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I think his words were "I'm going to ride you off the trail"?
Was that before or after the guy in front ignored him, slowed him down to the point accidents were likely to occur etc
He says that yes, but more for the fact he is trying to highlight the point that the slower guy is likely going to cause an accident, its not a threat, its just him trying to get his point across. He didn't resort to violence or even anything remotely aggressive
slower riders should always make way for faster riders, within reason. its the best way for everyone to enjoy trails at their own pace.
for a few seconds of inconvenience both can carry on at their own pace.
if faster riders always had to give the slower riders a head start, there would be a que at the start of every bit of single track. I know English people love a good que, but can you imagine a busy trail centre, the indignant tutting would be deafening!
gnarr boy is a bit of a plonker, but bumble bee at fault imo
How can he even do that if the guy at the back is giving him enough space?mattamomo - Member
the slower guy is likely going to cause an accident
How can he even do that if the guy at the back is giving him enough space?
That is where etiquette comes into it, if the guy is slower then he simply needs to move over.
Its the same with tractors on roads (I know strange example) but they have to move over to allow others past.
If I am out on the roads and a few cars are behind, I don't provoke them to dangerously overtake, I just allow them to pass because its not worth risking accidents or anything more serious.
mattk - Memberslower riders should always make way for faster riders, within reason. its the best way for everyone to enjoy trails at their own pace.
Errmmm - nope - surely its up to the faster rider to ride fast without causing incidents. Its is polite to let them past when convenient - and I often do but its on my terms when I can without spoiling my ride
if faster riders always had to give the slower riders a head start, there would be a que at the start of every bit of single track.
Seems to work fine IME
There wasn't many obvious places to stop and let someone passed, there were however places where the track split and the faster rider could have overtaken if he had been half as awesome as he believed he was.
thread should be retitled "tit and arse video"
🙄
Errmmm - nope - surely its up to the faster rider to ride fast without causing incidents. Its is polite to let them past when convenient - and I often do but its on my terms when I can without spoiling my ride
So that's a yes then. Let faster riders through when safe and convenient to do so. It works everywhere because it the best thing to do, if you don't let them past it's unsafe and unfair. It's no difference to Skiing / Snowboarding, the onus is on the rider above but those below should always be aware to the possibility of a faster rider coming past and ride accordingly.
As with the numerous car vs cyclist vs pedestrian vs horse vs dog walker incidents everyone just needs to to act with a bit on common sense and consideration instead of (mis)quoting laws and common practice. Something bumble bee man and gnarr man could both do with.
Very little in this world is black and white.
In fairness to the front bloke, it must be hard to concentrate on a trail with somebody buzzing yer arse and shouting a commentary. Whether or not he knows the trail, he needs to concentrate hard to keep himself safe and all the more so if he's to spot a place to stop and let cameraguy through
Both riders are ****s but no need for the assault, totally over the top.
Chubby Bumblebee Man (CBM) could have more considerate and moved to the side of the trail when he had a chance, thus diffusing the situation before things escalated.
Gnarr Camera Boy (GCB) really needs to think his actions through a bit more. It's riding bikes ffs, doesn't appear to be a race, so if GCB had waited for a few minutes once he caught CBM up, he wouldn't have been slapped by CBM and avoided the entire episode.
Both riders were just thinking about themselves and if presented with the same scenario again I bet both riders would do things differently. Doesn't hurt to be considerate of others.
Great viewing though. 🙂
As with the numerous car vs cyclist vs pedestrian vs horse vs dog walker incidents everyone just needs to to act with a bit on common sense and consideration instead of (mis)quoting laws and common practice.
That's very true. Most problems out on the trails, hills, roads, or wherever, are down to an individuals arrogance and belief that they have right of way.
It's not difficult to slow down a bit.....for either of those two riders....and it wouldn't be a big deal if the leading rider took a while to find a place where he felt it would be appropriate to let someone past.
