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having been given a DeLonghi Black 'Motivo' ECC220.B coffee maker for my birthday i fancy getting all nerdy with beans and grind coarseness etc etc in vague off-chance i can get rid of teh kids long enough to actually enjoy an undisturbed cup.
the office is round the corner from a place to get decent beans so thats not an issue. I dont want to do bags at a time just enough for me.
no idea where to start. i`m assuming i need a finer grind than for a caffetiere?
cheers mark
How much do you want to spend!!!!
£50-60'ish for a ceramic Burr
£80-100 for metal burr
£200 for the Gaggia MDF IF you can actually find one!
£200-1000+ for Cunil and the like
well i'd not rather spend enough to by me new forks. otherwise i'll do that.
The Baratza Encore for a little over £100 is very good - that's what I use. Below that the Krups Burr grinder at around £45 is perfectly capable. I have a Rhinowares hand grinder for use at work which is also fine.
will that grind fine enough for espresso?
+1 for the Hario mini, just got one. Good adjustment, nice even grind. £15 quid, no brainer.
The Baratza will grind fine enough to choke my espresso machine if I want it to and the Krups "kind of" will grind fine enough but not really. People tell me the Rhinowares will but I've not done it myself.
Krups is bollocks for an espresso machine. Avoid.
I've got the Hario Mini too. It does the job nicely, but if I had the money I'd want something that requires a little less effort from me or my kids (we often play the 'help Daddy make coffee' game).
i think what i`m getting here is unless i spend shedloads it wont do so i might just stick to shoving the finer grinds from the shop in the freezer.
There are much better hand grinders for not much more money than the Hario Mini. The Porlex and Porlex Mini or the Rhinowares I mentioned are all more robust and grind much more consistently.
Whichever grinder you get freshly ground coffee will be a lot better than ready ground!
all this coffee talk.....
...grinding right now!
Whatever you do, don't buy a Krups one, I have to remove the 'on' front button from mine and operate it by pressing a tiny bit of plastic weirdness on the circuit board inside...although it does still work 😕
Don't do that.i might just stick to shoving the finer grinds from the shop in the freezer.
How is a £15 hand grinder 'shedloads'?
My boss had a Gaggia one, not sure which, went for over £100 on eBay when he sold it secondhand. When on for years and years and ground really well.
Lots of reviews saying the Hario mini one is good but the crank rounds off after not very long due to a design flaw.
The slightly bigger one with the glass bowl is also highly rated and not very much more expensive (I paid ~£20), and doesn't have this flaw.
I find it gives a nice even grind at espresso size, but at coarser grinds it's uneven because the centre burr is floating.
The mini has a spring loaded centre burr so is good at quite coarse grinds. If they did the bigger one with the mini burr that would be perfect.
The Gaggia will be the MDF - rocking horse poo for the roses is easier to get hold off!
I have the krups. It grinds nicely and it's only £45. I use it once a day. I would be interested to see if a more expensive one makes much difference. I guess it depends how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
Once you go above a certain level then you're into professional grade machines anyway.
The MC05 Cunil I have is a case in point.
They sent me it by mistake instead of their 0.5kg domestic one which is the same footprint as the Gaggia MDF - only this one isn't! Think Costa and a full 2kg capacity suitable for a restaurant/coffee shop 😯
Never even took it out of the box so it'll end up on ebay no doubt.
Hario hand grinder here, works a treat. I use it for Turkish coffee which is an even finer grind than espresso.
I have both the Hario mini ceramic which is nice for portability and a recent wedding present of a Kitchen Aid artisan leccy burr grinder. Very happy with both. The Hario was 10% of the cost of the Kitchen Aid
maybe i`ll dabble with the hario one.
the initial posts and some reading around lead me to believe i needed a plug in baby to get fine enough grounds.
a mate has teh krups one and its bloody noisey and the on button is broken as per the chap in this thread so i`ll avoid that. i dont think i mind the faff. maybe i'll go for the bigger hario one in case i have visitors and need to brew a caffetiare full...
