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My girlfriend got knocked off her bike a couple of days ago. Despite 2 flashing rear lights she was hit from the rear. The driver stopped and stated to Police he didny see her....

Ruth is now very keen on being as visible as possible on the road. She is pretty shaken and wants to buy some hi viz and hopefully stylish road items. She is particularly after a bright pink breathable jacket.

Can anyone recommend any items that fit the bill please?


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:35 am
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. The driver stopped and stated to Police he didny see her....

The driver didn't look for her nothing to do with the light. If the driver said he saw her then he would have just admitted driving into her.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:38 am
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Expensive, but Rapha do their woman's winter jacket in hi vis pink, and their Audax brevet jersey and gilet.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:41 am
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These seem pretty impressive. Someone in my work wears one and I haven’t knocked him off yet

http://www.bikeradar.com/commuting/gear/category/clothing/jackets/product/review-proviz-reflect360-14-49051/


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:41 am
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I've got a proviz helmet, nice and comfy and very hi viz. german company


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:44 am
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The driver didn't look for her nothing to do with the light. If the driver said he saw her then he would have just admitted driving into her.

Sadly, I agree with this. Really sorry to hear about the incident, and the resulting nerves with riding again. However, unfortunately I tend to think that the only benefit from acres of hi viz (beyond a certain point) is to make the rider feel safer.
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Realistically, beyond a static and flashing pair of light on the F+R , and some appropriate clothing, I'm not sure there's much more you can do in the way of passive prevention


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:48 am
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They couldn’t admit to didn’t see you because I was updating Facebook could they. The idea of being hit from behind by someone is frightening as beyond lights and hiviz your at the mercy of idiots.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:52 am
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Polaris RBS stuff is good. Had drivers stop and tell me they seen me from miles away.

Can be found at bargain prices too


 
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I agree that the driver said the didn't see her because otherwise he would have to explain why he ran in to her. It annoys me what little punishment is dished out to motorists who collide with cyclists.

It seems the 'I didn't see' is sufficient excuse. I guess wearing hi viz might negate that argument. Hope she is ok though.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:54 am
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Wait for the punishment not seeing a well lit rider is driving without due care possibly


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 10:56 am
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I saw a car take a sneaky short cut up a one way street.
At the start of the one way bit there was a copper on a horse.
If a driver doesn't see a man in fluorescent yellow on a horse in an urban environment he is never going to see a cyclist whatever you are wearing.
Scary.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 11:00 am
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Did anybody see the report on visability studies in the press a few weeks ago? Some research, done in Australia I believe, claims hi-viz jackets are a waste of time and hi-viz leggings are what you need.It was a very small scale project and I am not sure how much it proves. Drivers still need to be aware of whats in front of them for anything to be effective. Too many of the tinned life are oblivious to their road surroundings.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 11:05 am
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Go for highly reflective stuff, rather than just bright colours: Bright colours don't work in the dark.


 
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I think neon green and yellow stand out more than pink in the daytime (whereas at night/when lights are on reflectives are more important). Showers Pass offer [url= https://showerspass.co.uk/collections/womens-waterproof-jackets/products/womens-hi-vis-elite-jacket-with-red-led-beacon-lights?variant=36603488207 ]this neon waterproof jacket[/url] which also has some reflective fabric.

I would also suggest looking at women's professional team kits (although the choice and availability to purchase is nowhere near as good as the men's). The pro team strips are designed to be eye catching, because they are advertising. Very often the most eye catching kits are also the most hideous/tasteless, which is no bad thing: if it looks so awful that drivers can't help noticing it and thinking it looks awful, then that means they have registered the presence of the cyclist.

