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they are fast running out of time before the court appointed bailiffs turn up to seize their property to pay the debt.
They have property?
It certainly would be an episode of 'Can't Pay? We'll Take it Away!" worth watching.
Wondered if this would pop back up again as they were live on insta earlier.
Their Facebook page lists their business address as a tattoo parlour over near Brighton. If it was me waiting for a two grand refund, I’d be inclined to go and hold their tattoo equipment to ransom.
But... It looks shut down, and there's a commercial 'for rent' board outside it...
(I cycle past it most days)
DrP
Do Directors of ltd companies have a duty to ensure that Companies House has an up to date address for them?
Serving a writ/sending bailiffs to a co where there's no physical address would be tricky.
But also, as above, if the CCJ is against the company and they have no tangible assets you'll end up issuing a winding up order against them to get the funds against them and I'd probably just go down that route first given their history...
Website still taking preorders,
'Please note, this is a preorder, we currently do not have a firm date for delivery. Estimated completion date of manufacture is 29th May 2019.'
I note that says when they intend to finish making them, not when they intend to deliver...
Insta showing new projects.
At what point does this become criminal?
i possibly stand corrected... the for rent sign MIGHT be the building next to the tattoo shop....
But..it did look closed!
DrP
EDIT - I'll cycle past there after work today!
i possibly stand corrected… the for rent sign MIGHT be the building next to the tattoo shop….
But..it did look closed!
The tattoo shop certainly looked closed up with a note in the door when I drove passed on Saturday.
didn't stop to see what the sign said.
I'm sure this has happened in the last week or so.
Please note, this is a preorder, we currently do not have a firm date for delivery. Estimated completion date of manufacture is 29th May 2019
For both "available" frame options.
As Marino is apparently making them, and and he hasn't been paid for the last lot, and as there'd also be international shipping etc to arrange, 16 days seems just a touch optimistic. (12 working days, obvs)
CFH, i think the Sesh/Shrike are the 150 taiwanese frames, not the Marino ones.
Also, I think the Companies House registered address is their accountants address, not sure if that is relevant? (edit, that was changed to the tattoo shop a couple of weeks ago)
But..it did look closed!
I think this is a common theme with tattoo places, I'm always amazed to see people walk out of places that look like they have been closed for years. It's not all of them but a significant minority seem to deliberately present the image of a squat to the outside world.
they are fast running out of time before the court appointed bailiffs turn up to seize their property to pay the debt.
They have property?
It certainly would be an episode of ‘Can’t Pay? We’ll Take it Away!” worth watching.
Do Directors of ltd companies have a duty to ensure that Companies House has an up to date address for them?
Serving a writ/sending bailiffs to a co where there’s no physical address would be tricky.
But also, as above, if the CCJ is against the company and they have no tangible assets you’ll end up issuing a winding up order against them to get the funds against them and I’d probably just go down that route first given their history…
Sadly CCJs aren't easily enforceable, the 'Bailiffs' would just be debt collectors sending scary letters. The real power of a CCJ is it pretty much makes the owner uncreditworthy until it's paid, which won't affect the Directors personally.
They're required to keep CH updated with an correspondence address. The address lodged at CCH is 193 Tarring Road, Worthing, England, BN11 4HN, but that could be a Accountants Address or just a Mailbox. There is no longer a requirement to lodge directors home addresses at CH, or at least in the public domain anyway - all the directors are at the same address as above at CH.
Forgetting it's a bike thing at the moment and thinking as a (former) Debt Collector and Bad Debt investigator, if they owe you a bike or money, I wouldn't hold your breath. The only way you'll get paid is if they think that there's any future in Sick, the moment they throw their hands up and call the liquidators in you're done for, they're insolvent and tiny - the liquidators will take the lot and still won't come close to covering their fees.
The guy who lodged a CCJ was probably wasting his time, Small Claims / CCJ won't force anyone to pay, not really - High Court would, but would a Bailiff bother?
CFH, i think the Sesh/Shrike are the 150 taiwanese frames, not the Marino ones.
My mistake!
Suspect China rather than Taiwan itself though, wouldn't you?
Just going on what sick have said, for all its worth...
