TrainerRoad - STW approved sessions

Gym? I hate the gym. Or can I do strength work on the bike .. thinking low cadence drills and such

Find a better gym? I was actually thinking more trunk/upper body work - shoulders, back, core etc as well as leg work. Makes a difference and it's a good time to focus on it if you haven't got to worry about your legs being destroyed before racing.

mrblobby - Member

Our aim with the Ramp test is exactly as you've mentioned. We are looking to create a test that a total beginner can complete and get their FTP without the complexity of pacing, completing a long warmup, etc.

With FTP being 60MP, we estimate it as a percentage of 20MP, or as average of 2x8MP, and now from a relatively short range of ramping 1 min efforts. I'd be interested to know how consistent a value of FTP can be derived across all the various test protocols. And I guess with TR sessions being scaled by a single value of FTP it's something that needs to be "right".

Really all the tests are informing you of different things, all of it potentially useful data, and then you're estimating a single value based on that result with some margin of error and ignoring the rest

Edit... I'd prefer a ramp test too as it takes pacing out of the equation and relatively short!

How do I find the ramp test? I hate the 20 min ftp so much I just guess it and tweak it during the season. The ramp test sounds much better. I've searched on my iPhone app and it just lists ramp test X. The description says it doesn't generate an ftp value automatically

(I'm using a beta version of the app if that makes a difference).

That’s it

@Garry_Lager
I am really interested to hear how your next few workouts go with the new FTP. I am currently working through the Mid-Volume SSB I myself and was training at 300 FTP for the first three weeks when Nate prototyped the new formula which pushed me up to 330. Originally, I thought the formula was off, but after a few weeks at the new FTP I've learned that I had more fight in me than I thought 🙂

@srshaw
Yep, the test you're looking for is Ramp Test X. Once you complete the test, Juliana from Support will calculate and comment your newly earned FTP.

@howsyourdad1
When it comes to Nordic skiing's relationship with cycling, there is certainly some great overlap but I would not recommend fully skipping the Base phase. At the very least, you should complete Sweet Spot Base II before jumping into the Build Phase. As for what you should do with the rest of your season, that is largely goal and event dependent. To help with choosing your plans, I have written these articles in our TrainerRoad Help Center that help outline the different approaches for different events.

Choosing a Road Plan: https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005927343-Road-Cycling-Training

Choosing a Mountain Bike Plan: https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005927363-Mountain-Bike-Training

I just had a quick crack at the ramp test as I ran out or time to do the scheduled sweet spot work out. Started out hungry, thirsty and stressed so know I could do a better job but definitely liked it as a concept. If it is accurate can see it giving much more easily repeatable tests.

Gray, 2 x 20

Nailed both at 100%, feeling strange!

Hello? What?

Oh I see. OK. Well done!

😆

Not really sure why I've not done with those in the past, seeing as they're apparently the standard for raising FTP.

Anyway, last few minutes of the second interval were getting desperate.

Hi all I’m reasonably new to trainerroad and just finished 6 weeks of mid level sweet spot, and have seen some fantastic results so far. I did my second ftp test last night and noticed that gradient is used in the test, where as only resistance is used in training, it was probably the case with the 1st test 6 weeks ago but I didn’t know the difference as had spent very little time on a smart trainer. I can happily spin up to 320 Watts in training and sit there for some time maintaining inertia, but found this much harder in the test as the gradient destroys inertia.

Is this right and is there anyway of increasing gradient in training to be more prepared next time. Thanks again

Looking for a 2 x 20 sweet spot workout with bursts, say 30 seconds long every 4 or 5 minutes.

Similar to Eichorn, anyone know of anything?

On the FTP test you've got to work out the power for yourself and get the cadence right. If I drop cadence too much in a sweet spot interval for example I find it very hard to get it back up in the same interval. During the FTP session if you don't get to your comfortable cadence and expected power you might struggle to get up to the cadence you want.

I moved the target line also to what I expect to achieve plus a bit more as an optimistic target to aim at then settle into what feels likely over the 2 8 minute segments. I expect each time this target will get a bit more realistic as I know what I can achieve during sessions.

I did the 20min test last night, the five minutes clearing session is a good way to explore what power and cadence might be appropriate for the twenty minutes effort. It certainly helped me to hold a steady power throughout the test.

