[Closed] UK "All round" full suss standard.

What's the current "UK Standard"

You've probably noticed a few threads about wheel size over the last year or two. Consequently there isn;t a "standard" atm (probably a good thing).

Personally I'm really liking a slack-ish (67deg) full-sus 29er with 130mm travel rear and 150mm Pike on front.

Light enough, pedals up and along great and is suprisingly capable on proper big mountain trails.

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Light enough, pedals up and along great and is suprisingly capable on proper big mountain trails.

Sounds perfect for the kind of trails the OP specifically said he wouldn't be riding

I've had a range of bikes from 26" hardtail to 26" long travel full sus and I'm now on a 29" hardtail and have to say for trail center riding the 29" hardtail is about the most fun.

A short travel full sus is a pretty close second and more comfortable for longer days in the saddle.

Hmm yes, I think the Nerve I linked would be spot on if the HA was slackened to 67.

These days a there are plenty of short travel bikes that'll cope with anything, but won't leave you overbiked on the local rides.

After years of being an ardent 26" fan I've just taken the plunge with a 29er Stumpjumper...I've yet to ride it on my local trails.

Sounds perfect for the kind of trails the OP specifically said he wouldn't be riding

Which post do you think the OP found most useful:roll:

At least say what you think is perfect whilst be Dr Diss

In recent issues of mags like MBUK I've noticed that shortish travel 29ers are making a bid for "best all rounder". Basically the industry will tell us what the best all-rounder is and the brands will all clammer to fill that market. You will therefore have a huge choice of bikes to test-ride so you can then buy the one that you enjoy riding the most.

Personally I think more than 150mm suspension is unnecessary for the riding you describe, but I would go full suss.

[EDIT] - I have a 26er Transition Bandit with 140mm fork and 130mm at the back. It is the perfect compromise for the Peak District and trail centre riding I do; not too ponderous on the ups and more capable than me on the downs. Do I sometimes want something lighter and more responsive on the climbs? Yes. Do I sometimes want something burlier on the downs? Yes.

I think the Bandit has the sweet spot for me, but I'm sure there are other bikes as good if not better now.

29er 120mm-130mm
650b 130-140mm
26'' 140-150mm

I think anything over 140mm is overkill really.

There's nothing I haven't managed yet on my 29er HT but there's been a few times I've wished for something a bit smoother. Something like a Kona process 111 would be loveley I reckon.

Bird have got their new FS coming out soon and looks to be good value :

http://dirtmountainbike.com/bike-reviews/exclusive-first-look-bird-aeris-uk-based-650b-bike-brand.html

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Sounds perfect for the kind of trails the OP specifically said he wouldn't be riding

No, perfect for what he wants - but capable of a lot more - and with no real penalty while riding the easier stuff.

In the last seven years my all round bike has gone through the following incarnations

160 mm 26" full sus (Enduro)
140 mm 26" HT (BfE)
140 mm full sus (Nicolai Helius)
100 mm 29" HT (Solaris)
120 mm 29" full sus (Gyro)

The last two were the most "all round" for me. Can't see me ever going back now from 29". YMMV of course.

i was going to say kona Process too.

That Bird looks alright, and I'll check the Kona, cheers!

Canyon also do the Strive with 140mm out back, but 150 up the front. I'd simply look silly trying to hoon it along a fire road on that.

Well if you want to buy a complete new bike you are going to be pushed towards 27.5 or 29

Personally I am firmly in the 26 camp but for your new bike I'd look for 140m travel 27.5 there are many many good bikes out there, for the ones I'm familiar with in terms of mainstream brands Lapierre Zesty, Cube AM. Orange 5 is aimed squarely at that sort of riding. I have a Transition and the Bandit would offer you a lot.

All of these bikes can replace your On One or you can keep it as a backup. IMO you don't need 140m for your current trails and you could ride that 456 at any trail centre red or natural rides in Wales, Peak District etc. If you want just one bike you could buy a Bandit/5/... frame and transfer your kit over with a few upgrades if you fancy.

for me

29er 100mm rear travel and 120 forks

can be quick in the xc world and more than enough for trail centres

biased as I have a rocky mountain element that is great riding to the trail centre 20 miles round trip on road and wonderful round trail centre enough to feel as I am riding not sat on a sofa.

or cheaper
26er with 140mm fork and 100mm rear travel and 2.4 tyres...........silliness personified

All of these bikes can replace your On One or you can keep it as a backup. IMO you don't need 140m for your current trails and you could ride that 456 at any trail centre red or natural rides in Wales, Peak District etc. If you want just one bike you could buy a Bandit/5/... frame and transfer your kit over with a few upgrades if you fancy.