She might also like to consider getting a mirror. SJS Cycles have a good range [url= https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/mirrors/ ]here[/url], and I particularly like the [url= https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/accessories/busch-muller-cycle-star-mirror-fits-to-handlebar-end-no-stem-for-drop-bars/ ]B&M mirror for drop bars[/url], given that it is often more awkward to look over your shoulder when using drop bars as opposed to flat bars.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 11:11 am
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I had an idea for a gilet or top with LED strips sewn into it. Not seen anything like it for sale for a while.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 11:17 am
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Not pink, but the fluro https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CLPXHYSPHWPJ/planet-x-hydrosphere-waterproof-jacket is my jacket of choice, with my 3-season red/black Altura Peloton Transformer https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/altura-peloton-transformer-jacket/ (8% TCB) a close second this winter.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-flashlight-thermoliter-socks/ , with fluro orange http://www.wiggle.co.uk/defeet-e-touch-dura-hi-vis-gloves/ and the fluro http://www.wiggle.co.uk/giro-savant-road-helmet/ typically completes my "don't say SMIDSY" look.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 11:20 am
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What was the police reaction to the driver's Smidsy line? Are they pursuing anything? Which force? Was this at night or in the day?

As above, someone who fails to see a well illuminated bicycle is simply not looking. I fully understand why a traumatic experience like this would make someone want to go all out on bright clothing, but if someone's not looking, they still won't see.

Apologies for not answering the question. But would like to know more about how the police are treating it.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 11:21 am
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Proviz jackets are crazy visible in the dark although doesn’t come on pink and probably saying it’s breathable would be stretching it, worthwhile for riding in well dark conditions though.

The driver didn't look for her nothing to do with the light. If the driver said he saw her then he would have just admitted driving into her.

Uunfortunately this - if flashing lights don’t get their attention nothing will.

The daylight hiviz seems to be more of a blame shifting thing IMHO likely to be used by lawyerists in defence of their clients running over people whilst facebooking.


 
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Posted : 14/01/2018 11:29 am
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Hmm might be awkward if your stopping off for a pint thou.


 
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Not sure it is available in pink but I highly recommend a Sugoi Zap jacket. It is both fluoro yellow and then has reflective beads all over it so seems to be best of both worlds in terms of day and night visibility.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 12:09 pm
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The standard Proviz reflective jacket, while being excellent at night in terms of being seen, is a dull grey colour during the day, which is not ideal. They do however now sell a version which is flouro so good during they day, and has the same reflective properties for when it's dark. Comes in a choice of colours including yellow, orange and green:

Women's version: https://www.provizsports.com/en-gb/reflect360-crs-womens-cycling-jacket.html

I have one of the green ones and I like they way it performs in terms of visibility.
Pros - good day and night visibility, waterproof
Cons - breathability not great, cut may not suit everyone, price.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 12:19 pm
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Doesn't matter what you are wearing. The driver that hits you is the one not paying attention or driving too fast for the road and conditions.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 12:24 pm
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If the driver failed to see two rear lights, bright clothing is going to make zero difference. Cyclists are not difficult to see on the road, and if the driver isn't looking, any measures on our part are largely redundant.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 12:26 pm
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Agree. Proviz is amazing at night but rubbish in the day. When commuting I run a solid light on the bike and an flashing light on the helmet, front and rear.

Also wear a bright yellow cycling top and a high Viz and reflective backpack cover. Still had someone drive into the back of me at a roundabout as they thought I'd gone! There's only so much you can do, it really is just a matter of when not if.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 12:35 pm
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I saw the study which recommended bright colours on the moving parts make the biggest difference. Bright shoe covers or ankle bands seem to work well. Assuming the driver was looking there is a better chance of getting noticed. Seems the human brain blanks out a lot of the visual information a bit like speed reading. Our small brains can't cope with too much information so you need an attention grabber. Another idea would be bright lights on the spokes.

How good are her rear lights? Some rear lights are very poor.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 12:46 pm
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Inattentional blindness

http://road.cc/content/news/235330-new-research-finds-many-drivers-really-dont-see-cyclists-or-motorbikers-video

It's not that cyclists are hard to see...it's drivers aren't looking for them


 
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Based on personal experience with this:
More lights and various heights. I have 5 on the back, the lowest is in my mudguards, then 2 on the seat post, one on my lower back and one on the back of my helmet. A combination of flashing and constant.
Reflective tape. My commuter bike is covered with it, my helmet is the same.
Spoke reflectors. Not particularly useful for a hit from behind but awesome for for side junctions.
Ankle reflectors. Just seem to work.
Hi-viz gilet. Yellow, lot of refective stuff, does the job.