I had a play on the new FTP Ramp Test they've done. Get's ugly fast but doesn't last long either :0) Awaiting my result which comes via Email I think as it's BETA but looks like it'll be 80% of best minute. Have a 8 minute test due in wee and a half as shift plans so this should double check against this result. Not going to use the new one to set the FTP as it's basically a rest week next week which is much needed.

Reading about the new FTP test got me looking at the other test protocols available on TR. If I do the HA & AC POWER PROFILE TEST, does it actually give you a 'result' for each of the 5 sec / 1 min / 5 min at the end, or do you have to review the power profile data from the test yourself and draw up your own numbers?

<pedant>I think it’s 77% of the best minute.</pedant>

Most reckon somewhere between 75 and 80 percent.

You'll see a big variation when testing people's capabilities above FTP.

I have been doing sweet spot base mid volume 1 which I completed 2 weeks ago. I had my FTP at 263 which was set on my Kinetic trainer.
I moved to a Tacx Flux but felt my FTP was fine on the new trainer and carried on regardless.

I did the ramp test, and was thinking I would get an increase in FTP, but just got a 265 :(. https://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/10930862-ramp-test-x

I then did the 8 minute test the next day, which gave me an answer of 241, which now confuses me even more.

I have noticed that my Flux seems quite sensitive to power levels, and it can be very smooth at a certain power output, but if that changes it will start to hunt for the right power showing quite clearly in the power graph as spikes and troughs. Over the period of the interval it will match the average power expected, but has anyone else seen this with the Tacx Flux, or is mine faulty?

In the results on the website it gives you power numbers for lots of different times for that session and your bests.

I found the Facebook Beta group and did more reading and yes that looks to be about 77% so a 5% increase for me which is what I'm expecting. Although with a better mindset I should improve on that in a weeks time when it's actually due. They suggest upgrading your FTP now if you take it so looks like it'll be a tough weekend once they confirm it.

@Haze

So we do not have anything that perfectly replicates an Eichorn with the 5-second bursts.  That being said, with our Workout Creator you can easily take the Eichorn workout and add the desired bursts in every 5 minutes or so.   You can then save the workout into your custom workouts so that you have access to it on all of your TrainerRoad devices 🙂

If you are interested in trying out the Workout Creator, you can download it here on Mac or PC:

http://trainerroadcdn1.blob.core.windows.net/software/workoutcreator.air

You will need to have Adobe Air installed first, so keep that in mind as well 🙂

workout creator is one of the unsung features of TrainerRoad 🙂

Once you get the hang of it's its really easy to create your own specific workouts.

Thanks Bryce, have used Workout creator but hadn’t realised you can use it to modify existing workouts.

Had started to make my own but found it a bit tricky at times, dropping a block in and getting overlaps which seemed fiddly to rectify using the start/duration/end times. Then having to repeat the process over and over gets frustrating!

Maybe there’s a repeat function I’m missing or I just need to spend a little more time with it.

So I'm doing more running and weights this year which means I'm finding it tough on the TrainerRoad workouts. For the longer overunder workouts (1:30 so not that long) do people think it's better to do the whole thing at a lower value or one less set at 100%

sweaman2
Subscriber
So I’m doing more running and weights this year which means I’m finding it tough on the TrainerRoad workouts. For the longer overunder workouts (1:30 so not that long) do people think it’s better to do the whole thing at a lower value or one less set at 100%

Just do a workout search and see if there's a shorter variation on that workout (there's often a 1h15m or 1h version in there somewhere too).

I sometimes do that but was also wondering once I'm in as it were.... 2 down with three to go is bailing at 4 better / worse than all 5 but @ 90%?

If you drop percentage, at some point the intervals will become under-unders not over-unders so the point of the interval becomes void.

There is definitely a lot of functionality with the WC that can get confuising, but if you check out some of the videos in our video tutorial, it simplifies things down quite a bit 🙂

https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/201377834-Creating-a-Custom-Workout

For over under workouts, you are better off bailing early than reducing the intensity 10%.  Typically, a 5% reduction is okay and worth pushing through, but a 10% reduction on an over-under workout loses the purpose of the workout and, as ferrals said, makes it an under-under workout.

Doh! I deleted a Ride from my career instead of unassigning it by accident 🤦🏻‍♂️

Is it restorable from anywhere??

All sorted thanks to the great Trainerroad support team 👍🏻👍🏻

Had another play with Workout Creator and inserted some 30 second bursts into Eichorn, spaced them out nicely then shift selected the whole 20 minute interval and added it to snippets to use as a repeat.