Yeah that's the other option, buy a frame and transfer over what I can. Truth be told I kind of fancy "starting fresh" with a new complete. Which limits things slightly I know.

I don't mimd 27.5. Not so keen on 29er tho.

I have had many bikes over the years and tried to slim back to just a bfe last year
All was good but found myself after a full sis again so got a cheap zesty frame and swapped all the bits over - full sis on the cheap
I had 2 spicys in the past and always felt a little to much for trail centres so hoping the 140 zesty will be perfect

Try the 456 first

If you do decide you want to change then don't obsess over angles and lengths, try before you buy.

Try a few different bikes. Pick the one you like the fit and ride of the most and fits your budget.
Don't get too hung up on angles, BB heights, wheel size and travel (within reason).

To be fair, although I've recommended a short travel 29er, my next bike is likely to be that Bird, it looks mint. Won the grouptest in this months WMB too.

Thanks for the mention TurnerGuy. Theres a review of the Aeris in a bike direct vs. shop bike test in WMB out next week. Probably worth a look! If I can offer one bit of advice its don't rule out a longer travel slacker bike, you'd be surprised how easy going it can be on the more mundane stuff if well executed - travel does not equal XC/singletrack capability.

[i]"it’s stable, lively, communicative and incredibly fast." [/i] Just sayin'

As you can see from the responses from this thread its dependant on personal preference. You're going to get so many different answers and not everyone is going to agree.

For example the Bird bike suggested above is not something I would have picked for your needs. Its designed for a privateer enduro rider. Its slack and burly which according to me doesn't sound ideal for your needs. Personally I'd want something lighter, less travel and more responsive handling.

Best thing you can do is demo as many different types of bikes as you can and decide for your self.

I was in a very similar position last year when buying my first full suss. I tried everything from 100mm XC bikes to 160mm All Mountain bikes.

I ended up going for a Transition Bandit 26 as it was just so much fun to ride. I do a bit of all kinds of riding from 50Km all day XC rides to trail centres, jumpy bike park and DH. The Transition can cope fine with a bit of burly action. The second choice was a Trek Fuel EX which was better on single track but I wasn't sure if it would cope with regularly being thrown down a DH run.

But that's just my story you may have a totally different set of preferences.

* edit just seen Ben's comment about his Bird bike. Another point, don't judge a bike by the numbers on a spec sheet. You need to ride it to see what its really like. 😉

Check out the 2015 Commencal Meta Trail too. Good value now that they're selling direct and they look great. Not seen any proper tests though.

It's 27b and 120mm travel.

http://www.commencal-store.co.uk/PBSCCatalog.asp?ActionID=67174912&PBCATID=2353602&PBCATName=2015

Some weird specs on those Bird bikes.
As for the OP, I don't think you'd go far wrong with a Giant Trance. A mate has one and it's very good.

Some weird specs on those Bird bikes.

Weird How Wrecker?

Weird in the way that there's nothing to change once you get it home maybe?

120mm travel and a 69.5 head angle - is this a bit on the XC side these days?

It is, but a few years ago that was pretty standard trail geometry (e.g. Trance etc) and the trails haven't changed, which does suggest that a lot of what we are sold is just fashion.

Something slacker will feel more stable at high speed (e.g. descending), but be harder to keep on line during slow speed sections (e.g. climbing). Not better or worse, just different.

Bigger wheels roll over stuff better, but are slower to turn. They also feel more stable at high speed, but are harder to keep on line at slow speed. Again, not better or worse, just different.

More travel smooths out bumps, but is generally less efficient.

You get the picture. It's all just trade-offs and there are lots of combinations of wheelsize, travel and angles that can all achieve similar results in practice.

On the plus side pretty much any modern bike will be good and they are all a lot more versatile than we sometimes think. So, just pick the one that looks the best!

travel slacker bike, you'd be surprised how easy going it can be on the more mundane stuff if well executed - travel does not equal XC/singletrack capability.

