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Its amazing the amount of slack and goodwill these guys have been shown by their paying customers....(using the phrase customer loosely, victims sounds more accurate) I would be fuming right now!
As you’re still here Joe, I’m perfectly willing to have a civil, grown up conversation with you (or anyone at sick) publicly to get to the bottom of what’s happening, and if there is any light at the end of the tunnel?
Joe, why are you trying to get a thread closed down if you have nothing to do with sick bikes? I’m afraid your attitude and previous postings by Sick themselves are somewhat tainting your argument.
Also if you have been trolled previously with vial homophobia, why are you now encouraging this kind of behaviour? It makes no sense?
@joe I'd not read the whole thread, and homophobic behaviour and abuse is bang out of order. Sad to hear this, there is no place for it.
Hopefully the sick boys will end up convicted to theft, fraud and any other shit that will stick to them. With their guerrilla marketing there are bound to be plenty of youngsters who've saved hard for stuff that will never be delivered.... That sucks bigly
STW are doing an article on Sick, Hannah has been in contact with myself and others collecting information.
No relevance to the topic, but what I don’t understand is, why a person would pay a premium price for a frame when he/she could go directly to the frame builder and have one made for $550 plus a shock?
Marketing.
For the Sick decals? They’re looking more like the terminally ill bike company now.
For most people, just going to Giant, Trek, Spesh etc. and buying a complete bike, then doing some sensible upgrades and selling off the unwanted parts would result in a better bike for less money than any custom built frame. Thing is, people want a bike that is different and special and are willing to pay for that, so marketing targets those people. Nothing wrong with that, but in this case, there seems to be a surplus of marketing and a shortage of bikes.
This is a mad thread. Just keeps on coming back!
With the 2 week social media and email blackout I just hope that Sick haven't gone and people get the frames they bought and their warrantee claims sorted.
Sick = two wheeled cult
Not wanting to rake over the coals in any way... ahem... but are any customers currently receiving frames/bikes from Sick! ?
With the 2 week social media and email blackout I just hope that Sick haven’t gone
my thoughts exactly. The last output was just a video Mea Culpa and a promise to do better in the future...and then radio silence. I'm a subscriber to the "Incompetent" rather than "Malicious" theory on Sick! but I hope peeps get the bikes they were promised or their money back.
two wheeled cult
There's a spelling mistake in there.
No one will received bikes is my bet. These scammers have spent the money that they raised for bikes on other stuff.
I think the simple answer is no, over on the other forum there seem to be several customers waiting, one guy did get a response from sick as recently as yesterday, so sick are still on planet Earth and not living with Hitler on Mars but it was the same old excuse and delay tactics. So no change. The soap opera continues.
money is gone, bikes wont arrive, sick will go pop (if not already). They played the industry for mugs and did pretty well. Makes for cringey reading going back to some of the gush articles from Dirt (and on here). Ooooh, they're edgy and punk and wont apologise... yeah, apart from when grovelling and snivelling on insta stories. Sad lots have lost money but may not be as many as it seems seeing as everything was a touch fake about them.
This post (and others) are literally internet gold.
As they told Dirt:
“YOU BE A DICKHEAD ON THE INTERNET, WE’RE GONNA FIGHT YOU.”
You couldn't make it up if you tried.
Then when it all dies down, a fan/employee/whatever comes wading in to the rescue, gets shouty & claims he's innocent in all this, 2 posts later an image introducing him to 'team Sick' 🤣
Nazis and Hitler mentioned within a page of each other- has this thread proved Godwin's Law?
Some people (like joe) have received frames, there’s half a dozen bike checks on vitalMTB, plus a few owners on the various threads that have come up, along with ones being ebayed. Not seen any of the new batch(es?) or the Kickstarter frames (save for a bit of cnc work) though.
I’m in the ’they’re grossly incompetent’ camp, rather than ‘they’re crooks’ camp, but it’s a fine line, and sadly for those who’ve handed over money, the outcome tends to be the same.
Ive had daily contact with James the "customer service" member 🙂 its been fun in its own special way but i'm no nearer getting my refund, I requested it on 29th April, told repeatedly that he has emailed Tim/Jordan/beelzebub (one of those may not exist/be true) and they will process it, I was also told Tim/Jordan will contact me (this obviously hasn't happened.
Im not averse to jumping in my van (when its replaced) and going to worthing and seeing if either Occult Tattoo (ive phoned them so they are there) or the address listed is real. Im also not ruling out stopping at Swinley and "renting" the two hire/demo bikes that are there 🙂
Do we know if Joe paid money for his bling bike? Or was that payment for his voluntary work?
I'm a bit suspicious, grizzly turns up, hurls a load of abuse at Joe and then Joe says he's going to get this entire post removed like the last one.
There aren't many ways to get a post in stw removed but I know how the last one was done.
Just a thought
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spev - small claims!
I’m a bit suspicious, grizzly turns up, hurls a load of abuse at Joe and then Joe says he’s going to get this entire post removed like the last one.