The editing seems to work much nicer if you work methodically from left to right, think maybe before I was jumping around too much adding bits here and there with the intervals pushing and pullling everything around to suit. It’s just having familiarity with how it behaves I guess.

Hows everyone's TR plans going? I am failing at the moment - hectic at work means I'm stuggling for any time and not getting enough sleep plus I'm actually doing physical work at work rather than just computer stuff so am generally tireder than normal.  Still, starting to ease up a bit so hopefully get a bit more structure back.

Question: According to my plan am starting week 4 of Sweet Spot Base but didnt do any TR last week, just a couple of commutes to work and a mess around in the woods on Sat. The week before that I did week 3 but rode outside on the w/e and was time limited so didn't get the training stress I'd have got from the over unders I should have done on Sat or the duration of Sunday. Not sure whether to do start week 4, re-do week three or even re-start plan as its been a bit haphazard so far.

My feeling is to stick to week 4 as it would mean I'll be finishing off base 2 when I have my first xc race, guess the question is how much do I loose by having breaks in the plan when it comes to adaptation.

ferrals - I've been in your shoes (missing a few workouts, having an easier week by mistake) and decided that I should just go straight back into the plan. I suspect that the wee rides you did last week have maintained what you've gained so far so you should be fine. The reason I chose to keep going with the plan when I was in your situation was mostly just the mental boost from keeping looking forward and progressing.

My current TR-ing is non existent. I took a break from TR when my kid was born and just hada few rides on Zwift (didn'y like it as much as TR). Have now found the time for a low-vol plan but my Flux has decided to stop working so is on the way to Holland. I finished SS1 about xmas time and have done a reasonable amount of base-y stuff in the interim so am going to pick up SS2 when I have the means to do so. Am not training for anything in particular so although a reset to the start of SS1 might be better for getting faster I prefer the VO2max stuff in SS2.

The reason I chose to keep going with the plan when I was in your situation was mostly just the mental boost from keeping looking forward and progressing.

Yeah valid point. Plus I like Carson which would be tomorrows workout

I found SSB 2 really wiped me out for very little gain oddly. Then I continued into Short Power Build but my consistency has been so poor that I’m not sure it’s done much good. Trying to start fitting in some racing hasn’t helped as I kind of feel a owe it to the entry fee to taper a little- which of course starts a downward spiral

I’ve made the decision to switch to Sustained Power Build from scratch and train through any further racing. Planning on retesting with the Ramp Test tomorrow and cracking on from there.

<div class="bbp-reply-content">

Hows everyone’s TR plans going? I am failing at the moment – hectic at work means I’m stuggling for any time and not getting enough sleep plus I’m actually doing physical work at work rather than just computer stuff so am generally tireder than normal.  Still, starting to ease up a bit so hopefully get a bit more structure back.

</div>
Pretty sheeeeiiiittttte here as I got ill [along with every cyclist I know it seems] and have been away, but fingers crossed all over it now. Was doing a sustained power build and don't exactly fancy jumping right back into those heavy intervals, so think some easier sweetspot sessions will be the first order of business.

I followed SS bases 1 & 2, low volume but introduced a Weds speed skills/spin ups session as well as a longer weekend ride.

Did roughly the same with sustained power build but only really followed it loosely since I was working on the two weeks on/one week off thing suggested for masters athletes.

Should have been my last this week but have scheduled an easy week in due to three weeks of reliabilities and now feeling knackered. I’m also in Mallorca next week so a break now will hopefully  freshen me up for a week of solid riding over there.

All in all I feel stronger than I’ve ever been for the time of year, just hope it translates to the racing!

Hows everyone’s TR plans going?

Heh. Erm. Well. Excuses excuses from me! I had man flu in January that stuck around in my chest for a few weeks. Then a couple of weeks ago I snapped an Achilles tendon. So now I'm bollocksed for the foreseeable again. Just as well I recently bought a shiny new Neo! Bah!

Ouch, unlucky Gray! Hope it recovers ok.

@Haze, I've always thought doing low volume wouldn't be enough to improve but after your comments I'm thinking switching to low volume and then adding in extra when I can will probably be a more satisfying way to do things. That way I can feel pleased with the extra rather than guilty about skipping stuff!

Yeah I find the flexibility helps keep me motivated particularly towards the end of winter, I use the low volume as a base and pad it out around weather/family/work commitments or whatever’s going on.

Gray, best of luck with the injury, I ruptured mine a few years ago playing badminton. Recovering from it was what got me back on a bike since BMX as a kid. Turned out to be a very positive thing!