"it’s stable, lively, communicative and incredibly fast." Just sayin'

most sensible comment on stw I a while IMHO

I have had 7 inch travel 26 er Yeti that on some climbs is still the fastest ascender I have owned, I made the switch to 29ers and especially the Rocky because I felt for me it was

travel slacker bike, you'd be surprised how easy going it can be on the more mundane stuff if well executed - travel does not equal XC/singletrack capability.

"it’s stable, lively, communicative and incredibly fast." Just sayin'

As always go and ride a few and then decide .

but I assure you it will be a 29er Rocky Mountain 8) 😆

😀

tbh, all this "long travel bikes don't go up hills" stuff is a bit ancient history these days, what with modern lightweight frames and components, decent geo, steeper seat post angles, and crucially modern damping etc.

Sure, a sub10kg race 29er hardtail is going be quicker in an actual XC race than a 13kg 160mm Enduro bike, but not by as much as you might think i suspect. In any case, i've always found the biggest difference is in the "engine room"...... 😉

In terms of do it all, a modern 130mm travel bike, with any wheel size will be perfect.

That Commencal could be promising. The Bird looks great too on paper - although in the looks dept. alongside the Canyon it perhaps takes 2nd place for me.

I can't seem to find a Transition Bandit 26 anywhere for sale on the Googles. Are they new or discontinued?

The Trance 27.5 as suggested is a great bike - I rode it for a day in NZ earlier this year and it was awesome. But in order to get some decent suspension you're at change of £2k.

I should probably add - whilst I don't hit doubles and DH runs, I am a fan of a decent drop or pinging off a kicker/trail feature. So maybe on reflection more than 120mm each end is needed after all...?

+1 to what roverpig has written.

Confidence in the bike can be a funny thing: what tracks fine for one person might not be right for another. Some bikes you just don't get on with. One person might have a long torso and short legs so suits a particular bike but for someone with a short torso and long legs that bike doesn't work. Manufacturers will create a frame based on statistical averages (this is the same for pretty much anything you wear) which is fine if you are a close fit to that statistical curve but if you aren't then it all becomes a bit of a minefield.

Unless you've loads of cash to be able to keep changing your bike, I think demo bikes/days are the way to go (I've no connection with any such scheme BTW) especially now that there are so many options: wheel sizes; suspension linkages; etc. If you buy from the same retailer then usually you get the demo fee knocked off so it hasn't cost you much if anything. I demoed a couple of bikes that on paper were virtually identical: top tubes and chainstays within 5mm of each other; head angles the same. Set up the contact points identically. One bike (that gets good reviews and even positive comments on here) was good but the other was brilliant.

Crucially I've masses of confidence in it, any failures to clean a bit of trail are down to me not the bike.

Weird How Wrecker?

It is a subjective question and you need to think what kind of rider you are and what kind of riding you will be doing.

If you take Glentress Red as an example because people are familiar with it. You will see people riding it on Enduro bikes with 6" travel through to rigid singlespeeds. The bike won't be the limiting factor on a trail centre.

Personally having ridden it on rigid singlespeeds, 100mm hardtails and a 5" full suss I would say something around the 120mm full suss mark is a good compromise in a 26" flavour. In my experience bigger wheels allow shorter travel.

These bikes can be light enough that you can get up the hills quickly but have enough suspension performance to not hold you back on the descents.

Go shorter if you are more XC biased and prefer longer rides and attacking the climbs as well as the descents. Go longer if it is all about pushing yourself on the way down.

I have riden a 140mm steel hardtail, rigid singlespeed, 100mm hardtail, 5" full suss and 120mm 29er around these place. All are fun but in different ways. 29er is the latest as I'm becoming more XC orientated and wanted a simple hardtail.

The Canyon bikes are nice, seen a few in the flesh.

The bike won't be the limiting factor on a trail centre.

Short travel 26 or 29er will cope most of your riding. My son's Giant Trance is too much bike for my style of riding, but he likes the jumps and DH. So I'd say Giant Anthem (and I ride a steel SS 26" HT and previously a rigid SS 29er).

I can't seem to find a Transition Bandit 26 anywhere for sale on the Googles. Are they new or discontinued?

The 26 is discontinued. Current Bandits are available in 650B and 29er versions.

OK, dealing with them one at a time - these are sample specs, you can pick pretty much what you like of course!....

