[Closed] Trance, with a few mods to show what can be done.

No pedals either.

No pedals either

Yup, they add pounds to a bike, I've heard somewhere.

Sorry forgot to add it's also got carbon bars..
So add some pedals 380grams..and £5999 later you've been ripped off.
Clearly carbon adds weight to a bike 😀

If you're pushing 95kgs whether your bike weighs 13kgs or more like 14.5kgs will make stuff all difference.

Nice bike though

Yup, they add pounds to a bike, I've heard somewhere.

Best part of a lb though, which puts that closer to 28lbs.

Also worth bearing in mind is it's a trail bike I've effectively made slacker and more burly...if this was a Reign I was claiming 26lbs for then yes I'd expect to be laughed off the forum!

The thread was a handy helper for Trance owners who maybe think they need something 'more' (Reign) when in fact you can fit long forks, slacken out the HA and change the rear travel to almost 160mm with a few subtle cheap mods....hey presto you've just built the long travel trail bike you wanted, it still pedals well and descends like a demon to boot. Win/win.

Except if you ride it like a 160mm, 65 degree head angled bike should be - the frame will last all of one season of racing - perhaps not even that.

I could get my alu Reign down to about 27lb - but that would defeat the point of the bike, carbon saddle, carbon bars, carbon cranks, carbon rims (or Crests), CX-Rays, DT Swiss 240 hubs, crappy non piggyback shock, XTR race brakes, 300 g pedals - I think I worked out I could do a total of 4.5lbs of weight shaving if I really really wanted to. But then it would be a noodly POS with a spikey rear shock.

Best part of a lb though, which puts that closer to 28lbs.

Op was saying he could shave pound[b]s[/b] off by changing Nano's for plastic ones....

I know, that's why I mentioned it having no pedals.

Seems bizarre the OPs scales make the bike weigh so little, but pedals weigh so much.

Having just gone from El Plastique to Nano X pedals, the difference is 100g.

Suggest you get your scales checked... Nanos add 3lb over el plastico 😀
I know on paper nanos weigh 440g, it's just a weird thing that happens when you attach them to a bike.

http://flowmountainbike.com/features/bike-check-josh-carlsons-giant-reign-advanced/

“No carbon wheels for me, for security sake, they need to last all weekend. I’ve got carbon wheels on my road bike because Colin doesn’t know. He’d take them from me if he found out.”

Yes it did make me chuckle especially after hearing someone who gets them for free running out of sets racing down here.

If it was a plastic bike I'd be skeptical too....but it's metal with massive welds, it'll be doing sterling service long after I've moved onto other bikes.

I'll do an offer, I'm at the Cwmcarrn Enduro in March, if anyone wants to cast an eye over the bike and even use their own scales I'm open to that?

Shouldn't be too difficult to spot me, there can't be that many X-fusion suspended Trances around.

I've seen a lot more cracked or outright bent alu mainframes than I have seen carbon.

I've seen someone bend an aluminium Giant Glory so much that it probably had a 45 degree head angle. 😀

No takers?.....full of hot air and piss this forum.

😆

Not full of helium like your bike then.

I'm sure the shop will weigh it for you...
I've just done the bathroom scales job on the Nomad I've just built
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Float 36
Reverb
Flow EX Wheels on Hope
Hope Floating Rotors and M4 Up front XT on the back, Alu bars
GX 1x11 and Standard (not even Ti SDG) and Mallet DH pedals

It's 23lb!!
Only joking it's 33lb
So you got to 28lb
Thats the Dropper, Wheels, Carbon Bar pedals anything else I missed?

I reckon that covers it, I intentionally went with 34mm stanchion trail forks instead of Fox-36s, I've negated a dropper on all but by most XC type rides, alloy bars?....no thanks. Floating rotors and Hope four piston brakes are always going to outweigh a set of XTs....your point being you've built a heavy bike, well done you.

I know but if I could borrow your luggage scales it would be 22lb 😉

.your point being you've built a heavy bike, well done you.

Anyway I'm off to take it away for a weekend of smashing steep fun runs off a shuttle, might lighten is a bit for EWS but not much.

For balance I have th same frame running carbon wheels,revs and xt 1x11' its set up tubeless with nobby nic evos. It does have a dropper though and no carbon bars.

Weighs a tad over 28lbs with pedals. Cant see how yours is 2lb lighter to be honest.

Nice build though..whats the ha like with a 160 fork?