I was passing a few weeks back, the sign said they have moved to another premises almost opposite
The anniversary edition page on Bird's site looks likes they're having a dig at Sick.
I think the tattoo place moved down the road a bit. Just further down from the new place is a 2nd hand bike place that looks much more professional than Sick!
The anniversary edition page on Bird’s site looks likes they’re having a dig at Sick.
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I don't see any "new projects" on Instagram. Just a pair of headtubes with badly drilled / rivetted badges.
I think the problem is too many skulls.
Needs more flowers.
I can do flowers - they're easy, just 30 minutes with hacksaw, drill and dremel (probably quicker than a CAD rendering).
I also struggled "on shoring" this project as there was a puddle between the shed and back door.
It even has a Sick length seat tube, only this one was done for a ten year old....
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She looks older than 10 in that link.
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Wow. We made it to five years old! Our story isn’t one of glamour, multi-million pound investments or being the latest cool kids.
Sick took the piss out of the forum/website for saying they were too cool for school, sick’s response was that you can’t be too cool...
The anniversary edition page on Bird’s site looks likes they’re having a dig at Sick.
It's easy to read it in that context but it's pretty straightforward comment on what people would consider to be a good way to run a business.
Sootyandjim, http://bird.bike/five
Comments like making it to 5 years, not aiming to be cool kids; customer service;delivering for our customers etc.
Mick_r - looks good. Will it be one the "what I have made" thread?
I was passing a few weeks back, the sign said they have moved to another premises almost opposite
I solved this ‘mystery’ in noir photos a few pages back
Interesting that Sick say they answered all of STW questions and insinuate that it was down to the journo not telling the whole story (replies to one of the comments on the post below)
I’d like to see Hannah’s response to this.
I’d like to see Hannah’s response to this.
I think we're all capable of making a judgement on that one by now. Especially if they're still taking those pre-orders.
Hello folks. As of now, I have still not received answers to my questions. I have not even had a corporate 'we're not answering the questions in detail but here's a blurb' type statement. All I have had is a repeated promise that answers are on their way.
You may note that in yesterday's Instagram live post, Jordan said he hadn't answered my questions because they couldn't agree the answers between the directors.
If they agree some answers or send me a statement, I'll put it in the story.
the directors
In a company of about three employees, this is a bold statement.
You may note that in yesterday’s Instagram live post, Jordan said he hadn’t answered my questions because they couldn’t agree the answers between the directors.
Oh dear. They can't even keep the 'line' consistent for 24 hours.
There are four directors.
And one CCJ
So far
I’ve repeatedly said I don’t think this is a scam, just folk who don’t know what they are doing.
I’ve heard enough half truths, flat out lies, and now libellous/slanderous statements. This must be verging in criminal now. They know exactly what they are doing.
Smooth talking con-artists. Nothing more
interesting the comments for singletrack are disabled/limited on that post but not for others. maybe the directors should have a morning meeting to remind themselves of what fibs were told in the previous few days
They can’t even keep the ‘line’ consistent for 24 hours.
I assume they're trying to figure out if it's "punk" to offer to fight Hannah, what with her being a her, or if it might be deemed a step too far.
@newworldlobster To be fair and transparent (and we really are trying to be) we just followed them and I think it may have taken a few minutes to update to allow us to comment.
Comments Blocked for me too, though not sure why, as I’ve never followed or commented on any of their posts. Can you open comments up to a select few?
4 directors.
They probably haven't even delivered 4 frames this year.
Sooner the whole operations disappear into their own backsides the better.
The lot of em need a good talking at by a responsible adult.
Nice idea but a pyramid selling set up is setting up for a fail leaving any punters out of pocket
I’ve heard enough half truths, flat out lies, and now libellous/slanderous statements. This must be verging in criminal now. They know exactly what they are doing.
Exactly. Like I said below Hannah’s article: when Hanlon’s Razor goes blunt, you’re left with Nolnah’s Razor: the exact opposite.
Incompetence doesn’t stretch to this. Their website is still explicitly taking pre-orders. They’re just shamelessly lying.
Smooth talking
Ha! I don't think Nigel Havers will be losing any sleep over that pair of jokers.
thanks hannah.
it's amazing, they say "all questions answered to both mags" then come back in saying the questions at the bottom of the article weren't. can't even keep the line going for a thread in a comments section!
oh, and it's the toxic forums fault
Also I love the idea that two years ago 29ers "were still pretty taboo".
