just consider risks.
So because the risk of being killed by a car in the US is 10.4 per 100,000 - roughly the same the risk of being killed by a gun - then you don't "worry" about either of those?
Yes, neither is a meaningful risk. It's simply not going to happen.
The car vs gun thing is pointless though.
You can't drive your gun to work...
*cue loads of smartarse posts of military vehicle pictures*
You can't drive your gun to work...
But what if you drive with your gun to work in a car?
😯
A BB gun, it does fire bottom brackets doesn't it, or am I getting confused.
Yes, neither is a meaningful risk. It's simply not going to happen.
That's why you never hear of anyone being killed in a car crash?
I've used a bike to move along logging roads with a 30-06 rifle slung over my back while moose hunting in Sweden. Historicaly moose are hunted by a team with a dog but stalking clearcuts can be very effective. It's not thought to be ethical or legal to use a car to move around once you've started but a bike is. Very niche probably 3 bike hunters out of 300,000 hunters in total. Hope hubs not ideal!
Obviously, the firearm material needs to match that of the bike! 🙄 All of us Americans know that FFS! 🙂
So, if you have a carbon bike, a polymer framed Glock would be a good choice.
Steel framed bike = steel framed firearm.
And yes, you can get firearms in Aluminum and Titanium as well! 😀
Edit - so if you have a several bikes, you may need to have several guns as well! 8)
The whole firearm/death statistics debate is extremely tiresome.... in terms of cost benefit - what are the benefits of large numbers of guns circulating in society?
Aside from the occasional person that likes to go hunting, or target shoot, guns (in general circulation) serve absolutely no purpose at all.... there is no benefit side to the equation.
cars, swimming pools, drinking etc are all dangerous.... but at least their primary purpose is not to be harmful.
I'll stick this in the mix then,
It's not the gun that's dangerous it's the person operating it.....
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The whole firearm/death statistics debate is extremely tiresome.... in terms of cost benefit - what are the benefits of large numbers of guns circulating in society?
Same could be said of beer. Or pies.
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I'll stick this in the mix then,It's not the gun that's dangerous it's the person operating it.....
So an idiot with a gun is no more dangerous than an idiot without a gun? Unless the idiot without the gun was battering me to death with his bare fists and could easily be confused by a safety catch I'll take my chances with the one without the gun.
It's not the gun that's dangerous it's the [s]person[/s] wapper operating it.....
FTFY
Never underestimate how dangerous an idiot can be. And that's with or without something like access to firearms.
GrahamS - Member
It's not the gun that's dangerous it's the [s]person[/s] wapper operating it.....
FTFY
This is indeed true. I seen it in a documentary on BBC 2.
It just seems crazy that these guys are out in the woods etc, enjoying riding their bike and they're convinced that there'll be a crack den or a hobo out to mug them so they feel the need to carry a gun! I think it's the paranoia thats more scary than than the stats for actually being shot etc. But I find it equally worrying that creationism holds ground with so many people in the States too.
The guy on the MTBR forum forum banging in about mountain lions was funny though, especially when he talks about how amazing an encounter with one is....as long as he gets to kill it! Why?
t just seems crazy that these guys are out in the woods etc, enjoying riding their bike and they're convinced that there'll be a crack den or a hobo out to mug them so they feel the need to carry a gun!
It's no different to wearing a helmet. The fear that there's a slim chance it might be useful somehow gets warped into "you'll die if you don't".
It is though. By wearing a helmet you are protecting yourself and not harming anyone or anything else.
By carrying a gun, you can harm or kill something that you perceive to be a threat. Its also more likely that any such situation gets more blown out of control.
You'll find many people who carry pen knives on a bike over here don't stab anyone.
The yanks carrying [legal] guns is about as useful, and dangerous, as carrying a lightning rod.
Back in the mists of time I used to be a civilian working at a military establishment. On some Fridays I had to draw a pistol from the armoury for a demonstration in the afternoon. However, the armourer finished at three o'clock on a Friday and so I was told to hang on to the pistol until the following Monday.
I shared an office which didn't have a locking door or even a locking cabinet (I kept the pistol ammo in an unlocked desk drawer) and so I wasn't too happy leaving the pistol in the office over the weekend.
The only solution was to cycle home with the pistol tucked into my bar bag, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was (it was single shot). Luckily I never encountered any bears (not too many in Wiltshire) or crack dens (not many of those either). Good job I was never stopped by the police (I didn't have a gun license), but back in those days I expect the MOD police would have smoothed things out for me...............
Looking back on it, it was a strange way of doing things. The establishment had its own gun and explosives licenses which I could borrow to purchase whatever ammunition and explosives I wanted.