Yellow bikes are always heavier. All the ones we've had always felt that way. The 2017 Enduro in the garage feels heavier than the 2016 that's at the side of it so it must be the colour. Everyone knows that black ones are the lightest

Good luck with the EWS 😀

HA is 66 degrees with a 160mm fork.

Can we put the 26lb thing to bed now, I cocked up....when I did my combined weight with bike on scales and then subtracted my bodyweight I got 28lb which is more realistic.

Floating rotors and Hope four piston brakes are always going to outweigh a set of XTs

Tech 3 E4's that my old man had were actually lighter than SLX's! There isn't much between Xts and SLX brakes.

This is a 2012 Tech M4, it makes the XT seem weightless but it works a treat still for a lot more front end control.

Does it have braided hoses? Get rid of those and you'll save yourself circa 40-50g each end.

ah yes must do that, I'll be closing in on 21lb next 🙂

😛

I say it, because I've always had a thing for Hope V series brakes - I've been eyeing a set of V4s and worked out that they really aren't that bad of a weight without the braided hose. I'm actually a bit confused as to why Hope insist on selling what could be an even more popular downhill brake and a competitive enduro brake, if they just got rid of the bloody braided hose.

Again, I'm at the Cwmcarrn Enduro next month, BPW on the 9th and FoD on the 1st March.....forum members are welcome to cast their eye over it and weigh it themselves.
Can't say fairer than that.

Only if I can cast my eye over some hookers and snort some blow, whilst we're doing some errrr weighing.

Again, I'm at the Cwmcarrn Enduro next month, BPW on the 9th and FoD on the 1st March.....forum members are welcome to cast their eye over it and weigh it themselves.
Can't say fairer than that.

Also, is this like the STW equivalent of "Come at me, brah"?

Haha, sadly those days are behind me!

Can we put the 28lb thing to bed now, I cocked up....when I did my combined weight with bike on scales and then subtracted my bodyweight, then actually got some proper scales I got 30lb which is more realistic.

FTFY

1) santa cruz ain't a boutique bike brand, haven't been one for years, they're just expensive

2) why wouldn't a giant frame weigh less? they are better at manufacturing, materials and have more money for RnD.

2) why wouldn't a giant frame weigh less? they are better at manufacturing, materials and have more money for RnD.

Bingo.

I weighed all my bikes while I was at it and now I don't feel so bad..
Orange 5 31.4lb
Canyon dude 31lb
Anthem 26.8lb OK this should be lighter as it has 26" wheels. So thats less rubber and less rim and shorter fork legs.. 😉

But then I reckon my scales are wrong as canyon quote 29.26lb

2) why wouldn't a giant frame weigh less? they are better at manufacturing, materials and have more money for RnD.

Yup. Giant have always struck me as the Repsol Honda of the MTB world, my aluminium reign seems as burly as any other bike it is category. Yet the damn thing weighs no more than many carbon frames.

Canyon probably quote that for a small without pedals

Nope that's for a medium...
Without pedals and included reflectors.

Anyhow let's all play this..
And submit out scores..
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/quiz-can-you-correctly-guess-the-weight-of-these-bikes-45864/

Deviant make your initial guess and add 2lbs 😀

deviant - Member

My other hobby is weightlifting

Oh, the irony!

and in reality for me these are the only scales that matter
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Pedals and rotors in the main bag this trip...

matt_outandabout - Member
I'm still trying to work out if aphex_2k lives in a shipping container.

Nope, that's a FENCE in the background, not a shipping container.

It's actually an asbestos fence, as lots are in Australia. Painted with concrete paint which has a kind of plastic coating effect.

IDNLIASC*

*(I do not live in a shipping container)

I am tempted to weigh my bike though!

EDIT: 29.2lb.

You're very defensive about your shipping container.

Can we put the 28lb thing to bed now, I cocked up....when I did my combined weight with bike on scales and then subtracted my bodyweight, then actually got some proper scales I got 30lb which is more realistic.

FTFY

Haha.

More than likely.

My friends old Trance Advanced weighs more than that with a higher end build.

Must be the lead lined dropper posts 🙂

FWIW, my Fuel still weighs just under 26lbs, with 29" wheels & a dropper post. I'll race DH & enduro on it all year 😉

Giant Trance SX is 29.8 lbs standard. It comes with own brand AM2 wheels that weigh 2.35kg and a connect dropper at 617 grams. Swapping those out should easily save a pound and a half.

Anyway...I think the bike looks great. Got to love a quality polished alloy frame.

Anyway...I think the bike looks great. Got to love a quality polished alloy frame.

......ah a man of taste.