Bar that it’s riding primary, a bit of luck and being aware.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 1:46 pm
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Firstly what a horrible incident. I'm hoping the police are taking action and gf is ok.

I'm another one that thinks the issue is not how bright you can be, but drivers lack of observation.

This morning while running (bright turquoise blue top with luminous flashes, reflective bits) and headtorch, a driver just didn't expect a pedestrian already crossing end of off slip wide junction - he was too busy looking the other way to not have to slow down. He jumped out his skin when he finally glanced left and saw me sprint out the way...


 
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Im a huge believer in hi-vis as i think redlights get drowned out on busy roads.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 2:58 pm
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I reckon a pink jacket is a good idea, as pink is regarded as a girly colour these days.

According to Dr Ian Walker at Bath University, drivers give female cyclists an extra 14cm when overtaking. There was a suggestion that this is because women are "less predictable" 😯


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 3:15 pm
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After dark I'd say [b][u]reflective[/u][/b] top and reflective ankle bands and then shine a small light or two on yourself - then you look like a person, not a series of point sources of light


 
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Firstly what a horrible incident. I'm hoping the police are taking action and gf is ok.

This many times over, wish her well from all of us. It is a sad state of affairs, when people need to have hi-viz, reflectives and 5 rear lights to feel remotely safe. Obviously everyone needs to be easily visible, but there is something sad in seeing people clad head to toe in dayglo yellow, even groups of toddlers walking on the pavement.
OP as someone whose wife and both daughters commute by bike, I can only imagine how you felt.

It’s the drivers who drive too close to the car in front, so that their view is hugely restricted and a foot or more closer to the kerb, that always concern me. It’s not like the first vehicle is likely to have given you much room.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 3:39 pm
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Thanks all, Ruth is a serving Police Officer and she knew everyone who turned up to help. Her stamement is very good going into the minutia of what she was wearing and other conditions. The driver was interviewed under caution and has admitted 'not seeing her'. For me that has to be careless driving, the threshold for dangerous is too high for conviction.
Im grateful for all the suggestions for kit. I agree that no amount of kit will help if the driver isnt looking( for whatever reason).

She is battered and bruised and her DI2 equipment is a mess...but she is ok. It is really just a slight peace of mind thing regarding her visibility.

Thanks all


 
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I agree that inattentive drivers are a huge issue when it comes to cyclists safety on the road. I'm also of the view that you should do as much as you can to make yourself visible - it's one of the key parts of the cyclist safety equation that is in your control, such as road positioning etc.

I'm a big fan of additional rear lights above the usual seatpost location such as on a backpack (if you ride with one) and on the rear of the helmet. I find these higher level rear lights in particular grab my attention when I'm driving (mainly in an urban setting with lots of lightis competing for attention). Decent pulse patterns can also be quite attention grabbing.

Edit - Good to hear the OP's other half is okay


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 3:45 pm
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Perhaps a jacket with POLICE across the back?


 
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I've had the Evans own brand Proviz jacket copy for the past two winters. I've used it daily for commuting through the dark and have no complaints, apart from perhaps a bit more breathability would be nice. I'm not sure how effective where it is when you haven't got car lights or street lights and in dusky conditions. I think the perfect combination would be alternating stripes of yellow/orange with the proviz material - best of all worlds in all conditions. But I've not seen this yet!


 
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Polaris RBS stuff is good

It is, wear mine a lot on road rides.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 4:13 pm
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We dont twnd to ride in the dark, unless its a night mtb ride. The ride was on clear sunny day....


 
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Good to hear breninbeer, let us know how it goes.


