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For all those riding near and around the beast any time soon. I passed through this morning and was all clear. But returning through the same area about 5 hours later, found that some GRADE A F##K WIT!! had pulled logs and branches across bridleways everywhere, built dry stone walls IN the exits of corners! and worst of all, A F##KING WIRE STRUNG AT HEAD HIGHT BETWEEN AN OPEN GATE !!!! I took that one down, but can't say if there's any more in the area, Watch out!
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Really? Did you report it? Any pics?
which gate?
Call the fuzz
Oh joy.
Report to PPA Access Officer and the Plod
I've posted this on the Edale mountain rescue facebook page
I've said it before. I would love to catch someone in the act of doing this.
Shocking.
I'll tell nbt (Peak imba rep.)when he gets back from night ride.
...........do you mean IF he gets back from night ride!! Really really worrying. We had something similar in Cranham (do a search) last year. Touch wood everyone escapes like you.
W*****s,i am up that way tomorrow.I'll keep my eyes peeled.
Best put some sidecutters in my camelbak :0(.
I've been at the recieving end before on my mx bike,its not good.
where is the Beast?
my Dad is a volunteer ranger round the Peak and might be interested in this.
grid reference would be good.
Steve peat posted it on his facebook page, thats got to be some decent publicity right there
From Hope,straight on at Hope Cross,then turn R at next cross roads.
About 1/2 a mile down the hill towards the bottom fire road at the source of Ladybower.
thanks lard
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he's going to follow it up tomorrow.
This sort of thing infuriates me! We have unts doing the same on our local trails all the time, and our guide in Les Arcs last year sliced his neck on some electric fence while which was tied accross a trail and he now has a massive scar! Isn't the trail in question an official bike route?
Isn't this attempted murder?! What else is a wire at neck height meant to achieve?
What happens if these people are caught?
All the contacts & publicity is great but the police have to take it be told. If they don't take it seriously, it needs to be escalated until it is. You were lucky, but next time?
was the wire something that came from a nearby fence if not then i'd pint this out to police as if someone took wire with them then it would be a planned act rather than just some one losing their rag
Will said traps make the Beast actually gnarly now? 😀
Hora, we all know you walk down it as it is 😛
Walk? I SKIP - gnarly fast n fancy
You say skip, we say mince
jesus thats a bit worrying - why on earth though, isnt the 'beast' a bridleway anyways?
Just because it's a bridleway doesn't mean that some people aren't selfish vandals who hate sharing the countryside.
Devils advocate- maybe a walker(s) had a close shave with some mtb'ers or MX riders and decided to 'get even'?
Even if they were knocked over wire at head height is slightly more than "getting even"
Devils advocate- maybe a walker(s) had a close shave with some mtb'ers or MX riders and decided to 'get even'?
🙄 yeah, a car cut me up on my ride into work, so I've cut all the brake lines on all the vehicles in our car park. That'll learn them. Nothing justifys putting wire across a trail, no matter how hard you try and troll.
Fantastic anecdote. I'm not saying justifiable I'm saying motive.
Still trying.....
Theres no excuse for that kind of action Hora. In my experience it would probably be a rambler though. Some of them get very territorial and aggressive even towards 1.5t of Landrover. 🙂
This is the unhinged thing isn't it. Why do people generally do unhinged things? Answer: because they're basically unhinged. Why did Harold Shipman murder all those old biddies? People spend ages trying to think of a rational explanation, but fundamentally he was crackers. There is no sane reason to murder lots of elderly women.
Whoever did this was most likely quietly nuts in their own way. Or, more charitably, too stupid to comprehend the potential consequences of their actions. Trying to explain their actions in terms of rationality is a waste of time ime.
Got to agree with the Dog here, seem these around the Chilterns and trying to work out why your form of enjoying the country side so upsets someone else so much that they set traps that include neck high wire is like trying to argue with a daffodil, report to the cops.
I've found a couple of planks if wood burried in mud and soul with 9" nails sticking upwards between Grizedale and Hawkshead, supposedly to give punctures. Annoying as it is, and my mate ripped open a brand new tyre, it's also somewhere I run and I shudder at the thought of two 9" nails through a foot... Verging on permanent injury I'd say.
Someone did this years ago in the Forest Of Dean they made a mantrap dug a hole then covered it up with branches and leaves and mud.Mate came ripping down there and fell in hole split all is chin open loads of stitches.Now the same area is full of cyclist no hassle.So that nutter has disappeared thank goodness.
I'd like to write this up for the Ride Sheffield site
OP - can you email me (address in profile) as I'd like to chat more.
Anyone else witnessed this, again - please get in touch.
Cheers!
Si
Simon could you put up a small notice somewhere in the shop?
^^ or a large notice, in the window, visible to non bikers too, it affects all countryside users as much be bike horse or foot
It's just not acceptable is it. I think more needs to be made of this around the Peak, let other users know what's going on and that they could kill people by being so bloody short-sighted. Print off some fag-packet-shock-photo style posters and spread them around?
yep - exactly what I'm thinking, but wanting some further info/reports first.
Can't the Edale MRT / similar put up (made up) notices about a fatality. It would, at least, cause some serious soul-searching on the part of the trap-setter?