I've got one of the Porlex hand grinders - [url= http://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/porlex-tall ]this thing[/url] - great for one person, okay for two, you can buy most of the bits as spares from Hasbean. The handle eventually rounds off if you're careless, but mine's been going for about five years now and is still going strong.
I use a cheap £10 electric grinder, fine for cafetiere, grinds about 3 cups worth at a time. It does this in about 10 seconds, so it's no hassle to empty it and grind more if needed.
Press button longer for finer grind.
If your budget allows, get this one.I haven't looked back. Fiddly to set up to start with, but once it's going I can't fault it. http://www.happydonkey.co.uk/hd0866-iberital-mc2-auto.html
The iberital mc2 from happy donkey is excellent. It grinds a precise dose straight into your filter carrier so there's no waste or stale grounds. Their coffee is good too.
I have the Iberital MC2, bought from clueless period researching coffee stuff and loads of posts said to get it.
It's great for the grinding, but it requires fiddling to get the right grind. Varying the grind fineness and the timer. I find different beans also will result in very different flow of shots to others for the same setting so each type of bean needs experimenting with. For espressos that is. For filter and caffettiere it comes out good though with a general course grind, although adjusting between a course grind and espresso is a pain having to wind the grind lever to a different setting and back.
I've got two Krups - one for the coffee and the other for spices. Need two as your coffee will taste of spices otherwise
Had them for a few years, as has a friend. No issues
Exactly the same experience as Deadkenny with the iberia. Good at what it does but a pain to switch between significantly different grinds.
Anyone suggesting a handgrinder however is an imposter and should be thrown from the thread! A proper caffeine habit will never be satiated by a hand grinder unless you had a misspent youth of self pleasure and developed wrist speed and stamina only a teenage boy can muster.
Anyone had any experience with this one... [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002OHDBQC/ref=s9_wish_gw_d4_g79_i1?ie=UTF8&colid=23A5FNC2G352P&coliid=I1IXZ6543Y776K&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0VGYX00EXJ7M5XP7R55J&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=577048407&pf_rd_i=desktop ]Clicky[/url]
I use a [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bodum-Bistro-Electric-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B00P57ZX46/ref=sr_1_9?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1441430222&sr=1-9&keywords=bodum+grinder ]Bodum Grinder[/url] and the [url= https://www.whittard.co.uk/equipment/coffee-equipment/all-coffee-equipment/pour-over-kit-v60.htm ]Whittards V60 kit[/url]
I get my coffee from various places but quite like [url= https://www.beanandground.co.uk/ ]Bean and Ground company[/url] I was using Pact for a bit but choice of coffee isn't great, send junk mail but did use the odd freebie code.
A Nemox Lux for about £ 105 on Amazon.de (or eBay?)
and then this easy mod :
[url= http://www.wholelattecoffee.com/2012/06/nemox-lux-stepless-mod/ ]finegrinding[/url]
It beats grinders costing £300..
I've got a Dualit 75015. Off the shelf its quite good for most coffees, though its just a bit too coarse for expressos. I had to do a mod to get a finer grind. I can only compare it to my previous blade grinder and the pre-ground stuff you get in the shops, but its definitely better.
😐expressos
I was persuaded to buy a Eureka Mignon as the cheapest grinder I'd not need to replace.
http://www.bellabarista.co.uk/eureka-mignon-instantaneo-grinder-auto-manual-matt-black.html?gclid=CMyLgP2138cCFcHnGwodzHkLHQ
£280. Once set up for the beans reliably gives even grinds and accurate dispense. Mines a year old but really feels like it will last a lifetime and it's a good slim shape so don't take up too much worktop space.
I don't find the iberital difficult to adjust for grind and quantity. I have mine set to one third of a double basket. So its 2 grinds, tamp then a final grind and tamp so I don't get spillage. If somebody wants a weaker shot it's just 2 grinds.
Actually we gave 2 iberitals. Mrs bigjohn likes Taylors beans so they're in one and the happy donkey in the other. She's not a coffee fanatic but once you grind your own you can't go back to ready ground.