@ferrals @haze - I'm going for low volume this year for the same reasons.

@gray - Ouch.

I've always gone for the low volume for that reason.  Easier to add in something as opposed to feel guilty about missing a session.  I've just been following plans loosely as doing more running / weight lifting this year for general health and don't have a big cycling objective.

@gray - You make me feel lucky which is saying something!!

I've also previously found that low volume plus a bit of optional freestyle extra is nice. Once you've got the three quality sessions in then anything on top that doesn't knacker you is a bonus.

(I did my Achilles playing badminton too, already a bit bored of it, but it doesn't hurt much.)

I haven’t played it since, shortly afterwards a work colleague did the same. Seems to be a very common injury in explosive sports.

Gray - Oof you get all the luck don't you.

Finished Base pretty tired and started on Build but not feeling right. Probably a small cold but couldn't hold power and struggling in the real world too. Didn't back off duration but did on intensity. Sacked the plan off in the 2nd week but felt better so raced on Zwift last week with some decent outdoor rides. Decided to plow on with the plan so this is a realtively easier week then back to week 5 next week. Bit scared that my FTP might be up again as the last test I wasn't right but maintained the same FTP but I've got to remember the failures after that were probably down to health. Ramp test is a much nicer way of doing the FTP estimation also.

I go for the mid plan as it fits my average hours fine and happy to sub in rides. Just got put on the new beta (look for the Trainroad Beta group on Facebook) plan layout and they now provide a TSS estimate for outdoor rides. I assume it's more accurate with a HR monitor on. Not fussed about it being 100% accurate but it's a better indication of the overall load in a week.

Going forward now it's "nice" outside I'll be intending to do Wed/Thurs/Sun outdoors at least.

Ends up ending the Speciality Phase 1 week early for this years main event at Glentress 7.

I’ve spent the last few weeks riding outside and decided that it’s infinitely more preferable to sitting on the trainer.

<div class="bbp-reply-author">john_l
<div class="bbp-author-role">
<div class="">Member</div>
</div>
</div>

<div class="bbp-reply-content">

I’ve spent the last few weeks riding outside and decided that it’s infinitely more preferable to sitting on the trainer.

Same.. just cancelled my TR subscription for that reason as it would more be a case of the occaisonal turbo. Interested in the TR beta thing though, as I do tend to try and follow the general plan concept outside. If they can give you an estimated TSS for your outside rides so you can see how well you're synching into the plan when outside I'd probably re-subscribe. Off to look at facebook!

</div>

That's essentially it. You have to request access and I think it took about 3 weeks to get in but it might be quicker now. I think it's been literally switched on this week though.

I suspect they are trying to compete with Trainingpeaks which I've looked at but am just bamboozled by the options and info.

i'm using Trainingpeaks as well - gives you TSS based on HR.

TR was great when coming back from busted collarbone, but I needed to get back on the bike properly and particularly for racing SS, I don't think you can properly replicate that indoors.

I've kept my subscription going even though my ankle is immobilised, simply because I like the podcast and the product so much that I want to continue supporting them. I've cancelled zwift though  and probably won't switch it back on again. I have a Robocop style boot thing now, so I reckon in a few weeks I'll fit some flatties and have a go at heel pedalling on the turbo...

@tomlevell so how does it work, you upload your gps file to TR and specify what bike etc?

Nope, it grabs from Strava. It’s really good!

I’ve managed to bamboozle it though by riding my rides simultaneously on Zwift and only saving the Zwift ride to Strava. TR can see both of course but the Zwift one is generally longer and contains a few extra TSS points.

So the TSS score is more than double for those days. I guess that’s why it’s a Beta though.

It would be the same if you warmed up and cooled down longer on your Garmin and only saved that version etc etc so no doubt they’ll fix it.

I've no doubt Training Peaks does but it's a mess to look and work out what everything is for. I'm sure it's a more powerful tool in the right hands.

TR grabs from Strava/Garmin etc.

Currently you have to manually force it to calculate the TSS by adding a ride intensity scale from 1-10 against their notes. I'm assuming it looks at HR but I don't know it does for a fact. Might only work on the scale.

It does take Zwift rides and automatically calculates TSS as they are power based. I guess if you have a power meter outdoors it'll do the same. One person noted that you can change the FTP on each ride which means outdoor you can alter it if you have a different result.

