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Remember the halcyon days of receiving a tyre patch in a puncture kit along with tube patches ?
Well, now tubeless is very common it seems I cannot buy such a patch !
I have rubber strips for tubeless holes, but my tyre has an 18mm slash in it. Googling “tyre patches” just brings up TUBE patches. Worse still is that no one seems to recognise the difference between a tube and a tyre, even bike specialists.
Park do an emergency tyre patch, but recommend a permanent repair once home. Tube patches are not strong enough, they bulge out through the tear.
Going a bit Victor Meldrew / Alf Garnett on this one, but really! The cycle industry shoots itself in the foot sometimes. 60 quid tyres are not disposable items even if we had limitless resources / money.
Rant over. Anyone know where I can buy tyre patches? Chain Reaction and Halfords seem not to know what they are.


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 1:35 pm
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Tip Top
https://www.freewheel.co.uk/rema-tip-top-mtb-tubeless-repair-kit-po20sn
The main thing is making sure you use the "special cement" (blue in colour) with the patch.
You can use normal "tube" patches for small holes when using the special cement. (you can just get a small tube of it as well)

Also,
Velox Tubeless Repair Kit


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 2:08 pm
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I use car/motorcycle mushroom/plug patches. Plentiful on eBay and work with normal vulcanising solution.


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 2:33 pm
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Cheers both !


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 2:57 pm
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I’ve sewed tyre slashes back together before using dental floss, then patched with a normal tube patch. Worked every time


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 7:21 pm
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The tyre is goosed! I use a toothpaste tube as a get me home for big holes. The tyre then goes in the bin.


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 7:38 pm
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Likewise, motorbike mushroom plugs. Totally permanent, they leave the tyre stronger than it was before the flat, so they can repair fairly big holes. Though an 18mm slash is a pretty big ask to be fair, it's not so much the size of the hole, it's that it'll want to peel open.


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 8:58 pm
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Out of interest how do you fit the mushroom plugs? A quick check on YouTube suggests they need a specific applicator gun


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 9:09 pm
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Mushroom patches are applied by putting fast acting vulcanisibg agent(really helps to get a seal...)and place it through the hole or tear when the agents tacky pull the neck through..and press the inside down from inside the tyre and presto tear sealed then cut the stem off and glue down the torn strip and it's safe and secure ...but 18mm=1.8cm...that's one big cut..my answer would be tyres goosed mate..I've fixed some big tyre damage on even cars( sealed up a blown out tyre using the above methods ..to get it to sit on its wheels againn) and I would say just take it on the chin..and try searching tyre boot as opposed to tyre patch..

Hope that helps..


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 10:25 pm
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For an 18mm cut I'd superglue it together then get a strip (roll) of cut to size tube patches and use reba cement (as above) to glue the patch.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Weldtite-155x95mm-Patch-Strip/dp/B0063HII44/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=weldtite+patch+strip&qid=1566855331&s=gateway&sr=8-3


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 10:31 pm
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Ignore me, should read the OP properly...


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 11:06 pm
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^^ Yeah,ive got some of those Park Tool Boots but not had to use one yet.

Anyone had any experience of them "in the field"?


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 11:12 pm
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Ricb ...I think they're talking about a repair after removing the tyre and putting the mushroom through from the inside . If you want to insert a mushroom from the outside and avoid breaking the tubeless seal I presume the only way is with a special tool like the "dynaplug" kit and even then I unagine it won't work if you're using sealant.I'm no expert though .


 
Posted : 26/08/2019 11:18 pm
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Doddy shows you how.


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 7:42 am
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To be honest, I've used tube patches on tyres, just the peel and stick kind with glue. Plenty of sealant, job done.

Depends on the hole though.

I've also used a Velox tubeless repair kit which has patches and glue. They didn't seem any different to tube patches really, just a tube kit might not always have the larger sizes.


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 8:51 am
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OP, are you wanting to effect a trailside repair or resurrect the tyre once you get home? Whichever you mean it will take time to do and it's likely that you'll need to unseat the tyre.

Trailside I'd sew the cut to prevent it spreading, then apply whatever patches required or fit an inner tube. Then just take it steady until you get home or back to the car. At home the fix would depend on where the cut was on the tyre - too close to the bead and the tyre is basically scrap - but at least you can take your time and do things properly.


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 9:30 am
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+ 1 for mushroom car ones off ebay, work an absolute treat when I've used them, vulcanising glue, 5 min job, sealed for life of tye


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 9:35 am
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Theres several means...know someone who abused there tubed tyres and was forever getting too many pinhole punctures to fix ..ended up putting the bald 23mm with the bead but off inside and presto problem solved ..inflate 1 a month(still gets down to 60psi though...but he seems incapable of doing it somehow.. ) ..dealt plenty with timeless on cars and it's so conditional...where the cut is,how deep,how long,and would glue or vulcanising agent even work on that part..

Part tool boots work wonders ..listed as emergency but will often outlive the tyre..use one to patch up a large cut from a stanley knife blade portion when it got through the casing..worked until the tyre pulled itself off the rim while riding and wrecked the tyre
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Posted : 27/08/2019 12:41 pm
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Someone gave me a roll of JML Navy Seal repair tape - ideal for repairing a tyre. Has a thick layer or really sticky adhesive that will even stick to wet surfaces, plus a thick, flexible film.


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 1:16 pm
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@madmechanist - could you rewrite that in English please? It's like a stream of unconscious from a crackhead!


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 1:34 pm
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1-saved someone's 23mm with an old 23mm but was using umpteen boots etc to fix the tyre each time from pinhole punctures . ..
2-I work at a garage and have dealt with pretty large holes in tube less car tyres...almost always got them sealed..with enough glue and patches..
3-a park tool boot patched up a nasty cut down the middle of one of my marathon plus tyres held for the life of the tyre...even though its supposedly emergency only..
4-correct my ramblings dont always make sense but there is just my usual train of though(I am asd spectrum,sensory issues,depression,slight paranoid tendencies,anxiety and autistic..so a bit of a biological smackhead if you pardon the pun


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 6:16 pm
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I'm sure a Lezyne patch kit I had also included tyre patches. Might be worth checking if they still do.


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 7:09 pm
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@mrtricky

You are correct they do include a small tyre boot not big enough for that..


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 9:03 pm
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@madmechanist – could you rewrite that in English please? It’s like a stream of unconscious from a crackhead!

That made me lol.😂😁


 
Posted : 27/08/2019 11:55 pm
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@poopscoop
..welcome to my world ..nothing makes any sense to anyone else but make perfect sense to me...

And I'm glad it made you laugh.. always nice to make someones day a bit better...


 
Posted : 28/08/2019 7:06 am
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Thanks for all the info - I have several nearly new road tyres that have holes in them from flints & I tried to find patches for tyres too - without success. I remember the old kits that used to have a piece of fabric which I believe was for patching tyres. I’ve tried tube patches but the inner tube just bulges up through the hole. I run tubeless on my MTB & have used anchovies with success & have the Lezyne tyre boot - as an emergency for road tyres but doesn’t seem good enough as a permanent repair. I will try the above.


 
Posted : 28/08/2019 5:33 pm
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@Johnhighfields...try whacking a parktool boot in there ...never seems to fail...they are like rhino skin...


 
Posted : 29/08/2019 6:58 pm

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