From 2 to RS - the bars, stem, wheels, tyres, shock, forks all change. What else would we change? Its got the best BB, best cassette (within reason), best headset, reverb stealth, charge saddle... I could go on. We don't spec crud on the low end, so theres less to change on the high end.

XT is not as good as Zee braking wise. Zee costs more and works better. We run Hayes rotors because they are lighter and offer better modulation than the equivalent shimanos.

We used to run hope wheels - we dropped them after we got alot of issues. On the Aeris we also run a number of DT options and a carbon bird wheel too.

The RS gets the shock upgrade, carbon bars, much lighter/stronger wheels and carbon cranks on this spec, but of course you can change all those things anyway.... All our 1x bikes run NW. We offer chain devices because NW will drop if you ride hard enough, and the taco is useful for such a low BB. You can bin that off if you want of course, its your choice.

Dude, spec your bikes however you want!
I wasn't having a pop, just [i]to me[/i] the line up looks odd. I wouldn't take Zee brakes over XT and certainly wouldn't pay more for them. I suppose the proof will be in the pudding, see what your best sellers are and amend the range to suit. Whatever happens; good luck with it, it's an interesting looking bike.
What's the frame only cost? At the right price, I could see this doing very well indeed as a five alternative now their pricings gone "aspirational".

I'm in a pretty similar position to the OP - mostly ride XC locally in the South Downs, but with a (very mild) bit of air and dropping etc, and travel to Wales/Lakes for bigger stuff 2/3 times a year.

I've just upgraded from a Cotic Soul 26" which was as burly as I could get it (140mm Revs, huge tyres) to a Giant Trance 27.5 full suss. Obviously it's the best bike known to man because I just bought it, but the acid test was last week when I took it out on our regular Downs Sunday spin. I had a hangover, I hadn't ridden for two weeks and the bike's heavier, and I worried that i'd get dropped/beaten back by the climbs, or be fighting the bike all the time, and I wasn't. Plus the travel/increased wheel size made bumpy descents a heap of fun, and I know it's going to be a belter at BPW.

[i]Current ride is a On One 456C with 140mm. 67 I think the HA is, admittedly it's a bit silly up front and don't think I'd like a full suss with those figures, but is that what I need to look for?

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You've already the bike that will do anything.

FWIW I run a 456Ti with 150mm forks, perfect for everything from XC, Marathon events, trail centres and Enduro/near-DH stuff - luckily all within riding from my front door.

Full suss bikes are great fun but for most trail centres a hardtail is possibly more appropriate as you can pump the trail more easily without losing too much energy.

Is there a hardtail that's light-ish and slack, with ~130mm travel forks? I have a 456 SS which is great fun downhill but it's bloody heavy for a hard tail.

Full suss bikes are great fun but for most trail centres a hardtail is possibly more appropriate...

...unless your local trail centre is Cannock where the breaking bumps will shatter your spine on a hard tail 😀

I can't seem to find a Transition Bandit 26 anywhere for sale on the Googles. Are they new or discontinued?

The Trance 27.5 as suggested is a great bike - I rode it for a day in NZ earlier this year and it was awesome. But in order to get some decent suspension you're at change of £2k.

Trance would be a good bike for your needs. TBH there are so many options as what you are looking for is probably the biggest section of the market.

Yeah I'd like to keep it around 1.5k which is why the Canyon Nerve/Spectral & Bird is tempting.

I hear what people are saying with the 456C already being what I'm after, but I'd like to go full suss.

I might wait and check the Bird's out when they drop, and then maybe look for a Demo day of the Canyon Spectral. Perhaps a bit too much bike there than i'm after.

grum - define light. I've seen some of the carbon Whyte hardtails which are definitely light, almost road bike light, but they cost over £3000, something like a Solaris modestly specced is between 12.5kg and 13Kg and about a grand cheaper.

Have you tried a modern 29er?

I'm not pushing them particularly, but you might be surprised how they actually ride. Many of the cliches are not hugely relevant IME.

The 29er Spectral could be spot on for you.

I have ridden a small selection of 29ers and they're just not what tickles me. They ride fine, but just doesn't entertain me. No real reason I guess.

Interestingly, the Spectral comes with the 150mm forks spaced down to 140mm to match the rear. That could be a winner!

Fair enough, it's a mixture of personal preference and the terrain involved I think.