I just auto sync my Garmin HR data with TP & there it is.

so sorry to ask, I did google/ search but nothing found. Traininerroad on a 1x10 mtb?  have a spare wheel with a closer range cassette on it...    if I whack the resistance up it should be ok?

will only be two max three sessions a week of intervals for a couple of months...

That'll work perfect!  I've personally spent a lot of time on a trainer with a mountain bike. There are a few things to consider though:

1.  The trainer will tear up your rear tire.  You may want to consider a trainer specific tire if that is possible with your setup

2.  You need to make sure that your trainer is compatible with your rear wheel spacing.  Bikes with boost spacing have 148mm rear axles and do not fit in some trainers.  Also worth considering, if you have a rear thru axle, then you will need to pick up a thru axle trainer adapter to allow you to clamp it in the trainer's frame.

In general, your gearing should have adequate range on the trainer but that will depend to a degree on the size of your front chainring.  Trainer, tire tread, roller pressure etc will all have an effect on your resistance so I can't say with certainty what gearing you will need.

cheers Bryce, yes I have a specific trainer tyre @ 80psi. 26 inch wheel. front chainring is only 32.  I have used it before but I had a double on the mtb then. but I think I had it on a lower resitance setting.    I also cant seem to find my heart rate montor... it'll be ok with just speed and cadence sensors yes?

You definitely don't need HR to run perfectly well on TrainerRoad. I always hook up my HR sensor, but that's more for post-hoc curiosity and long term trend stuff - I pay pretty much no attention to it during the session (I mean, I might notice if it was going bonkers, but otherwise...).

Sufferfest workouts no longer available via trainerroad - shame as I liked a couple of the less intense ones like 'power station' and 'nine hammers.'

@howsyourdad1

Yep, all you need is a speed cadence sensor and a supported trainer to get up and running TrainerRoad with VirtualPower 🙂  Feel free to reach out if you have any more questions!

I had a 5 minute go on the turbo today, with flat pedals and my big fat Achilles boot thing! Felt weird, and had to lower the saddle a bit to not be a bit uncomfortable, but essentially it was OK  I might use it a bit over the next few weeks, mainly to get blood flowing through my leg and promote healing rather than for fitness, but it's all good...

So no-ones been turboing through summer 🙂

Just re-signed up to TR and see the strava grabbing is now live on the main version.Will be interesting to see how it goes. Doesnt seem to be using heart rate though - just your percieved effort (and I guess duration).

Anyone been using it without power (for outside rides) and care to comment on how useful they've found it long term? I'm only using virtual power on turbo

I've been sticking outside rides in, only to give an estimation of my weekly TSS

I have just signed up after a long break, and can't find the video workouts (ie sufferfest) is the feature retired now?

They sufferfest ones were pulled earlier this year, as sufferfest are now app based themselves and want people to operate within their platform.

Shame, as revolver was a bit of a classic on TR.

Don't know about other videos, have they all gone?

Yeah, I found the sufferfest post about it, I think they are cheeky bastards, I bought most of the sufferfest videos over the years to use with trainerroad, I knew they haven't released new videos for purchase for 2 or 3 years but pulling the old stuff from trainerroad is pretty poor IMO.

Does any one know any good resources for mountain bike videos to watch while training?

Agreed - the videos are useless to me just to watch and train with perceived effort or whatever.

You could probably create the TR workout easily enough and merge it with the video somehow with two windows if you fancied. Might try that with revolver as it's a very simple profile.

That is the first session I have done without a trainerroad syncing up with the video (just watched a xco race on redbull tv) It really didn't work, it isn't half as involving. I was planning on buying a new trainer next month and subscribing to sufferfest anyway, but still pissed off that they have taken that attitude.

Also find it a shame that sufferfest don;t do any mountain bike videos.

Zwift?

I tried zwift last year, thought it was complete and utter shite.

That is the first session I have done without a trainerroad syncing up with the video (just watched a xco race on redbull tv) It really didn’t work, it isn’t half as involving. I was planning on buying a new trainer next month and subscribing to sufferfest anyway, but still pissed off that they have taken that attitude.

Also find it a shame that sufferfest don;t do any mountain bike videos.

I like SF a lot but wonder how their schtick works for a complete training package - assuming they're not going for the bury yourself every single session approach which would be madness. Sounds a bit odd doing a sufferfest easy sweetspot sesh.

Injury has kept me off the bike since early June but have been trying to tick over on TrainerRoad, haven't really been able to get out of Z2/3 without much discomfort but hoping to start building back up soon.