 
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Glad she's OK, the last time i got hit riding on the road gave me the hebegeebies for a few months afterwards so anything you can do to reassure yourself that you've taken every precaution is probably a good thing

At night I'd say the proviz stuff is hard to beat. I'd also agree with the person on the previous page that said the best thing is to have reflective legs/ankles/feet as the movement helps to get you seen. So something like [url= https://www.provizsports.com/en-gb/pixelite-performance-womens-bib-tights.html ]this[/url] might be an idea.

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Cross posts and just read that the accident was on a bright sunny day in which case the polaris HiViz stuff is probably your best bet.


 
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It's worth considering how aero/flat back she is on the bike. I was discussing this the other day out on a ride with a mate; he came out with the usual stuff about hi-viz and I pointed out that I already had a bright flashing rear light and reflective overshoes. My upper body is pretty flat when I'm down on the drops so any hi-viz up there is very limited. So I was happy with my dark top. Reflective/hi-viz stuff works best on feet and legs.

Hope she recovers quickly from the experience.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 4:35 pm
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Rapha pink overshoes?

I have a selection of pink jackets, both fluoro and slightly more restrained, but neither the Endura nor the Altura ones can be described as breathable. The Altura one has pit zips, which helps, but the Endura ones are definitely boil in the bag - I just choose between jacket or gilet depending on conditions...

I do think drivers give me slightly more space when I’m wearing pink, too!


 
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As others said, sorry to hear this OP - road culture needs improving in the UK.

I'm guessing she's an experienced cyclist but has she considered Bikeability? I did mine a few years ago, at which point I'd been riding for 35+ years - club runs and London riding so was very experienced yet I still learnt a huge amount of good technique.

Road positioning and your own observation can help ensure you're seen and/or give you time and space to spot those drivers who aren't paying attention, so you can take evasive action, as well as making drivers aware you're a human being.

All the high-vis in the world does nothing if the driver's not bothering to look. Good technique can help force them to see you... or at least help you see them and spot that they're not looking...


 
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I've got one of those silver jackets that really shine bright when light shines on them. The most high vis bit of clothing I've ever seen.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 5:31 pm
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I'm going to buy some of this equine stuff!

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Personally, I’m not sold on proviz type jackets - they are fine when the light hits them, but don’t seem to be much good in daylight/general gloom...

Agreed, some reflective bits are a good idea, but a grey jacket on UK roads?

Hiviz/reflective ankle straps are my preferred option if I want to be more visible.


 
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Polaris rbs stuff heavily reduced on their own shop online


 
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Personally, I’m not sold on proviz type jackets - they are fine when the light hits them, but don’t seem to be much good in daylight/general gloom...

You're right they are really only any good when you've got some from of artificial illumination so car headlights for instance. The problem is there is nothing that works as well during the day as it does at night and vice versa. Hi Viz might be good in daylight but is useless at night reflective useless in daylight but tremendous at night. If you're likely to be riding in mixed conditions and want to cover all bases then you need a combination of the two.


 
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I like the idea of shining a light onto your own reflective kit. I wondered about this last week when my flashing joystick lit up a builders jacket from about 50m away and basically the whole builder flashed. I’m now wondering about a small battery led on top of my read rack flashing white onto my back?


 
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I drove up behind a guy wearing these POC overshoes the other day. I saw him for miles:

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Posted : 14/01/2018 7:28 pm
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I’m now wondering about a small battery led on top of my read rack flashing white onto my back?

That won't work I'm afraid. Retro reflective stuff works so well because light is predominantly bounced back at the source, regardless of angle. So light shone up at your back from your rack would not make much of a difference from the perspective of other road users (unless you'd very recently run them over!).


 
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I wear Endura Lumilite II jacket which comes in a women's version and in pink. Not had too many problems with breathability I think high viz with reflective is the way to go. As above grey proviz is no good a grey morning.

I see so many roadies (or rather I don't) in black outfits. I find them invisible on country lanes. On more than one occasion I've come too close on country lanes just because I cannot see them. I'd like to think being a cyclist I do look for them.