If I would want smaller wheels anywhere, I think it'd be on the tight, twisty southern woodland trails rather than the rockier northen stuff I ride now.

Just skimmed through but a full sus for trail centre red runs??????????????????????????????????????

Get yourself some 120mm forks for the 456C........................

Yes no thank you Rocky IV

^^ I think i caught a glimpse of that as it flew over my head 😀

For me personally it's all about the 650B 120mm full sus at the moment. This was a hoot at Afan and Bike Park Wales. It's off to Penmachno and Betws y Coed this weekend.

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actually an old SC blur 4x sounds ideal really would love a 29er like that

Don't worry about to much travel on the canyon; it's a light, efficient, stiff 150mm. For what it's worth my xc allround bike is a 180/170mm reign and I never think it's too slow/heavy on climbs.

For years I've run burly hardtails as do-it-all bikes (130mm BFe being the most recent iteration).

Have just switched to an Alpine 160 26. Am based in the east anglian flatlands but ride all over from tail centres to Lakes/Peaks/Wales natural stuff.

So far the Alpine is more capable everywhere I've ridden over the BFe. Actually climbs better (very slightly heavier but finds more grip), descends WAY better, and is pretty comparable on the twisty stuff in our local woods.

Might well look like overkill to a lot of folks, but I know that it will handle pretty much anything I'll ever be brave enough to ride.

I guess the moral (if there is one) is go for whatever you feel is right for you regardless of the numbers or any 'rules'.

As a couple of people above have alluded to, most trail centre reds are completely rideable on a capable hardtail, an xc focused full sus or an on trend #enduro bike. All three would climb the climbs and let you ride the descents

They all have different strengths and weaknesses but more importantly they will each FEEL different as they play to their strengths and therefore each will give a subtley different experience (& level of comfort) as a result.

I've got a 26" soul and a 650b bandit. Everything locally is totally rideable and fun on the soul but some places are a quicker climb and a bigger rush back down at higher speed on the bandit. Either is a totally valid choice it depends what mood I'm in.

Bottom line. There isn't a wrong choice. Buy somthing that gets you stoked to ride.

The Kili flyers look fun and there are done around on sale right now

You'll never get a single answer. My big full suss is overkill on paper for red routes but in practice, it's a great laugh on most. But so is my long travel hardtail. Really there's no one best answer, personal taste and style plays a huge part.

For the job you're talking about, the C456 would be pretty ideal IMO (I mostly use a Ragley Ti, same sort of thing) If full suss, people say short travel but I never really found that, there's so little drawback of getting alonger travel bike. Trek Remedy 29 for me I think.

The answer is a Giant Trance.

Now go buy one

Most reds are pretty smooth IMO and any bike will do. In fact sometimes suspension can make them a bit dull. I wouldn't go bigger than 120.

I would say Giant Anthem

Current ride is a On One 456C with 140mm.

I'd try this on a few bike adventures first and see how you get on. Many would argue you already have the UK standard.

Failing that, do some test rides of the bikes on your short list if possible. Many of the trail centres have demo days.

Camber Evo would be the only bike I would own if I lived in the UK again.

Camber Evo would be the only bike I would own if I lived in the UK again.

That might depend where in the UK you lived of course.

Personally I'd go for something with a standard HT2 BB and standard shock mounts.

There are so many bikes that would fit that bill. I've said on a different thread that you're just as well choosing bikes based upon subjective reasons like aesthetics, brand preference, budget etc, than spending hours pouring over geometry dimensions, wheel size pro's and con's etc. there is not really a wrong choice. it's difficult to pigeon hole bikes these days as the boarders between different bike types has blurred. You can get long travel slack angled burley bikes that can do XC well, and lighter, tighter short travel XC bikes that can take on bigger, knarlier terrain.

Also it makes a big difference if you intend to just ride these trails and get round, or looking for jumps or other technical stuff where longer travel and a burlier frame might be of benefit. I would say if the former go for a lighter, tighter traditional XC orientated bike, and if the latter a more All Mountain/Enduro orientated bike.

JCL - Member
Camber Evo would be the only bike I would own if I lived in the UK again.

Probably my next choice, or an anthem 29er - annoying that the SX is in the silly wheel size - or trance - ditto.

But still would love a carbon epic but £4k on a bike?!?

What's the current "UK Standard" for red route trail centre type stuff?
I'm not looking to do enduro/DH/black runs. Just something I can roll up with and be confident in the bike.