Hadn't realised the Sufferfest workouts had been removed, I stopped using them a couple of years ago as I found I made better progress following the base/build plans. Shame as I like the idea of the odd one when motivation is lacking and a fresh option would be good.

One thing I do miss is the drag and drop videos for when I'm doing something less structured as over the last few weeks, I use a tablet these days as it's loads more convenient.

I tried zwift last year, thought it was complete and utter shite.

I get that, because I'm only a recent convert myself.   But their training plans have improved and kind of morph to your missed workout / goals.  Principally though as my plans are set in TodaysPlan, Zwift links to todays plan.  I get all my target intervals & numbers plus the start/finish "hoops" are great to aim for when your buried deep toward then end of a 450w 1 min interval

Therefore I'm achieving the benefit of a better UI (IMO) than Trainerroad, using a very personalised training plan.

Outside of that I'm not sure I'm capable of being immersed as others though, for example when doing a Sunday morning ride by myself because is 0 degrees outside.   I've joined the group rides but despite the w/kg based parameter of those to even things up I never find them quite as advertised and find myself outside of my desired training zone, so a bit dissatisfied with that.

So.. TSS...

This week I did two ramp tests on monday (first one I/a mis-shifting bike messed up), then a reduced amplitude billats workout tuesday. This gave me a TSS of 49 on monday and 67 on tuesday.  Monday should have been a rest day but i needed to FTP test so i could turbo on tues. I'm aiming for a hard week this week and work/childcare meant an early turbo was my only option. I should have done a harder workout on tues but was lazy and legs feelin the ramp test.

Question really is, to assuage my nagging guilt, whats the difference between a monday with 0 TSS (rest day) followed by a killer session of TSS 110+ on tues or splitting the TSS between two days like I did?

or splitting the TSS between two days like I did?

On day 2 you may be able to perform to a peak due to tiredness.   If you're going to do that, schedule workouts hard/dooable.  So thats

Hard & Short and Hard & Short  - 45mins sprint & 45 mins sprint

or

Hard & Short and Long & easy - 45mins sprint & 1.5hr Z2

or

Doable & doable - 2 x 20 and 2 x 20.

No point doing 5 x 3mins Vo2max on day 1, then trying that again on day 2 and failing.   The exception id if your building for multi day / muscular endurance - I did lots of Vo2max day one and 2 or even 3 x 20 mins day 2 last winter - but that last 20 was often a struggle.

Not a coach, but...if you're only interested in accumulating TSS then no difference.

I guess it really depends on the original intention against how you actually acquired it?

Yeah I guess it makes no differnece. I'm starting to train harder now with the goal of structured turbo training through the cx season to be a peak fitness for the regional champs (my 1 A race) then maintaining that  for the NT at SHrewbury 9second A race). I'd planned out my 3 weeek training 1 week rest (with B races at the end of the rest week and C races other wekends), but it meant that I had a rest week last week (due to my past cycle of training), but need also to have a rest week next (which coincides with tapering so I can make cx rnd 1 a 'b' race). Therefore I was planning a 1 week killer week this week so I'm not loosing fitness over three easy weeks.

In an ideal world I've have done 1.5 - 2hrs of warm up, 5 minute RAB intervals 5 minute rest on Tues. Instead I did 2 20 minute ramp tests monday evening and 1hr turbo with 4 RAB intervals on tues. Probably equates to the same thing.

Yeah I guess it makes no differnece

Goddam this invisible ink...

Whilst the TR thread is up- they are trickling people into the beta Calander feature. It’s pretty good 👍🏻

I’ve had a bad year with TR discipline. I’ve been through the best part of a whole BBS cycle with only about ten crisp TR intervals done on the Turbo. Mainly because of the weather and thanks to finding a Tuesday chaingang, I’ve either done a best-fit version of the interval set outside or swapped it for an outdoor group ride or race.

This time last year, I really applied myself to Sustained Power build for 8 weeks and had a great end of season peak but I’m struggling to give up the outdoor riding this time around.

I think the lack of a meaningful goal at the moment is holding me back.

Haha sorry Kryton! Agree with what you are saying.

Crosshair - just applied for early access to calendar. This is eaxctly what I need if I understnad the beta facebook group post right. looks ideal.

Yes the calendar is good.

Will hopefully be nicely polished on final release but very good to use.

You can add in race events which stay in place on the calendar and overlay the training programs around them and if things change pull and push weeks but the race events stay in place.