I don't find the iberital difficult to adjust for grind and quantity. I have mine set to one third of a double basket. So its 2 grinds, tamp then a final grind and tamp so I don't get spillage. If somebody wants a weaker shot it's just 2 grinds.
Actually we gave 2 iberitals. Mrs bigjohn likes Taylors beans so they're in one and the happy donkey in the other. She's not a coffee fanatic but once you grind your own you can't go back to ready ground.
But you have just bought two to get around the problem with the Iberital! I use mine mainly for my espresso drinking from my La Pavoni. You have to adjust a bit between batches of beans (and as they get older) but that's all good. However I also drink a gallon or so of french press coffee a week. If I put the beans for that through the same grinder I have to turn the adjuster knob 18 full turns to get the course ground required and 18 full turns back to return to the espresso grind. It's a faff too far so the french press gets tesco pre-ground coffee!
No, we've got two because we fill the hoppers of both with the bean of choice.
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However I also drink a gallon or so of french press coffee a week. If I put the beans for that through the same grinder I have to turn the adjuster knob 18 full turns to get the course ground required and 18 full turns back to return to the espresso grind. It's a faff too far so the french press gets tesco pre-ground coffee!
I do a big batch of it grinding into a sealed container I stick in the fridge which will last a couple of weeks. Good enough for the press and still better than stale supermarket pre-ground.
But it is still a right faff to adjust the knob between the grinds.
No, we've got two because we fill the hoppers of both with the bean of choice.
A lot of coffee geeks would find this poor form as the hopper is not air tight so unless you are going to use everything in the hopper up in a matter of hours you are trashing your beans.
If I fill a hopper (mahlkonig vario) it's gone in 5-6 days, just long enough for the beans to de-gas 🙄 the only concession to preserving the beans is the empty bag laid on the hopper to stop the direct sunlight baking them.
It's only once ground that the ageing process is accelerated, fresh roasted beans are good for a couple of weeks before they noticeably change.
I keep the beans in air tight containers in the freezer and just take out what I need. I know that's a coffee sin also as supposedly they'll spontaneously disintegrate the second any condensation gets on them when taking them out, but I can't tell a blind bit of difference compared to when I first get them fresh.
The only real difference I notice is between a good fresh roast and supermarket packs of beans, with the latter being horrid for espresso, though tolerable for a french press.
Bought, and happy with, Eureka Mignon for same reason as above.
well i ended up going for teh hario manual grinder - the one up from teh mini
its pretty good. the kids like arguing over who grinds and the coffee is definately smoother/less bitter.
you can grind really fine (which clogs the machine) i`m one or 2 up from from the finest setting which seems to work nicely.
all really rather good.
although my caffine intake has risen sharply.
although my caffine intake has risen sharply.
Are you getting the DT’s? is that why you have trouble hitting the’H’ key? maybe try decaf?
Yeah I've done exactly this and I'm definitely happier post-modification. However I still can't get a really fine grind - if I set the burrs any closer then the machine just grinds metal-on-metal. I don't think the tolerances are there to create a truly espresso-grade grind. So I wouldn't recommend this.I've got a Dualit 75015. Off the shelf its quite good for most coffees, though its just a bit too coarse for expressos. I had to do a mod to get a finer grind. I can only compare it to my previous blade grinder and the pre-ground stuff you get in the shops, but its definitely better.
Hand grinders sounds inconvenient enough that I probably wouldn't use them every day.
Ignore anyone who suggests blade grinders. You'll get better results with months-old pre-ground stuff, especially if you buy decent beans with an appropriately fine grind.
Brewing coffee is one of those things where the naive beginner often thinks they know better than the advice being doled out. E.g. when you're buying a snowboard, you should spend the most on the boots (yeah right, I just want the cool board with the sick graphics), and with an SLR camera you should spend more on lenses than the body, or a decent hardtail is far better than a cheap Argos BSO full sus.
AND it's far more important to put money into a grinder than spending on a shiny pretty espresso machine.