A 29er in 2017?! Holy ****! Mind. Blown. Too rad.
I have just asked the pre-order question. Guess the toxicity of the forum has rubbed off on me.
Also I love the idea that two years ago 29ers “were still pretty taboo”.
A 29er in 2017?! Holy *! Mind. Blown. Too rad.
Leaders of the nu skool.
Now saying they didn’t think Hannahs’s questions were asked in Good faith, and whatever he said would be used against him.
* them. I hope they go down in flames. Truly sorry to those who may lose out because of it.
Nigel Havers
My son's girlfriend had to deal deal with that horrible man and his "don't you know who I am" rant.
I rather deal with sick bikes than that weasel.
Any of anything been delivered yet?
What happened to FTW working for them on the kickstarter that they took money for?
£20k wasn't it?
My son’s girlfriend had to deal deal with that horrible man and his “don’t you know who I am” rant.
I remember to recall he’s got strong form on hating people riding bikes, too.
oooof
sickbicycles
@ran_shot_first All questions asked by both magazines were answered. However it is displayed by the journalist is not up to us. We can only provide the information.
ran_shot_first
@sickbicycles so hannah at singletrack is lying at the end of the feature
What happened to FTW working for them on the kickstarter that they took money for?
£20k wasn’t it?
Nope, only £8,246 ($10,674)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gnarpoon-a-hardcore-fs-mtb-made-in-usa#/
It was the high pivot gearbox bike Tom Howard fancied that raised £22,706 ($29,391)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sleipnir-a-world-beating-mountain-bike-from-sick#/
Don't hear much about the progress on these though
sickbicycles
@ran_shot_first All questions asked by both magazines were answered. However it is displayed by the journalist is not up to us. We can only provide the information.sickbicycles
@missionsystem Then honestly I’m a bit confused as they say in the article they have spoken to me, personally, several times. Did I answer the questions at the bottom of the article, no
My son’s girlfriend had to deal deal with that horrible man and his “don’t you know who I am” rant.
I rather deal with sick bikes than that weasel.
Maybe he should be worried then.
:O
So now the situation is they don't deliver bikes that have been paid for and you can't order bikes. Not sure where they go from here.
What happened to FTW working for them
Had a looked his IG last night, some lovely looking stuff on there, including neo-retro Accutrax forks!
Nothing that looked even remotely Sick, however...
From Sick on IG: “this is exactly I was trying to get away from…the outcome will be me getting called a liar.”
Seems to me that the obvious way to get away from that is to stop lying. But that would be bad for business. And by business I mean revenue.
Edit: Seems the pre-order pages have been removed in the last hour. Better late than never, I guess.
Every time I see that bike posted up there (Gnarcissist??), it looks very wrong. I'm not a bike builder, but the geometry of it seems designed to make it fold where the top tube joins the seat tube...
I’m starting to wonder if this scheme isn’t coming out of Nigeria and somehow related to a Prince requiring funds so he can release some bent bits of metal that are currently held in customs..
🤣🤷♂️
Edit: Seems the pre-order pages have been removed in the last hour. Better late than never, I guess.
@Bez - I think that was only because I asked the directly on instagram...
Why did you say in the pink bike interview that you're no longer taking pre orders? But you can still pre order frames on your website?
sickbicycles
@zach1977 it’s actually a mistake that it looks like you can get them - the stock is zeroed out - so you shouldn’t be able to complete itsickbicycles
@zach1977 but for clarity I have hidden them now
Piss up & brewery spring to mind.
As I can't comment these days........ anyone feel like asking about the CCJ?
So now the situation is they don’t deliver bikes that have been paid for and you can’t order bikes. Not sure where they go from here.
Back to the T-shirts, I assume.
Any amount of money, that putting things right means people get a £150 frame despite paying over the odds for their home-built crap.
Posting pics of said crap from the years gone by now just to seem like they are currently attention whoring as usual active.
