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Common trait on STW = believing that the way that they like to do things is some kind of universal example of best practise that everyone else should copy, otherwise they are dicks.
Of course! Being convinced that yours is the one and only best way to approach ANY subject is one of the differences between STW users and people who post on line.
LOL at thepurist, too true.
Do you have rim brakes?
I don't, but find it far easier right way up, that's supported by everyone who works with bikes!
My mate told me off for turning his bike over to take the wheels off so I could put them in the car. I thought he was joking at first but he took the bike off me and but the bars on some grass. Apparently he didn't want to scratch his new XTR leavers. I'm not fussed about turning mine over a little bit of a scratch is no bother to me
Too bloody right, I'd be pissed off! I expect a lot of people would be annoyed if I wandered over to their car and started kicking the door in!
[i]Bike right way up it just slots straight in.[/i]
No.
It.
*******.
Doesn't.
Too bloody right, I'd be pissed off! I expect a lot of people would be annoyed if I wandered over to their car and started kicking the door in!
It's a mountain bike FFS! If you ever did any actual mountain biking rather than just riding round in circles in a flat, muddy field then your bike would have all sorts of scuffs, scrapes and dings on it.
that's supported by everyone who works with bikes
Do I not count because I only work on bikes?
Whenever I have tried to put the wheel on with the bike the right way up, and not in a stand, it has been a bloody nightmare you need 3 hands and everything flops around. With the bike in a stand its a different story the bike is stable and yo can concentrate on holding the mech out of the way and lining up the disc. I don't tend to carry a stand when riding my bike or when in trail centre car parks.
If you ever did any actual mountain biking rather than just riding round in circles in a flat, muddy field then your bike would have all sorts of scuffs, scrapes and dings on it.
Why would it? I forget the last time I saw Steve Peat's bike covered in "scuffs, scrapes and dings", nor Sam Hill's, nor Greg Minaar's. They probably do more 'proper' mountain biking than you.
I don't do much riding round muddy fields either 🙄
Happy with the use my bike gets, just like to look after it, don't see an issue with that. The car analogy stands. Can I please come and kick your door in?
Ah - you've done some sort of analysis/poll then? I don't recall being asked my opinion.njee20 - Member
> Do you have rim brakes?
I don't, but find it far easier right way up, that's supported by [b]everyone[/b] who works with bikes!
In the women's XC at Houffalize last week one of the riders jammed her chain quite a way from the pit. Instead of turning the bike upside down, seeing what was wrong and getting a decent go at it, she repeatedly tried to free it by holding the bike upright with one hand whilst pulling ineffectually at the chain with the other. Eventually she gave up and ran 1/3 of a lap to the pit.
Chains can get very jammed in the BB, of course but I suspect she'd have got it out if she'd only turned the bike over...
My mate has issues with his XTR shifters/brakes, which is fine at that price (not that my cheaper versions touch the ground when I flip the bike).
Why would it? I forget the last time I saw Steve Peat's bike covered in "scuffs, scrapes and dings", nor Sam Hill's, nor Greg Minaar's. They probably do more 'proper' mountain biking than you.
Thats because they have men paid to take care of their bikes and get free replacement parts fitted often.
Injee20 - that's because when something of theirs gets scuffed or dinged their sponsors give them a new one. Do you get the same?
If you want to keep your mountain bike pristine that's up to you, just don't be so precious about it, and dont sneer at other people for turning their bikes upside down. Honestly, this place is like a parody of itself at times.
Do you get the same?
I've already said that I replace my grips if they get ripped, and I would my saddle too. Only ripped a couple of SLRs that I can recall, but I replaced them.
I'm not sneering at folk not caring about their bikes (that only seems to work the other way), I'm saying that I genuinely don't understand folk finding it easier, with the irksome byproduct (for me) that it makes damage to the bike more likely. YMMV!
Now... can I please come and kick your car door in?