I watched a video on GripGrab yesterday. They reckon that hi-viz reduces the risk by 50%. Reflective strips on the back of shoes work very well in my experience - really eye catching.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 7:45 pm
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Yeah, I think motion makes a massive difference. Reflective bits on the back of shoes or ankles/calves are great in the dark. In daytime I reckon hi viz on ankles is also good.

I also put the reflective spoke thingies on to help at junctions and roundabouts.


 
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Some of the best things I bought were spoke straw reflectors from eBay for our paper round bike. The movement of wheels with two colours. Clearly only from side view...


 
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To the suggestions above I’d add the Garmin rear radar. Works very well especially on country lanes. Gives me plenty of notice that something is coming up behind, giving me time to think about my positioning for visibility (e.g. take a very primary position to make sure i’m seen, as being seen is more about being where the driver is looking rather than what you are wearing) then when the car is closer I can position myself in such a way as to give the driver as many cues as possible as to how and when to overtake. I really notice the lack of extra info it gives if I ride without it. And it’s a pretty decent light with a flash pattern that varies as cars get closer.


 
Posted : 14/01/2018 9:24 pm
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... which is only £100 at Halfords at the moment. Can get another 10% off too, with Cycling UK or BC. I'm quite tempted.


 
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I've been putting ankle bands on, they make you obvious as a cyclist

In reality, not being seen is not being seen. You get a SMIDSY on 1 plus tonne cars

I've also taken to wearing arm bands recently too


 
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Perhaps a jacket with POLICE across the back?
someone was making vests with POLITE on it and apparently you get a wider berth - again only if the driver looks - and only when approached from behind.

I’ve seen it suggested that hivis doesn’t work anymore - there is so much around we are immune to it. Pink may be better. Black and white battenberg has been suggested to be better as its maximum contrast, not an organic thing and we are looking for that sort of “data” from road markings etc.

Pedal reflectors definitely help at night so I can see those overshoes being good. But none will make a symbol appear on the drivers phone if they are looking there instead.


 
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Not a big fan of hi viz, uniforms are dehumanising and all the incidents I have experienced have been malicious not through inattention. Also I’m just not keen on the green/yellow look tbh.

However I do like to have bright overshoes or knee warmers or socks. Something about the movement makes them eye catching I think.


 
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Sorry to hear this. It's so scary and frustrating. I have a pink Altura Night Vision jacket which has plenty of reflective bits, so good in dull, drizzly weather as well as dark. It is not massively breathable so I only used it in wet weather. I agree having something reflective on your legs is best as the movement catches the eye. The older Altura Night Vision tights were great for this, with reflector strips down the calfs. Those combined with reflective tape on the pannier rack, reflective spokes, bright and reflective overshoes and multiple lights make you visible day and night. But as said only if drivers are actually watching the road.


 
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Pedla do a reflective gilet that is really very reflective. You can also get some rapha shoes and overshoes that are similarly reflective albeit the reflective stuff is a bit fragile so they're not going to work for MTB.


 
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... which is only £100 at Halfords at the moment. Can get another 10% off too, with Cycling UK or BC. I'm quite tempted.

Bargain. I can see a lot of people thinking what's the point with them but I'm pretty sure if you were to try one for a couple of weeks you'd not want to be without it.

I got hit from behind (luckily not nearly as bad as yours gray!) on a big wide straight road last year and it shook my confidence a bit and made me a lot more concerned about what was going on behind me. And while the rear radar wouldn't have prevented that incident it does give me a lot more confidence from awareness and ability to better manage what's going on.


 
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As others have said already, if a driver's not looking it doesn't matter if you're lit up like Picadilly Circus.

If you're going to go for Hi-Viz why not just add bits of clothing to what you're already wearing rather than throwing everything away.

Simplest is [url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fantaseal%C2%AE-Reflective-Visibility-Wristband-Sweatband/dp/B01FQND9IK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1516008892&sr=8-21&keywords=reflective+ankle+straps ]ankle bands[/url] - I know as a driver that the movement identifies an object as a cyclist from a long way away. If you're riding in normal clothes keeps your trousers out of the chain.