Can't see how it's dangerous. It's only dangerous when you have some arrogant fool hanging on to your back wheel.
Guy behind caught the guy mid-trail not right at the start so hardly like he'd set off right behind him and hassled him all the way. And he started out pretty chilled and asked to pass - bloke in front refused despite plenty of good opportunities. I'd have been pretty darn pissed too!!
So you pull over, give the bloke in front a bit of space and, guess what?! Another bunch of slower riders come through. Better wait another 5 minutes... Oh look, it's a trail centre - more slower riders. Better just give it a few more minutes... etc etc etc. You'd be there all day waiting for a clear run.
Block in front was a total and utter knob.
So you pull over, give the bloke in front a bit of space and, guess what?! Another bunch of slower riders come through. Better wait another 5 minutes... Oh look, it's a trail centre - more slower riders. Better just give it a few more minutes... etc etc etc. You'd be there all day waiting for a clear run.
The great advantage of such places is that they perform a great job of collecting 90% of the bell-ends on bikes in one easily avoidable location.
Evidence that two wrongs do make a fight...
Robs octane - crap bike is it not a Ti Fat Chance?
Chuckling at ''thisissheffield''s link to the same vid on their Facebook page
They reckon camera guy was a typical singletrackworld'er 😆
The great advantage of such places is that they perform a great job of collecting 90% of the bell-ends on bikes in one easily avoidable location.
And the other 10% clearly left to post "I'm better than you trail centre users" bollx on the Internet 😉
The great advantage of such places is that they perform a great job of collecting 90% of the bell-ends on bikes in one easily avoidable location.
If only there was a roadie equivalent
To my ears the guy at the back says quite clearly
"I can't overtake you, do you want me to just run you off the trail?"
At about 3.30 when he runs into Bumblebee why didn't he just hang a left and continue on down the trail?
I think if you're going to threaten people and intimidate them then there's sometimes consequences, especially when testosterone is involved. I don't think either party has covered themselves in glory here.
Personally I'll always move over on the trail. I've had lots of practice being a fat, middle-class engineer on a nice bike 😉 I do it because I'm a nice guy and I care that other people are enjoying themselves too. But if you ride up behind someone who isn't a nice guy and you act like a tool, there's no fluffy bunny at the end of the rainbow 🙁
To paraphrase one of the greatest monologues in cinematic history:
This is what happens when dicks **** assholes 😆
I agree with richpenny.
only gob off if you know can look after yourself. This is what happens when you can't. Fatboy in the lycra should have let the gobshite go though.
wrecker - Member
If only there was a roadie equivalent
If only there was an internet equivalent.
druidh - Member
mattamomo - Member
I am probably late on this discussion.
But the guy following very politely asked to pass by
I think his words were "I'm going to ride you off the trail"?
i love stw sometimes...druidh - can you missquote anymore?!
cynic-alIf only there was an internet equivalent.
You're on it.
The slower rider should have given way, but obviously the guy with the camera was a dick and antogonising.
Has anybody actually listened to the vid? When they had the first coming together bumble bee is getting out of the way. Camera boy decides, instead of carrying on along the trail, to ride into him and says "what are you doing?" Bumble bee says "letting you past." So instead of carrying on down the trail camera boy does a little loop and comes out behind bumble bee.
Bumble bee shouldn't have hit him but I bet most of us would have come away moaning about it on here to be told that camera boy should have been owned with bombers.
Colonials.
Far too much time spent alone on hillsides with sheep.
Lets face it both were in the wrong, the guy should have let him pass, but it is not camera boys god given right to get past, then camera boy does a small loop where he could have got in front of the other guy and buzzes his wheel again (how stupid is he). Then moans about the guy hitting him (if I had done that I would have half expected to get slapped). I mean camera guy must have realised early on the other guy was not for letting him past but kept on at him it was only ever gonna end one way.
what a couple of idiots. It reminded me of Nuts in May.