Giant Trance SX is 29.8 lbs standard. It comes with own brand AM2 wheels that weigh 2.35kg and a connect dropper at 617 grams. Swapping those out should easily save a pound and a half.

Possibly, but it won't make the OPs bike any lighter will it?

Possibly, but it won't make the OPs bike any lighter will it?

Why not?
If Giant themselves list the SX as 29.8lbs and I've ditched the dropper, fitted carbon bars, carbon saddle and fitted lighter wheels then it's entirely possible I've dropped a few pounds off the standard SX weight.

This isn't rocket science.

why not?

Because your starting point isn't that stock build weight, and you can't just take weight off and then not consider the parts you added that put weight on.

Just to add..

The stock trance 2015 27.5 1 you've worked from is 29.5lbs with carbon rims, XT cranks, nobby nic evo tyres and fox suspension.

You've swapped out the wheels, (no idea if they are lighter than the originals but don't assume much difference if any), swapped out the suspension for x fusion which will be a bit heavier, gone from XT to SLX cranks, gone bigger on the cassette and fitted heavy DH tyres.

You've also swapped bars and seat for carbon versions, remove 1 chainring, 1 front mech and shifter, and a dropper. And you've added pedals which don't get included in stock weight.

My guess is a zero sum gain.

I made my trance heavier when modding it but it made it a better bike for my needs.

Will people stop saying [i]'point something pounds' [/i] you can't have a metric division of an imperial quantity 👿

You can do anything you want in this post truth world.

29.2 lbs

13 1/2 metres

8lb and 6 grams

Just weighed my 2012 Orange 5 with pedals on because I need them to actually ride it. I also have a dropper on it along with a wireless computer, a neoguard, a crudcatcher and Slime inner tubes as I hate punctures.
It has aluminium bars, XT 1x11, Hope pro 2 wheels with Mavic XM719 wheels and Revelation 150mm air forks.
It weighs 30.8lb if that is important to anyone.

Deviant, are you Professor Denzil Dexter of Fast Show fame? He had an amazing ability to create numbers for whatever he needed.

Nice bike by the way. Have you considered a lighter frame and components?

I've had a few Giant aluminum frames and they can come in very light.

That said, 26lbs is pure wishful thinking and 28lbs still seems a touch optimistic.

You realise you are going to need to get it weighed in a lab now, or this is going to haunt you forevermore.

What wheels does it have?

As already said I have a trance one running 1x11 and tubeless and I just rewighed it on my pretty accurate scales...

It weighed 28.2/bs with m520 pedals

Take off the dropper post and replace forks with burlier ones (i hve no idea why you'd not run a dropper but thats by the by) as the OP has done and the weight would be roughy the same. Equally the stock tyres may have been replaced by heavier vesrions but hes probably lost the same in adding lighter bars and a ridiculously uncomfy saddle

Whilst I was very dubious that it weighed 26lbs, 28lbs seems believable to me

for reference, on same scales my yeti ascr weighs 24lbs

Agree tpbiker, those wheels are around 1800gr depending on spokes, the rims are 420gr.

I just weighed my orange 5 again, on a different set of scales.
27.6lb today....
😉

This thread is great... 🙂

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28.2lbs, could of got it a little lighter. Since been replaced with a smuggler which is 1lb heavier and don't notice the weight difference!

This thread is great..

I'm struggling to remember what it's about. A guy swaps a dropper for a carbon post and weighs his bike?

Agree tpbiker, those wheels are around 1800gr depending on spokes, the rims are 420gr.

Which wheels are you referring to here? The giant carbon wheels are 1600g

Agree tpbiker, those wheels are around 1800gr depending on spokes, the rims are 420gr.
Which wheels are you referring to here? The giant carbon wheels are 1600g

hmm seems conveniently rounded up...do you have some dirty scales you can provide a photo on please 🙁

the superstar ones on the op's bike

[b]I'm struggling to remember what it's about[/b]. A guy swaps a dropper for a carbon post and weighs his bike?

Carbon bars

I keep seeing this thread title as a music one - IE some chaps who like scooters and dress well getting into some modern dance music. amphetamines meet MDMA

My trance is 31 with no particular weight saving bits including spare tube and pump attached. Pike, chain guide, XT/SLX, transfer dropper, m530 pedals, no carbon, maxxis exo tyres.

28lb is realistic. Remove the chain guide, pump, tube, dropper and replace alloy bits with carbon.

replace alloy bits with carbon.

You all really need to feel a Trance frameset, they're so light it makes you question the purpose of carbon.

I've got a carbon Giant Reign and I couldn't care less what it weighs. It's FAST AS F$&K.