We have someone doing the big logs thing in our local woods, and the even sadder thing is 99.9% of the bikers in their are young kids.
Wires at head height, Walls on corner exits,branches across tracks.It sounds to me like these clowns
are active all over the Hope Valley. Similar things have appeared around Stoney Middleton, Eyam & Derwent Edge but have escalated since the tv programme about Chertpit Lane & Chapel Gate. I'd love to catch 'em in the act & show them where to put their nranches, stones & wires!
Appalled by this...
Have you reproted it to @DerbysPolice ?
Just move the wire to about 3" off the ground.
seem these around the Chilterns
Where, exactly...?
The type of cowardly scum that does this is just the type that will bleat to the police if someone does catch them at it and kicks the crap out of them.
Still, don't let that hold anyone back.
@ chrisfixed
Chris - Please can you report this to the police if you haven't already done so. Reporting it is really important for dealing with this stuff.
We had similar problems up at Dovestones earlier this year. It was reported to the police and made it into Manchester Evening News and also onto local BBC news. It had spread round all the local bike forums, riders and shops within hours as a result.
Whilst reporting it is unlikely to result in an arrest...
- the publicity has a chance of reaching the ears of the culprits (or friends/family of the culprits) and may make them think twice about doing something so stupid again ...
- it may make other idiots doing this elsewhere eg Hebden/Hamsterley consider the consequences (not only to riders, but also to themselves if caught!)
- it makes other mountain bikers who aren't on this forum aware of the risk
Funny that - the OP started this post 5 days ago yet hasn't reposted...
'fatnslow' has an interesting posting history, joined at a similar time to 'chrisfixed' too...(probably just a coincidence)
'fatnslow' has an interesting posting history, joined at a similar time to 'chrisfixed' too...(probably just a coincidence)
I'm not sure what point you are making. Not everybody visits a forum on a daily basis - even after making an initial post.
He may not be interested in debating it, but just wanted to make us aware ???
Hmmm
It's possible that john is exercising a healthy degree of skepticism. Clearly trail sabotage is an issue. There's reported, documented cases with police reference numbers. As per above examples eg Dovestones, Hammers. The one described by the OP sounds particularly unpleasant (more details as per other requests would be particularly helpful)
Unfortunately there are also urban myths that get circulated......and it's possible that the people who spread those (deliberately or naively) don't realise the consequences of their action: One obvious example...It can take years to get planning applications for trails past councils. Councillors can be very fickle creatures and anything that hints at a potential increase in crime (theft/mugging/vandalism/damage/whatever) stats on their patch is gonna be harder to get their approval for.
BTW - Just to be clear I'm not for a minute accusing the OP of distributing urbans myth.
Think the most important thing here is... any of us finding stuff like this need to report it to the police - photos if possible (and then get as much info as possible out onto the forums).
Most people have smart phones, take a photo.
An image really helps to associate risk with something.
Take the fag packet example above, for years it was just a text warning, but they have now moved to images also.
I'm not suggesting take a photo of someone who has broken and arm or anything, but a photo of a wire found at neck height last Wednesday (or whenever) will make any father, mother or outdoors enthusiast go "Wow that is dangerous.".
When we had wire put across the sea front cycle path it was hushed up by the cops as it was felt reporting it would encourage all the other idiots.
@ plyphon - Exactly! You end up with a situation where non mtn bikers are worried about mountain bikers getting injured. That's what we need (although maybe not, if you're as clumsy on a bike as I am 😕 )
@ zippykona - I'm really surprised at that. Is that the official line or is it something that might have been passed on "word of mouth" so to speak?
I've heard the argument before but I think it's one that represents a very outdated attitude that used to be held towards a number of criminal activities; arson - used to be the best example. Even in arson cases these days (I live on the edge of the moors), the police and fire brigade have now all moved to the position that informing the public is a better course of action for everyone. (I was at a meeting where this very subject was discussed last year)
The thinking these days is that publicity means having more eyes and ears on the alert and this outweighs any small incentives that may be provided to an also very small number of (albeit potentially dangerous) "influence-able" (aka "dickhead") minorities
Hora , whoever you are - don't be such a macho prick - this is serious!!! Grrrr :-/
any updates on this?
my Dad, who's a volunteer ranger (but not in this particular area of the Peak District) notified the area ranger who checked it out once the snow had gone and found nothing untoward.
he has suggested that if this happens again, to notify the police first of all and the National Park Rangers at Fairholmes.
they'll be keeping an eye on it though.
Hora , whoever you are - don't be such a macho prick - this is serious!!! Grrrr :-/
proper lol at that one!
bump
I'm not sure what point you are making. Not everybody visits a forum on a daily basis - even after making an initial post.
I'm starting to get an almighty whiff of troll here - the OP started this thread 2 weeks ago and since then...nothing.
He may not be interested in debating it, but just wanted to make us aware ???
I appreciate that, but surely he must be even a teensy bit interested in the responses if he's so concerned about it???
I don't revisit a lot of threads as I don't get any notification there has been a reply like other sites do. Anyway he probably didn't think he had to come on here and defend himself being as he was only trying to help others.