Its just a clash of personalities, You could remove bikes from the equation completely and similar incidents would still occur over something else equally pointless.
A pair of twunts!! ..... nuff said
violence solves nothing,
mindless yobo's both of them a disgrace to the sport i feel sick after watching that. 😯
Loads of room to get past what's wrong with him :wink:.
Both are tools.
1 at front should have pull over to let him past IMO.
But if I had a tool sat on my back wheel gobbling off I might have not let him past. 
how can folks get angry riding a bike? it's joyous experience, if you can't ride without a smile you should have your bike taken off you and be made to walk everywhere as you are obviously a miserable Charlie Uniform etc..
i think that it is just about the only headcam footage I have ever seen which was worth watching.
I don't think bumble bee is a bumble bee, he is one of a gang of giant Umpa Lumpa's who were put out round the trail round every corner just to piss the camera rider off. A proper WTF moment for camera guy when he thought he'd passed the Umpa, just to be met with another one round the next bend !
On a more serious note I thought camera guy had been quite courteous, he hadn't demanded to pass, he asks 'mind if I squeeze past mate?' and Umpa then says 'yes'. At that point Umpa should have let him through instead of trying to out run camera guy. In the same breath though I can understand the frustrations of both as there is nothing worse than having your favourite part of a trail spoiled by someone dicking you about.
You don't get this on the natural trails..... that's why I only do the centres in the winter, when the Umpa Lumpa's are hibernating !
Both riders deserve a ****ting, bumble bee got in there first unfortunately 😆
Looks like the trail has several route choices so he could have passed without anyone losing there own flow.
It is a shame bumble bee was not carrying a gun as a message to all camera boy warriors.
Fisticuffs aside, that looks a bloody nice bit if trail. Shame its on the other side of the world.
Bumblebee man reminded me of a character off Paul Hogan.
You don't get this on the natural trails..
It was a natural trail.
In an ideal world the bumble bee bloke pulls overand let's camera boy pass straight away, but its not and he,s been a d* ck tbh and no common sense
The time it took him to catch him in the first place makes me wonder if bumble bee bloke went passed him at the start while he was p*ssing about with his camera and didn't give him enough time, knowing he would catch him up.
its evev funny secound viewing 😆
bumble bee frightens me a mindless agressive thug!
cynic-al
If only there was an internet equivalent.
You're on it.
Not only that you're very well known on it 😆
The guy in front was a dick, end of story.
I never harass folk when i come upto them, and when i get folks behind me i slow down and let them past at the next appropriate point...common sense...non of which either of these two had.
I got held up at afan by some blokey so I stopped & let him go* as he didn't let me by
Caught him again**
And again***
Eventually he moved over, about 50 yards from the bottom 🙄
* yeh, as you suspect, I'm fast AND a great guy
** did I mention I'm FAST
*** I mean, like, supergnarlyfast baby !
(couldn't help thinking he was a bit of an arse though)
I'm of the opinion that he should have just let him pass in the first place, I mean is it really that difficult? (pull over caravan and let the folk who want to get there at a reasonable pace do so). The guy behind asked politely to start with but then became rude and forced the issue which was unwise. He should then have stopped and waited.
The guy in front definitely has problems and should probably see someone about them.
when they first met they should have cuddled each other supportively.. and tenderly.. for a long time..
you'd like THAT on video wouldn't you yunki?
Hmmm,
Vintage Rock Shox gear,
Blue & orange Giro Havoc
Old school Ti HT,
I think I've found my twin.
Except I'm not so angry & the young pinner wouldn't have caught me.
Guy at the back is pinned and the **** in front can't ride for shit. He could easily have moved over when the guy said "can I get passed there" but the pleb just kept riding down getting more and more ragged. In the process wrecking the guys filming. Fat **** would't last five minutes at Whistler Bike Park with that attitude.
The guy in front looked like he was blocking camera guy on in number of places, then is riding on the ragged edge for the rest of the run just to keep camera guy behind him.