But the OP has already poo-pooed the notion that carbon is lighter than alloy....

So does that mean he should swap out his carbon bars and saddle for alloy(made by giant)? Can you even get an alloy saddle?

But the OP has already poo-pooed the notion that carbon is lighter than alloy....

Nope, read properly.
All I did was comment on how light Giant's alloy frames are.....seat posts, bars and saddles from other manufacturers are a different kettle of fish and ripe for replacement with carbon.

Others are now pleasingly chipping in with 28lb Trances....are they lying too!?

Jonnyboi I started with a frame only, it's rare for me to buy a complete bike.

There's even a poster chiming in with a bog standard 31lb Trance..... Please explain if I replace a load of stuff with lighter carbon parts how it will somehow stay the same weight....that's anti science!

Got to love STW.

Please explain if I replace a load of stuff with lighter carbon parts how it will somehow stay the same weight....that's anti science!

you've built a bike from scratch and weighed it incorrectly on dodgy scales. When people have been sceptical based on your build specs you've then tried to compare it to stock builds by stating how you've removed various components or replaced them with carbon. And as I've pointed out many times you're ignoring the heavier bits you have added.

So, we get back to the original comments made by people which are 'nice bike but get it weighed properly'

Oh, and that seat is properly pointless, sell it to a roadie.

Carbon bars

If that's an On One carbon bar with what look like Hope grip doctors there's no weight saving compared to either set of my considerably cheaper Easton or Controltech alloy bars.
As for the saddle hope it's comfy!
Bike does look good though.

Again, I'm in Wales, will be on the road for FoD 1st March, BPW 9th March and Cwmcarrn Enduro mid March.... I'm an approachable guy and the bike is fairly unique, any forum members feel free to look me up, have a chat and weigh it themselves, i maintain 28lb....happy to be proved otherwise.

A plethora of pedalling pedants are calibrating their scales and coming for you OP.

I'm staggered that folk are still interested in this. 28lbs just isn't very impressive, especially when most of the bikes it will be compared against have droppers (and no silly saddle). Nothing has been modded on it to make it 'unique', it's just had some bits swapped like everyone else's. Ok there's a longer shock, but we don't even know what that does to the suspension other than giving it a bit more travel

I'm staggered that folk are still interested in this. 28lbs just isn't very impressive

Well my thoughts exactly....but then as someone earlier in the thread said; people are buying boutique frames but then ruining them by building them up with Lyriks, 30-35mm wide rims, heavy droppers, heavy 11 speed (or even 12 speed now) drivetrains, blingy but massive and heavy Hope quad piston brakes with braided hoses etc....and then quoting weights of 32lb.

It seems to have put a few noses out of joint that my mass produced Giant with its 'cheap' X-fusion suspension, a few carbon adornments and a sensible wheelset has come in at 28lb.

It's been fun guys but seriously life's too short, I hope other owners go for the 200x57 rear mod and stick a 160mm fork on the front, it transforms it from trail bike to something much more capable.... I'm now eagerly awaiting delivery of the YT Tues I ordered yesterday!

(I'll be sure to weigh it!)

people are buying boutique frames but then ruining them by building them up with Lyriks, 30-35mm wide rims, heavy droppers, heavy 11 speed (or even 12 speed now) drivetrains, blingy but massive and heavy Hope quad piston brakes with braided hoses etc....and then quoting weights of 32lb.

See, I'm with you until you start spouting shite like this. 28lbs is a fine weight for your bike. Some of the parts seem too much of a compromise to me, but, if it works for you, fine. No need to keep poking away at that chip you seem to have on your shoulder about people with more expensive bikes.

With the longer stroke shock how close does the swingarm get to the seat tube? In particular the curved verticle brace between the chain and seat stays.

Tomaso, with the air out of the shock and the bike compressed there's around 5mm clearance....in reality on the trail, allowing for flex of seat tube, flex of rear triangle then I reckon we'd be talking mere milimetres.....i haven't noticed any marks yet.

Warpcow...chip on my shoulder? nope.
Free and easy with my money, have a very trick diesel Golf that I love spending on, I change my motorbikes every few years and my shed now stands me at 4 bikes (one HT, one FS trail (as seen in this thread), a road bike and soon to be a DH bike....tight I am not.

Antagonistic?.....you may have a point though!

Any other Trance owner with internally routed dropper: how can I stop the incessant cable rattle? (OK un-internalise the cable huh?). Went single ring as sold the virtues of less chain rattle.... But the internal cable drives me skatty.