Are you suggesting that they are in cahoots? Hmm, the plot doth thicken..
joe says in this thread he bought a bike off sick, i didnt see any abuse from grizzly (already removed?), but he did admit to trolling him as it's easy. still though, this is riveting stuff.
TJ, yeah that's the plan, I have a mate in trading standards locally so I'll be chatting to him as well. Just starting the paypal dispute now, I thought i'd give them a chance to do the right thing first (I'm nice like that).
Are you suggesting that they are in cahoots? Hmm, the plot doth thicken..
After the post showing what a valued member of the team showed up I'm not ruling out anything.
Trolls move in mysterious ways with no dude diligence
In this modern new fangled age of camera phones and instant social media, it would be rather interesting for someone to turn up on their doorstep and kindly and calmly request their well over due refund and see what the outcome is. (you may or may not want to arrive on a motor bike driven by a benefit fraud for the full classic, amateur rogue traders effect 😀 )
In late breaking news, supermarkets are reporting a shortage of popcorn on the shelves.
Im not averse to jumping in my van (when its replaced) and going to worthing and seeing if either Occult Tattoo (ive phoned them so they are there) or the address listed is real.
Doesn’t look good. 🤭
Hang on, what’s that? 🤔
A ransom note?
Ah, I see, let’s take a look 👀
Looks like they’ve gone a bit less gothic, more dream catcher...
They do appear to have stopped defending themselves on Instagram which was their last line of defence. It was the easiest place to control the conversation anyway.
I can't wait to hear their side of the story this time. "Maverick bike manufacturer bullied out of existence by middle aged forum trolls."
Maybe they've been legally advised to shut their traps for 5 minutes now that people are making claims against them.
I genuinely hope everyone involved gets their money back. And as for the 2 monkeys and their parasite army, I have no sympathy whatsoever.
somewhere past that second godwin, when you think a thread simply can't have any more to give...
@pictonroad please if you have the gnarpoon t-shirt take it in for a replica tattoo 🙂
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Right then.
I've just had the displeasure of reading through all nine pages here. Grizzly has been banned earlier by my esteemed colleague and his more offensive posts have been removed (his less offensive ones haven't, for your viewing pleasure).
Joe, you and Grizzly clearly have a history which long predates posts on here. Whatever that is, I don't care, and I'm not having your little spat pollute STW any further. Posting personal details is the sort of behaviour which leads to litigation, and personal attacks / trolling - however you may feel they're justified - are against the forum T&Cs which you agreed to when you signed up. So, knock it off with immediate effect or you'll be joining your furry friend.
Carry on, play nicely all of you, or there will be hammers.
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Something about Occult Tattoo
Companies House has them as dissolved as of 2nd of April, so that explains the empty premises.
Why are people not getting refunds when they've paid with CC or Paypal? What's holding you back? Must be a good warning in here for people going forward with purchases (not just from Sick!).
(his less offensive ones haven’t, for your viewing pleasure).
Hurrah for the modz!
or there will be hammers
Pictonroad 🙂 cheers I'm all about the dreamcatcher 🙂
anybody been to Swinley and seen the bikes in the flesh? Do they disapear in a haze as you get closer?
They've got some cool Ts on the merge page of the website tho 😂Companies House has them as dissolved as of 2nd of April, so that explains the empty premises.
So how is Hannah getting on? Would be good to hear a rounded article after she has spoken to all involved.
Dunno, I was there the other day and they had some nice Starlings, didn't see any Sick's (might have been out on demo's I suppose).
newworldlobster
money is gone, bikes wont arrive, sick will go pop
Stupid question but... *where's* the money gone?
*where’s* the money gone?
A guess? Rent, utilities, tax, I can't imagine Jordan et paying themselves the little bucks either.
I had a good poke around the sick shrike thing they had. Was not impressed... Welds and finish looked poor and was bloomin heavy.
Still on the swinley hub site for hire... But reduced down to £40 (it was £90 a month or so back). Doubt they got many hires at that rate.
I can’t imagine Jordan et paying themselves the little bucks either.
Little/no bucks is all they had to begin with, hence them doing pre orders. Get the money up front, then buy the frames with that. However it seems they’ve either spent some of the money on other stuff (their insta was full of EEwing’s cranks, Intend Forks and spengle wheels, though I get they may not have paid for them/sent them back), or the frames they were going to buy were more expensive than thought, or additional unexpected (by them) costs arrived. That’s before folk started asking for refunds.
‘Low risk’ I think was the term they used.
Just pop down to Bespoked and ask them. Oh, wait. They’re not exhibiting this year...
where's the money gone...
general expenses & toys? a lifestyle beyond their means? truly awful wheels?
Little/no bucks is all they had to begin with, hence them doing pre orders. Get the money up front, then [s] buy the frames with that[/s] pay yourself a hefty salary befitting the CEO and MD of a major bike brand
Obviously conjecture on my part but they wouldn't be the first or last to think they're worth a huge salary just because their name is over a door.
I've not been following this thread much but a quick visit to their site shows that they are still taking orders for frames.