Despite that maybe they're going to be a massive success and the "Haterz" are going to get owned in epic style.
it’s actually a mistake that it looks like you can get them
And with that he provides what seems to be the most pithy summary of the entire Sick operation I’ve read so far.
singletrackmag
@sickbicycles Hi! Now we can comment - seems there was a delay between ‘follow’ and ‘comment’ abilities. We think you’re being a bit misleading. Yes, you’ve talked to us, but you haven’t answered the specific questions we sent to you, or given us a written quote as a generic statement to include in the article. Out questions still stand, feel free to answer them at any time.
From their insta.
Looks like someone’s asked about the CCJ too, no response as yet.
ran_shot_first
@sickbicycles you say in your own comment up there that all questions were answered. Now you say they aren't. Guys. Come onsickbicycles's profile picture
sickbicycles
@ran_shot_first I frankly think this is just getting ludicrous now. Even in my livestream yesterday I mentioned the questions Hannah wanted me to answer. If I felt things were in good faith I would be more comfortable answering them. We have had a phone call, I thought that was the interview, that’s why my name is mentioned several times. I certainly didn’t accuse anyone of lying. And honestly this is exactly the thing I was trying to get away from. Spending all day going backwards and forwards, when the outcome will be me getting called a liar or whatever. It’s hardly productive
If I felt things were in good faith I would be more comfortable answering them.
Meaning: Unless you ask powder puff questions and I get to promote my site and get more preorders to keep my pyramid scheme from collapsing, I won’t answer.
Spending all day going backwards and forwards, when the outcome will be me getting called a liar or whatever. It’s hardly productive
Meaning: I don’t like being exposed as a fraud like this, particularly when I need some more preorders to prevent the pyramid scheme collapsing.
Just as an aside, why would stock levels not being zeroed or indeed being zero have any influence on preorders for frames that haven’t been built yet? Not built yet = can’t be in stock. I’d love to see these clowns trying to produce a set of accounts!
And FWIW, whatever the level of incompetence or deceit that got us to this point, they cannot be unaware that they are now just acting dishonestly.
Personally I doubt there is a snowball’s chance in hell that all orders are going to be honoured and all refunds given.
Just as an aside, why would stock levels not being zeroed or indeed being zero have any influence on preorders for frames that haven’t been built yet?
The "stock" is just a qty manually assigned to the item (obviously there should be some logic behind it), it won't be a fully automated amazon warehouse style operation, it'll be done by hand.
So for example if they knew the next batch would be 50 frames they'd allocate 50 stock to the pre-order, the system will be set up to refuse orders for which there is zero stock so would prevent people being able to order frames that won't get produced as part of the batch.
The stock system has no concept of whether the item is a preorder frame, physical stock of a frame or a t shirt, they're just text descriptors.
Of course in the particular case the system appears to have been given 10^z stock so that doesn't hold.
"you tell us to get our house in order"
A) they didn't
B) who talks like that (apart from people who live in the internet)
3) the forum isn't the mag (thank funk)
D) they really didn't
That's some next level of 'support' they have going. 😲
My favourite comment on that Instagram post is from ser_trauma_charlie who seems to have been recently thawed out after being cryogenically frozen in 1979.
It's staggering that they keep rolling out "we got bigger quicker" and " it got out of control" but never really apologise. The seem to think that appealing to the raging sycophants on IG is a better business idea than sorting out the customers who are actually waiting for frames.
If the ****less ****s actually had my frames Id still have them, I'd peel the stickers off and cover the head badge but i'd still use it. Unfortunately they would rather piss me off and lie to me.
Lets see how long it is before they delete my latest comment on the latest IG post 🙂
“YOU BE A DICKHEAD ON THE INTERNET, WE’RE GONNA FIGHT YOU.”
Did they ever fight anyone?
Not as far as I know, which is a shame.
Did they ever fight anyone?
I'm guessing Mr Neck Beard and his gimp would soil their supe-rad pantaloons if they ever stumbled into a real world encounter with one of their less-than-impressed 'customers'.
I assume Hannah will be the next in like for a fight
It's like watching an NCAP test slo-mo.
Sick!
Just had a look at their Insta - who on earth are thse people following them?
What a truly weird situation. One guy applauding them for "fire and honesty not often seen" WTF.
Jordan does an interesting YouTube video on how to use bots to get IG followers.
There's some wise words here: