[Closed] Ullrich also banned

did he avoid the swear filter too?

metallica will never be the same

i don't get the retrospective banning. pointless.

also i am glad metallica will never be the same. crap over rated band for fat middle aged men who still live with mummy.

Hopefully more will follow until its clean

Hopefully more will follow until its clean

Clean metal? That would be as unlikely as bouncy pop by The Fall.

I thought it was a given that Ullrich was on the sweeties? Especially given his ban from the tdf and then sacking from T Mobile.

i don't get the retrospective banning. pointless.

why pointless - stops people thinking of using state-of-the-art techniques that might get found out in the future.

That would be as unlikely as bouncy pop by The Fall.

I've always thought [i] Bingo Masters Breakout[/i] was a bouncy, poppy type of song 😕

And, as for clean metal, what's that Godbothering bunch of poodlemullet heads called? Stryper or something ?

I always thought he was an over rated drummer to be honest.

Master of Puppets was his best work, but he's gone steadily downhill since. I think this coincided with his reduction in drug intake.

Banning a retired pro what's the point FFS

And, as for clean metal, what's that Godbothering bunch of grebos called? Stryper or something ?

Do you think their hair is really that colour? They use [i][b]products[/i][/b].
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[i]The Operation Puerto scandal broke in 2006, when Spanish police launched raids that uncovered more than 200 code-named blood bags, [b]some of which were linked to cyclists. [/b][/i]

This is what gets me, who were the other bags of blood from?

Do other sports keep it all hush hush whilst cycling is completely open when it comes to suspected druggies?

Banning a retired pro what's the point FFS

+1

What are they trying to prove? Its like giving Maradona a yellow card for the "the hand of God"..

Achieves the square root of **** all..

cynical thank you.

Having read a few big cyclists autobiographies, lance, millar, kimmage, pantani, fignon I can't say I'm shocked. I wouldn't be surprised if next it will be Indurain and Armstrong. Disappointed but it wouldn't surprise me. Fignon makes an interesting point, he thinks race organisers should stop reducing the mileage and courses of big races, he thinks making the races more sanitised means anybody can win them even average riders.. And that means the average riders have been more tempted to dope. Interesting idea, evolution of the best riders, the ones who can survive. I doubt it would stop cheats.

My own view is that almost all of them were doing it but that doesn't stop them still being the best cyclists in the world at that time, however it's right to strip cheats.

Ullrich the drummer has almost definitely doped IMHO. 😉

Problem is training etc. has moved on from Fignon's day. There's very little difference between the top pros in terms of ability now, and I no longer believe natural physiological reasons are enough to make a difference between say a GC rider like Evans who can power up a mountain as long as he keeps his effort pretty even and someone like Contador who can repeatedly attack and seemingly never pay the price. Ergo once the GC selection occurs on a mountain then anyone who jumps from that is either a specialist climber (and likely not in overall contention) or they're doping.
Indurain was likely doping towards the end, it was just as first gen EPO was being widely used. Ullrich obviously was, I mean he came over from East Germany for a start and almost competed with LA (who I really can't believe anyone still doubts was juiced...)

Banning a retired pro what's the point FFS

Financial gains from competition are repaid ie. prize money.
Team point gains are deducted ie. ranking points ~ which are effectively passports into the big races.
Record of achievements are wiped - so personal achievements during this period add up to zero.

Ullrich was implicated in the Puerto scandal. I think he loses everything for 2005-2007(?). The Astana team line-up was caught-up in this mess. Hence, their withdrawal from the 2006 TdF. A certain A.C. used to ride with this team during that period.

And incidently, the initials of "A.C." were also found on blood bags at the implicated laboratory. Alberto Contador refused to submit his DNA sample for cross-checking.

In this week's CAS ruling - the UCI and WADA both point the finger of suspicion at Contador in the Puerto scandal. It was ruled-out by CAS.

Do other sports keep it all hush hush whilst cycling is completely open when it comes to suspected druggies?

nail - head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case

Master of Puppets was his best work, but he's gone steadily downhill since. I think this coincided with his reduction in drug intake

Steadily? I think they hit Load and it all went horribly wrong. Especially St Anger, where he sounds like he's hitting an empty tin of Quality Street with a broken paintbrush.

I don't understand the inconsistency. Contador was banned retrospectively and lost all his results from the date of banning. Ulrich has lost various result but his ban is prospective. Appreciate this is of no practical import whatsoever.

That would be as unlikely as bouncy pop by The Fall

Dig out "Life just bounces".