I think he needs a dropper post and some flats, then he too can rule the trail, just like mr polite yet impatient camera guy.
I'd say the chap with the camera was the slower rider.....
MAMIL let him past,then somehow ends up in front again! Skillz.....
DrP
Just had a second watch... Yellow man is an utter knob. When camera guy does pass him yellow man takes short cut to annoy camera man! He obviously knew that the shortcut existed and did not fall in behind camera man. Hope he gets caught .
both being knobs but only one of them is a violent git who attacked someone for trivial "reasons"?
Stupid aussie/kiwi macho inbreds, innit!
Anyone remember that helmet cam video from a couple of years ago (I think) from somewhere in France (I think) where two guys absolutely tear past everyone?
Helmet cam guy should get some lessons from them.
Bruce, I was thinking of exactly that same video! Now if only someone on here could find it for us...
Ah-ha!
Now that's how you get past people, take no prisoners . 😆
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The guy in front is a nob. The rider with the go pro is a smart arse shit who should have just stopped on that tight singletrack and given him space seeing as there were no other riders behind him....or finished what he helped to start by sticking up for himself and kicking the **** out of the old bloke.
I'm with the guy in front, he was giving it some, riding a hardtail with bar ends and v brakes and giving it some, smooth riding and looks like no braking, the other guy on a full suspension jumping around.
he should have ridden behind him and watched and learnt.
it looks like the guy in front let him go, then came in front of him again and was holding him off for a bit, and got pissed off with a back seat driver.
Love the cartoon. Is this national news in NZ then?
That looked like an amazing bit of trail. Shame it was spoiled by a couple of asshats.
They are both in the wrong. But the guy following could have done the most to avoid it. Yes, Fat Bumblebee should have let him past but the faster guy should just have dropped back when he realised the guy in front was determined to be a dick.
Asbo for the pair of them. Keep the trail clear of asshats for others to enjoy.
I thought the bumble bee bloke was the cock. It takes 2 seconds to wave someone pass, then no-one gets held up.
All those who are saying he should wait, what happens when someone else rides down the same trail whilst he's waiting, goes in front then he has two people to pass.
BKB in surrey is like this all the time, if you were forced to wait for every person you were faster than, you'd never get down it!
[i]if you were forced to wait for every person you were faster than, you'd never get down it! [/i]
If I gave way to everyone faster than me I'd never get anywhere 😉
Anyone can be faster on a full suss, perhaps the guy with the helmet cam should get a hardtail, then he wouldn't catch other riders up so quickly.
Grim
PS I would love to ride that trail and I promise would I let faster riders pass!!!
amusing... surprised he didnt slap him halfway down were he rode into him for no reason? pair of idiots
Amusing video, thankyou! (I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said though)
Love the cartoon. Is this national news in NZ then?
News of this outrage knows no borders...
BKB in surrey is like this all the time, if you were forced to wait for every person you were faster than, you'd never get down it!
Rubbish! It's hardly that busy!
Both tossers. Love the cartoon!
Camera guy had it coming, bumblebee man stopped to let him past yet he deliberately stayed behind to provoke him. Could also have passed at several stages such as 1:32, or just stopped and waited for a minute. He was looking to antagonise someone slower than him and got more than he bargained for.
I know several people who've had ride along arguments on narrow sections of races when someone expects them to get out of the way. If the rider behind is that much better then he should find a way of getting past, or just stop and wait for a bit. Generally.
They should have passionately kissed imo.
Assault full video?
I want 5 mins 43 seconds of my life back.All I saw was a camera getting turned round and then a black screen.
Where's the antipodean fisticuffs all the comments promised?
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having ridden nz trails and that is a narrow one, probably in origin a maori path falling off a hill in the shaky area of christchurch; if you are in front, you own the trail.
the guy with the camera was trying to barge past, he was lucky not to be thrown off the side!