A [url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Endura-Laser-Cycling-Hi-Viz-Yellow/dp/B01AK9APN2 ]Gilet[/url] is a practical bit of clothing i end up wearing much of the year

[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Visibility-Reflective-360%C2%B0Reflective-Adjustable-Lightweight/dp/B06WXX8DJR/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1516008868&sr=8-6&keywords=hi+viz++belt ]This[/url] is a cheap, comfortable way of adding some hi-viz to a non cycling jacket that's easy to shove in a pocket.

Of course -all that is answering a completely different q to 'good lookign kit to wear on road'. I just go for 'not head to toe in black' so that I show up against a variety of backgrounds - it's easy to show hiviz becoming camoflaged against a forest background.


 
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Glad your girlfriend is OK. I am reading this thread with interest after recently being knocked off resulting in a stay in ICU. I am coming to the end of an enforced 3 months off (due to injuries) and beginning to think about riding again. I have no idea how I'll feel about this, hopefully the first few rides will go ok. I may invest in some hi Vis as most of my kit from that day needs replacing!


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 9:53 am
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I have one of the Altura mesh lycra gillets from the night vision range.
Goes on top of whatever else I’m wearing and is as close to no effect on breathability as you’ll get.

Polaris website sale for the RBS stuff does look good too. Very cheap but good stuff.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 10:10 am
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Having been out it truly horribly wet, dark weather this morning and seen several cyclist one of whom was wearing a ProViz jacket, I'm really convinced of its benefits in the dark. As well as being much more obvious than lights in a sea of other lights, it makes you look like a person, not an object.

As for the OP's daylight incident... what lights out of interest?

Was there any sort of explanation for the error, e.g. following a car in front too closely that hid your gf, low sun, under tree shade on a bright day, etc?


 
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Never underestimate the idiocy or the blindness of drivers. Our neighbour is, according to Mrs Gti who has travelleed in her car, a frighteningly incompetent driver. One bright sunny day the Police were in our street dressed all in flouro stopping speeding drivers and short-cutters. She drove 100 yards up the street and was flagged down and given a warning for exceeding the 20 mph limit. She is married to a PC as well so you'd think she would be a bit more circumspect!

I think a lot of drivers actually need glasses and are too vain or stupid to realise it. Many others are also too stupid to understand the heating and ventilation in their cars or the need to clean off the plasticiser film that accumulates on the inside of the windows and makes driving into the sun dangerous.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 10:34 am
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(Re: Garmin Varia radar thingy)

... which is only £100 at Halfords at the moment. Can get another 10% off too, with Cycling UK or BC. I'm quite tempted.

Bargain. I can see a lot of people thinking what's the point with them but I'm pretty sure if you were to try one for a couple of weeks you'd not want to be without it.

I've just ordered one. I actually had a 10% discount code, so the order price was £90. I might well be able to get another 10% off that when I go in to collect and pay!

I actually don't know whether it would have prevented my accident - I don't remember it. It's not impossible that I would have tucked in a bit extra if I had known that there was a car approaching, given the narrowish road / sun in front situation. For £80-90 it's worth a go though.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 1:13 pm
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I drove up behind a guy wearing these POC overshoes the other day. I saw him for miles:

+1 for overshoes, shoes or ankle/lower leg-based hi-vis stuff being the most eye-catching - lots more movement than a jacket!

Hope your other half isn't too discouraged, though I can understand getting the fear. Keep us posted on the case's progress.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 1:19 pm
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I actually don't know whether it would have prevented my accident - I don't remember it. It's not impossible that I would have tucked in a bit extra if I had known that there was a car approaching, given the narrowish road / sun in front situation. For £80-90 it's worth a go though.

Low sun is a nasty one. If I'm riding with the varia at least I get plenty of notice that there's a car coming (a long time before I'd otherwise be aware) and can look up and make a judgement as to whether the driver is likely to see me and whether to move to a strong primary position or really tuck into the curb, in bad low sun conditions I have often taken to the curb. With the varia you can easily tell how close the car is too and how fast they are approaching so you can use a combination of both primary and then taking to the gutter as they close in.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 3:08 pm
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Nothing will help with visibility if a driver doesn't look. Be wary of builder Bob type hi viz as folk think you are plodding along rather than shifting quite quickly.