Way to knacker your grips/GPS/stem/lockout lever!
GPS- Nope - Have a folding GPS printed on some paper in my camelbak
Stem - Riser Bars so no worries there.
Lockout - Nope, that's on the fork.
So just grips then... and they're already covered in crap.
Wheels deffo go in a lot easier with the bike upside down.
Your car analogy is just bollocks. It's more like someone getting all precious over tiny scratches on a rally car.
I'm not sneering at folk not caring about their bikes (that only seems to work the other way), I'm saying that I genuinely don't understand folk finding it easier, with the irksome byproduct (for me) that it makes damage to the bike more likely. YMMV!
Yeah you are - all thIs 'everyone who works in the bike industry knows I'm right' stuff is clearly implying anyone who disagrees is stupid. And I care plenty about my bike, just not about inconsequential cosmetic damage.
It's a mountain bike FFS! If you ever did any actual mountain biking rather than just [s]riding round in circles[/s] posting on the internet pretending you ride bikes
FTFY
Your car analogy is just bollocks
Why? It's about wanting to keep things nice. What that thing is is fairly irrelevant. Enough people ask about helitape and what not that I'm not on my own there!
There is unavoidable damage (such as stone chips on a car, and some paint damage to a bike from crashing etc) which are annoying, but to compound that without caring I just don't really get. That's like me kicking your door in. But if you prefer, I'll just come and take a heavy blunt instrument to your frame, sounds satisfying!
The last time I fixed a flat (snakebite on the CX bike), just laid it on its side.
When getting bikes and stuff out of the car, when riding away from home, they normally get stood upside down, though. Mainly so there's not a load of bikes, wheels, camelbaks, track pump, etc. scattered all round the car taking up 2 more bays and half the lane.
Njeee...in a bike shop, working on someone elses bike, it would be frowned upon to turn a customers bike upside down, I agree.
Out on the trail, with your own bike, yes I do! I can put a wheel in either way up, but when you are trying to thread your disc in between the pads/trying to keep a singlespeed/alfine chain on both cogs when everything is covered in mud, it is much easier to be working from above. My lockons are years old (and they are a revelation over normal grips, especially when you want to reuse the grips that you hairsprayed on 18 months ago) My bikes are there to be used. They get stacked on each other in the car with the only nod towards aesthetics being a car mat thrown between them if anything important looking is rubbing on something spiky.
I did once get moaned at after putting my bike on someones car roof rack; I wiped a little dried mud off the frame where the clamp would hold my frame, it didn't even cross my mind that a car would be so precious that a sprinkling of dirt would be a problem!
I scrub my tyres when I clean my bike. I also store it upside down.
But then it does live in the house so no point having a clean bike & muddy tyres and it keeps my fork seals lubed too.
100! Wow, reckon this is my most 'popular' thread ever!
Njeee...in a bike shop, working on someone elses bike, it would be frowned upon to turn a customers bike upside down, I agree.
And why is that? Altogether now:
Because you're more likely to damage it.
Of course I turn the bike over - makes fitting the wheels so much easier.
I thought that everyone who ticked the upside down button was taking the P***. But you were serious! Jezzz, what sort muppet would do that.
Its like saying "can one of you girls help me (flutter flutter) all the air has gone out the wheel thing at the front!"
njee20 - quick you'd best ring Fox and inform of them of how dangerous their recommendation to store bikes upside down is. There could be a hefty class action lawsuit coming their way!
Huh, when did I suggest it dangerous to store your bike upside down? Just said turning it upside down on the trail was more likely to do damage whilst (IMO) making it harder to put the wheels in.
upside down
advantages outweigh the disadvantages
one guy i ride with gets really precious about his shifters/brakes/grips/saddle which is fine, he doesnt get any help when he has a puncture.