Been looking at the Canyon Nerve series for example
https://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3572

120mm travel and a 69.5 head angle - is this a bit on the XC side these days?

On a point of clarification

Isn't a red route at a trail center XC riding?

(I'm not pigeon holing the bike that you use to ride a red at trail center just checking on the words we use describe different types of rising)

Yep

Isn't a red route at a trail center XC riding?

The reds and double reds at FOD are a bit more than XC. When I was there I was the only one with an XC lid and not in proper body armour and had to think about some of the routes more than I would like - on my 120/100mm 26er turner flux and my basic skillset.

When I did the reds and blacks at CDB in 2010 I was fine as it was much less natural and rooty/droppy.

low travel fs is better than a hard tail as you can pump the g-outs more - like a nice pair of carving skis.

No, if it's not downhill it's xc. That's how old I am! 🙂

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Reds are harder than this? (to be honest this wasn't the hard bit just where I was stood)

I could pump my Hard tail better than my Fuel ex.

But I'm rubbish

Reds are harder than this?

Some are, from the looks of it. But then those guys look quite good at bikes. Most people buy outright XC bikes for tamer stuff, personally I'd not choose a racy bike for the average trailcentre- it'd be fast but not necessarily all that fun.

ceepers has some pretty reasonable logic there.

Im in a real good place with my mega TR (130R, 140F, 26", slackened to 66.5 HA massively low bb built light enough (29lb) and tough enough), i've no excuses for being slow on the way up or down, i've no excuse for not making it that long, steep climb just as i've no excuse for not riding full on DH tracks at a reasonable pace and hitting all the gaps either. I've also no excuse for not sprinting flat out on the flatter, undulating stuff either.

That is my interpretation for a bike that is an all round UK bike. Any more travel/weight, it climbs, but isn't a delight, removes nearly all opportunity of properly attacking flatter stuff. Much less travel and weight, things start to break on the proper DH stuff and robs a bit of confidence.

If you've bags of money, look at a santa cruz 5010, little less money, a mega TR or a whyte T130.

A 29er gives you more efficiency, does feel a little different, can be more flexy if you're pushing it, does feel a little higher (comfy). The grip you get with a 29er means you can run slicker tyres and get even more rolling efficiency whilst having the same grip, thats the biggest advantage to me by far, something like a fuel ex 29 or a whyte T129 would be ideal.

I did the whole pedaling around a 150mm+ bike, screw that for a laugh ever again, just robbed too much of the fun too much of the time. Also bear in mind 150mm+ bikes are really meant to be DH bikes you can put up with pedalling back to the top of a hill, despite what 99% of people use them for.

Must admit I've been in the camp for a do it aller. Currently have two bikes in the fold, my YT Tues and my Cotic BFe. The Tues handles DH days and the BFe does anything else.

I've been thinking of getting an Enduro 29 for the everything factor, but then I think about how monster trucky and floaty the DH bike is. With 29er wheels and 160mm travel I don't believe it'll feel any less plush...

Essentially all I can think of is get yourself a demo day at a local spot and see how it goes on a few different bikes. I want something more capable than my BFe but the lesser travel bikes they're churning out at the moment look way too flimsy for what I want it for!

Must admit I've been in the camp for a do it aller. Currently have two bikes in the fold, my YT Tues and my Cotic BFe. The Tues handles DH days and the BFe does anything else.

I've been thinking of getting an Enduro 29 for the everything factor, but then I think about how monster trucky and floaty the DH bike is. With 29er wheels and 160mm travel I don't believe it'll feel any less plush...

Essentially all I can think of is get yourself a demo day at a local spot and see how it goes on a few different bikes. I want something more capable than my BFe but the lesser travel bikes they're churning out at the moment look way too flimsy for what I want it for!

Probably my next choice

Crikey, wrecker that's categorical. I demoed the evo last year and liked it. Loved the Trance 29er too but fed up that this went 27.5

Thm, I thought it a poor bike in all categories. 650 is just another wheelsize. It ain't going anywhere and in terms of industry enforcement is no worse than 29.

It is all about...
The angles
The quality of the suspension

Had 100MM travel full suss operating better than 160mm rear travel

What type of riding do you do wrecker?

Having tested 26 v 29 my mind is/was made up. I have no interest in re-opening wheel sizes again.