You'd think that if they had any moral compass they'd not be taking any more orders until they had cleared their massive back log, or paid back the many folks out of pocket.
Just got a new follower on my IG:
https://www.instagram.com/commit.equip/?target_user_id=7601938493&ndid=587fc054d9b30G24bc2f5efba01cG587fc4ee39e03Gb81&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ig_email_text_platform&__bp=1
✠ GRAVITY STYLE ✠
✠ Inspired by Ink ✠
Wooo! Where have we heard that before? 🙂
I’ve just had the displeasure of reading through all nine pages here
How’re you feeling Cougar? Does STE provide counselling for mods?
Just got a new follower on my IG:
https://www.instagram.com/commit.equip/?target_user_id=7601938493&ndid=587fc054d9b30G24bc2f5efba01cG587fc4ee39e03Gb81&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ig_email_text_platform&__bp=1✠ GRAVITY STYLE ✠
✠ Inspired by Ink ✠Wooo! Where have we heard that before? 🙂
Looks like they're based in the North east (Newcastle way), recognise a few of those spots, one a lot of people won't know about. (The dirt jumps)
Hi, I'm sure they're fine. Just another tatt/shirt company tacking onto the bike scene. Made me laugh that they linked to me when I have no IG profile other than following the Swedish babe model in my house.
Hmm, that sounds bad. Luckily she is a mate and knows.
I’ve not been following this thread much but a quick visit to their site shows that they are still taking orders for frames.
You’d think that if they had any moral compass they’d not be taking any more orders until they had cleared their massive back log, or paid back the many folks out of pocket.
I guess they have to to get more money in to pay back / provide frames for the previous lot of victims. Pyramid scheme?
don't think it's a pyramid scheme jezza, they're just utterly awful at business!
where’s the money gone…
Probably on the 10 sets or however many it was of Eewing cranks at a grand a pop. Seem to remember they were bragging about!! Or sets of those ridiculous £100 grips with elastomers in...oh and maybe real diamonds for their stems...
Or maybe just on funky hair die and new tattoo’s.
Committed is not SICK! Bicycles!
I can absolutely guarantee that
And I didn't believe that they were for a second. But the profile just made me giggle.
Bikes, ink, clothes. Who knew that'd be the new trinity?
And I didn’t believe that they were for a second. But the profile just made me giggle.
Bikes, ink, clothes. Who knew that’d be the new trinity?
A lot of other people apparently. These are from one quick Google search.
Bike Inside
Brick Lane Bikes
SingleSpeed
Fair do's!
Has anybody opened a paypal dispute and how long did that take to get your refund?
i'm just heading down that road now and looking at timescale
I think it's unlikely that any kickstarter buyers will have much luck due to KS t&c.
Cc protection likely past its efficacy now too... That may well be [one of] the strategy of the delay tactics.
not sure about CC but I used paypal and they have 180 day limit before your unable to open a dispute, im on day 103
I quite liked their "if you don't like our bikes **** off" attitude when they started out, I think if they had got things right and delivered the stuff they could have pulled that attitude off and probably done ok as a business.
I just hope that Sick haven’t gone and people get the frames they bought and their warrantee claims sorted.
Hopefully, but I reckon they are totally screwed now. I don't think the thread on here would have harmed them too much but I bet the one of pinkbike would have done. Word has probably got around by now about them so I cant see them getting many new orders.
I bet PayPal binned them off too due to the number of disputes they were getting and not the other way round. If they had just held their hands up months ago, admitted the problems and been honest with people that might have been able to sort it out but not now they keep churning out crap excuses so they've only got themselves to blame!
By the way, has anyone heard from Joe how his campaign to have this thread removed from STW is going?
I couldn't find this thread, so it's probably sunk away to the depths of... no, wait, here it is!
Ah, I miss Joe. He seemed much nicer than the grassynarcicia.
@dannyh I completed my goal in this thread. I don't give a **** about any of you lot as your not trolls but when some one trolls me for being gay then I have every right to take them out.
Take them out?
I completed my goal in this thread.
What - make yourself look foolish, be outed as a sick fanboi and further damage sicks reputation? well done!
I completed my goal in this thread.
Have you?
I plan on going out of my way to remove this thread from Singletrack.
How's that working out for you?
@joe What is your opinion of all the people complaining they haven't received frames or refunds?
I don’t give a **** about any of you lot
I can assure you, the feeling is mutual.
Are you going to flounce now? We haven't seen a good flounce in a while.
ooooh A flounce! been ages since we had one of them! Enjoy your sick bikes (plural) Joe! Shame that not everyone thats paid for them can though, eh?
(edit) GET OUT OF MY HEAD FLASHHEART!!!!
One persons sexual orientation has been mentioned so many times in this thread that I’m starting to wonder if he’s actually called Daffyd?
IM IN UR HED, RDING UR THGTS.
Edit - Actually, I'm going to delete this
Personally, I think GG (as was) should take a knee, whatever points he did have are being lost in his rants and raves, making people with legit issues seem daft by association. Or get threads shut down because of his spats with fanbois that get out of hand, thus handing Sick the win/silence.