Much easeier to put the wheels in with the bike upside down - simply no coparison
Much easeier to put the wheels in with the bike upside down - simply no coparison
Only there is, because, IMO, it's significantly faster and easier to do it the right way up. As said previously to say there's no comparison is just retarded. Again, you'll not see a quicker wheelchange than a well performed pro-tour road rider, they don't turn the bike upside down!
he doesnt get any help when he has a puncture.
Does he need it!? Does someone need to hold his hand when he crosses the road as well!? 🙄
TJ - remember the aeroplane/conveyor belt threads where someone takes a stupid and obviously wrong contrary position just to prolong the argument? That's the role that njee20 is playing in this one.
So - the bike is on a conveyor belt is it?
*confuzzled*
TJ - remember the aeroplane/conveyor belt threads where some Non Cyclist takes a stupid and obviously wrong contrary position just to prolong the argument?
Pulling a rear wheel off and laying your bike down on the mech/hanger/chain and big ring on the trail while you fix a puncture is a great idea.
Taking the time to turn your bike upside down, risking a very minor scratch to your grip lock rings if you have them (nothing else as you have set your bars up to turn your bike over) and allowing the lubricating oil in your forks a chance at getting past the upper bushing on a forced break is a terrible idea...
I can understand competition racers trying to be fast as possible.
I have fixed loads of punctures for people in our cycle group - all upside down. If anybody gets grumpy (they havent yet) thats fine, but DIYFS!!
blimey.
either way, depending on I don't know what. more likely to be "right" way up, but I'm sure there are times when I'd flip the bike, like if I'm lubing the chain as well.
But I'm not so surprised about anyone doing one or the other that I'd get all uppity about it. People who do are dicks.
Well put, Grum.
grum - Member
Common trait on STW = believing that the way that the way you like to do things is some kind of universal example of best practise that everyone else should copy, otherwise they are dicks
is this still actually happening?
And good point mr plow.
Unless you've got a helper who's going to hold your bike in the air while you're fixing the puncture, you're going to be laying the bike down, probably touching the chain in the dirt at some point, and certainly a pedal, bar plug, skewer crank arm, mech.
Pick what you don't mind being scuffed.
Yes alex222. It is?
Are you saying you don't agree with people arguing for hundreds of posts about how to fix a puncture?
Hmmm?
I always used to turn upside down, but now I've seen this
TandemJeremy - Member
Of course I turn the bike over...
I'll be a 'right way upper' next time 😉
if I ever see you njee12 (or any other uptight condescending anally retentive person* who I suspect might be you) I'm going to throw mud at your bike and laugh as you sob into your marigolds that you've put on so your gloves don't get wet when you sob into them
*ooooh get her
I think the previous owner of my "very good condition" XT shifters used to put their bike upside down in mud. When I got them they were full of mud and grit 👿
Pulling a rear wheel off and laying your bike down on the mech/hanger/chain and big ring on the trail while you fix a puncture is a great idea.
Bikes have 2 sides you know?
I lay it on pedal and bar end plug, both of which get scuffed fairly easily anyway, but I don't look at either whilst riding, unlike my reservoir covers!
if I ever see you njee12 (or any other uptight condescending anally retentive person* who I suspect might be you) I'm going to throw mud at your bike
Get my username right if you're going to come up with 'hilarious' comments! Mud isn't a problem, that washes off, have no issues getting my bike dirty and using it properly, but for the fiftieth time I see no point in doing unnecessary damage to the most expensive thing I own! If you don't care that's fine!
If I ever meet you beaks, I'll throw rocks at your frame, and laugh at the immense satisfaction of destroying someone else's property, and you'll be like a pig in shit anyway as you're not fussed, so everyone wins, that's a far better situation should we ever meet! 🙂
TJ - remember the aeroplane/conveyor belt threads where someone takes a stupid and obviously wrong contrary position just to prolong the argument? That's the role that njee20 is playing in this one.
Nothing like that (it would by the way, assume we're all seeing sense on that finally?), because this is quantifiable. No one has yet answered that if it's quicker/easier to turn it upside down why don't we see professional riders and bike shop staff doing that?