I recall years ago when I did my degree, one of the essay questions was along the lines of "given the difficulties of successfully detecting performance enhancing drugs, should they all be legalised". It's a good question. If so many people do dope, then it merely removes a level of buerocracy than anything else. Or does it, or who cares...?

I always liked 'Fat Jan'

A satisfyingly human TDF champion.

I think C. R. E. E. P. is quite boppy.

thank go d we have a clean LA beating all these cheats easily year after year after year

Its a shame that Ullrich was banned - now everyone HAS TO RIDE with LAs cadence that Carmichael designed. Had JU still been riding some of us gear crunchers would still have a role model!

I still luv ya Jan 🙂
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You can't dope for cool 8)

You can't dope for homoeroticism

FTFY

What a pointless load of waffle lol. He doesn't even race in the pro tour anymore, pointless drivel.

Steadily? I think they hit Load and it all went horribly wrong. Especially St Anger, where he sounds like he's hitting an empty tin of Quality Street with a broken paintbrush.

Statement from Jan on his website:
For those that speak German http://www.janullrich.de/news/18/erkl%C3%84rung-von-jan-ullrich-zum-cas-urteil-%E2%80%93-schlussstrich-unter-die-vergangenheit

For those that don't (translation courtesy of Cycling News)

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has now banned me for two years. This ruling brings disciplinary proceedings to an end, which has lasted almost three years. This sporting legal tug of war was unsatisfactory for all concerned for myself as for the public. It is incomprehensible to me why we all had to wait so long for this judgment.

I accept the ruling and will not challenge it. Not because I agree with all points in the court's opinion, but because I want to finish the issue definitively. As a personal consequence, I've pulled back in 2007 with my retirement from professional cycling. I confirm that I had contact with Fuentes. I know that that was a big mistake that I regret very much. For this behaviour, I would like to sincerely apologize to everyone - I'm very sorry. Looking back, I would act differently in certain situations during my career.

I wanted to get out of the Tour 2006 everything again. After my tour victory in 1997 and five second places in the public, sponsors and also my own pressure was immense. Everyone wanted a second tour victory, especially after the retirement of Lance Armstrong.

Shortly before the 2006 tour, I was hit: Suspension, headlines, ostracism, house searches, criminal complaints. I felt abandoned, fallen like a leaf. The whole world wanted to put me against the wall and then I went instinctively to ground, and eventually retired. As I said, I will not complain that not everything was warranted. Shortly after my suspension I wanted to explain my actions publicly but my hands were tied. On the advice of my lawyers, and as is usual in such cases, I have been silent on the allegations. Ultimately, this issue has polluted me for years so much that I was sick and I eventually broke down.

I am glad that finally a decision was made. For me this brings to an end my active career in cycling and it is very personal for me and my family for this difficult time to come to an end. Today's ruling will not have any bearing on my future plans. I never thought in any capacity to return to active professional cycling. This statement is from my side all that will be said on this subject and I would not like to make any further statements or interviews in public. I hope for your understanding. I hereby draw a line.

I owe a lot to cycling and will continue to further express my joy and passion for the sport to others. In the future I will therefore hope to be active in cycling in various roles. I look back on my cycling career and accomplishments with pride and look forward to my new career.

Jan Ullrich

I love that phrase "fallen like a sieve". I need to use that, if only I could work out what the hell it means

atlaz - now changed to a proper human translation:
Apparently german for sieve is also leaf 🙂

[url= http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/10/cyclist-jan-ullrich-doping-hair?cat=world&type=article ]Looks like the ban has affected his earning potential.[/url]

Why not just make it like body building and take the hell what you want with no testing. Just let them get on with it. I'm still going to watch it and its not going to make it any less of a sport.

Why not just make it like body building and take the hell what you want with no testing. Just let them get on with it. I'm still going to watch it and its not going to make it any less of a sport.

People don't know when to start and will keep pushing their bodies to the limits by using untested products and more the recommended into them. It would probably end up killing lots of people.

Steadily? I think they hit Load and it all went horribly wrong. Especially St Anger, where he sounds like he's hitting an empty tin of Quality Street with a broken paintbrush.

Nah. And Justice For All was the pinnacle as far as Ulrich is concerned. After that, he just stopped trying.

Why not just make it like body building and take the hell what you want with no testing.

Well body builders look far less freaky when not doping which means less cash is generated by a niche market. Cycling is just as watchable if they're not doping and attracts less of the main stream who don't want to see doped riders IMO.

If you think Metallica are overrated, you weren't there; man!