I had my spine broken despite daylight, bright red kit and 3 lights on, one of which was in pulse mode. Driver didn't look


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 4:59 pm
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The last few times on the road I have worn an Altura hi vis jacket. But still get the same number of idiots close passing etc.

I actually don't think hi vis makes much difference.

However, if I have my go pro on my helmet and look around at cars approaching from behind I think it makes a difference and drivers are aware their on camera!

Maybe buying a cheap action cam and having it on your helmet will make more difference.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 9:22 pm
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I always try to make myself as visable as possible.

Tonight I saw, within the space of 20 mins, 5 people riding bikes and not one of them had any lights at all. Unbelievable.


 
Posted : 15/01/2018 10:29 pm
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I picked up the Garmin Varia radar today from Halfords. I had a 10% code that they sent me (I guess after I bought something there last week), so used that online, and then they happily took another 10% off at the till for my CTC card, so it was £81. I'll test it some time next week I guess, once this man flu shifts!


 
Posted : 19/01/2018 7:31 pm
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Tonight I saw, within the space of 20 mins, 5 people riding bikes and not one of them had any lights at all. Unbelievable.

And yet you still saw them!

There's a thread doing the rounds on social media linking to this blog:
https://bangingonaboutbikes.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/on-why-be-safe-be-seen-is-nonsense/ about being visible not being the same as people not looking.

Every single time I see a comment such as yours about cyclists dressed all in black or cyclists without lights or cyclists riding on the pavement it occurs to me that the one surefire way of being seen is to wear all black, have no lights and ride along the pavement - every ****er within half a mile will see you and point it out!

Ride legally with lights & hi viz and you'll get "sorry mate I didn't see you..."


 
Posted : 19/01/2018 9:43 pm
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Garmin Varia radar is now only £75 in Halfords, even before any discount.


 
Posted : 30/01/2018 6:35 pm
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<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px;">her DI2 equipment is a mess</span>

sad to say this is going to make the biggest difference. Until commuters on bikes start costing insurance companies real money things won't change. If there's a £10k bill every time a cyclist gets hit things will change within two years.

While I hate dash cams in cars, on a bike I think evidence can be a good thing in this situation. It's a pita though and more to set up and maintain.


 
Posted : 30/01/2018 7:13 pm
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Exposure Link plus

I bought one of these after being knocked off. It's brilliant as you can point it at people it lights the interior of the car up enough to get a drivers attention off the a phone back to the road.

I'd really think about a helmet light it can be seen over other cars, fences, obstacles etc


 
Posted : 30/01/2018 8:58 pm
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I stopped riding on the road for years, mainly due to a few incidents with other road users (cars), including the classic, *"You don't pay road tax"!

I'm back on the road now and I've already held someone to account using GoPro footage. However prevention is obviously better than cure/prosecution.

Joystick on bars and Joystick on Helmet, plus Exposure Enduro on Bars. All set to flashing. I find that the high output and the fact they're never in synch seems to alert people (wake them up) to my presence. I think the helmet light works really well when you look behind to get people's attention too. The reflection coming back from road signs (even in the daytime) should be enough to give away my presence even if my rear light doesn't.

I have two lights at the rear. A Leyzyne Zecto, set to max power flash and a Cat Eye set on constant, just incase some idiot tries to pull me up on the flashing light / constant light argument.

I'm also wearing an Endura Windchill II jacket, which is comfy, practical, bright and reflective.

Also having ridden motorbikes for many years, I think defensive riding and eye contact is really useful.

Stay safe you crazy kids!

*NB, just for the record, I pay a shedload of road taxes I have 3 vehicles, two of which are used for work and unfortunately are in the highest tax band...


 
Posted : 31/01/2018 9:51 am
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