I've always put my bike upside down to put wheels on/lube chain/change cranks, pedals & bb. Dunno why you wouldn't, it's much more convenient. Are you really that bothered about scuffs on your grips and saddle, on a bike that's meant to be ridden down mountains?
Tend to do it at home for cleaning it and what not, grass there though innit!
FTFYnjee20 - Member
why don't [s]we[/s] I see professional riders and bike shop staff doing that?
FWIW - I've seen lots of "bike shop staff" do exactly that.
And the aeroplane/conveyor belt thing is also "quantifiable". That's why those who argue that it will still take off are playing the devils advocate thing - trying to suck in the hard-of-thinking (like you are here - but well done it looks like you've outed a few).
Haha! Oh god, this is now going to become an aeroplane/conveyor belt thread! Of course it would take off, the wheels aren't powered!
For once in this thread I agree with njee. The plane would take off. I suppose it wouldn't if it were upside down having a wheel changed.
Oh and Paul, you are a bit spesh arnt you.
Change Tyres/punctures, oil chain & store mine upside down. I have taken those stupid dial things of the Shimano shifter though.
Sorry but for me putting a wheel in is WAY easier when the bike is upright.
I've done it that way for decades though, so it's probably a matter of training.
I couldn't cope with the shame of doing it the upside down way...
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druidh - Member
That's why those who argue that it will still take off are playing the devils advocate thing - trying to suck in the hard-of-thinking (like you are here - but well done it looks like you've outed a few).
You are kidding right?
oh dear. There's a picture of me in the latest mag with my bike upside down IN AN ABRASIVE QUARRY while I fix a puncture.
like I give a shite. FFS
terrahawk - that's because you are just someone who rides a bike and not a cyclist.
apparently.
All the people who are bothered about this need to go out and talk to some girls* and try and have sex with them.
*or boys if you are breaking in cowboy boots 😉 .
ahhh. Gotcha.
There'll be religions built around which way up a bike should be to have its wheels fitted in a thousand years time.
This thread will be seen as the beginning of the schism between the two ways.
if I ever meet you beaks, I'll throw rocks at your frame
you'll probably improve it.
Let me explain it for you simple folk, who don't seem to understand the principle of gravity.
Assuming no stand, out on the trail.
Bike upside down = doesn't move, supported by bars and seat. Slot in wheel with hand. viola!
Bike right way up = moves about and needs supporting as one wheel is out of dropouts. Hold bike with one hand and fanny about trying to slot wheel into dropouts with other hand.
I lay it on pedal and bar end plug, both of which get scuffed fairly easily anyway, but I don't look at either whilst riding, unlike my reservoir covers!
So you sacrifice those poor components so you can keep your grips in pristine condition? You animal!
I must admit I'll aim for a patch of grass if there is one. No point in scratching something if you can avoid it.
but the main thing is to get it sorted and get moving again, surely?
Just be careful and you won't cause any damage.
LOLs at the "my way is best" loons - on both sides.
It's what you are used to that seems best to you. Anytime I have to remove/refit a wheel in an upside down bike it takes me a while. I can do either on an upright one way more quickly - and I'd wager quicker than anyone who has to put the bike upside down.
It is a niche/snobbery mark of mechanics AFAIK. In my last one, if a punter came in and started to put his bike upside down, we'd all drop tools and do a slo-mo "whoa....." 😀
Happy days 😎
Is this thread for a bet?
Let me explain it for you simple folk, who don't seem to understand the principle of gravity.Assuming no stand, out on the trail.
Bike upside down = doesn't move, supported by bars and seat. Slot in wheel with hand. viola!
Bike right way up = moves about and needs supporting as one wheel is out of dropouts. Hold bike with one hand and fanny about trying to slot wheel into dropouts with other hand.
But *people who work in bike shops* do it differently! Argh I'm so confused now
People who work in bike shops are ninjas with 3 arms. everyone knows that.
Only in the bike shops that can't afford carpet.randomjeremy - Member
But *people who work in bike shops* do it differently! Argh I'm so confused now
But *people who work in bike shops* do it differently! Argh I'm so confused now
Mechanics do it in a stand, meaning you don't have to fanny about holding the bike while trying to slot the wheel in with the other hand.
What we are talking about is out on the trail. Turn the bike over and you don't have to hold it as it stays there. As if by magic!!
But *people who work in bike shops* do it differently! Argh I'm so confused now
Don't forget pro bike tour riders.
cynical - so its mainly about snobby oneupmanship, thought so.
grum - it has to be quicker though, once you are used to it. No need to turn bike upside down.
And I certainly don't take it that seriously.
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Bike right way up = moves about and needs supporting as one wheel is out of dropouts. Hold bike with one hand and fanny about trying to slot wheel into dropouts with other hand.
Bike right way up - hold it by wither saddle or bars, drop the fork end/dropout onto the wheel, shoogle a bit if nec, tighter/clamp, done.
Resting an unwheeled bike upright is no issue either, weight on mech or fork ends, leant against whatever, or on its side. No need for any damage.
always turned it upside down to fix a puncture - always have, always will and never had a problem.
Njee - you sound like a right ponce btw
If I turn my bike upside down I scratch/brake the computer/lights. So I don't. I have my mechanic fix it for me.
Dave you also sound like a right ponce
He would probably turn the bike upside down.I have my mechanic fix it for me.
grum - it has to be quicker though, once you are used to it. No need to turn bike upside down.
Yeah I guess it might shave a few ms off. Doesn't really matter unless you're racing though, and don't most racers run tubeless anyway.
Njee - you sound like a right ponce btw
Aaw, thanks!
Cynic-al +1
Always upside down for me. If I'm on the trail i always find some grass to lay it on so I don't scratch the shifters/brakes etc and if at car I have a sheet i lay under the bars to protect them. It's so easy this way I can't see the point of doing it any other way
5 pages ffs
Bike right way up - hold it by wither saddle or bars, drop the fork end/dropout onto the wheel, shoogle a bit if nec, tighter/clamp, done.
Even with the bolt through thing like on my Fox forks?
It is truly amazing, I didn't realise that bike snobbery/one upmanship could extend to how you change a puncture. Incredible.
grum - Member
Even with the bolt through thing like on my Fox forks?
Works for me...road bike, disc QR fork, 20mm fork too.
I think it all comes from wrenching and using stands - never working on an upside down bike.
Why you guys getting so many punctures anyway? Maybe if you guys reduced your pie intake, rode smoother, picked better lines and used appropriate pressures you wouldn't need to remove your wheel at all.
Deliberate troll cause this thread is silly.
This thread rocks.
Right way up, upside down, whatever floats your boat.
But being rude or looking down on people who do it the other way; incredibly sad.
I'm an upsidedowner fwiw...
It's so crap I might even upload a video...
I have been turning my bikes upside down to fix punctures/service them since I got my first bike when I was 11 (which is a LONG time ago). I can get a wheel into a road bike with it the 'right' way up if I have to, but trying to put in wheels with disc brakes on that way is a step too far for me, so upside down just makes sense. I have put a few marks on saddles and grips but, if I was really worried about damaging anything (say on my expensive road bike) I'd just put my gloves under those bits I wanted to protect while I fixed my bike.
Works for me...road bike, disc QR fork, 20mm fork too.
I can sort of see it being easy with a standard QR where the dropouts can just drop onto the wheel, but with Maxle or the Fox version you'd be having to balance the bike/wheel in exactly the right place while trying to fit in the axle.
Just seems to be making life difficult for yourself for no reason (apart from proving what a great mechanic you are, or being a tart about your bike), but each to their own.
And 'weight on mech'? Is that really a good idea?