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watching it... Pendleton did a flyer' 2nd lap was fast!

GB/ China final for sure.

shit looks like women are DQ.. shit shit shit

This is awful

Im gutted for them 🙁

Yep looks like VP pulled out and passed too early, commisaire is known for being strict.
Official DQ announced.

I suppose they may be right but is this really in the spirit of the Olympics?

jet26 - Member - Quote
I suppose they may be right but is this really in the spirit of the Olympics?

So she rode further than she needed to in front and It's considered to give them an unfair advantage?

3.2.153 A team shall be relegated to the last place in the stage of the competition if one of the following infringements has been committed:

1) if a rider draws away by more than 15 metres before the end of the lap that he is to lead
2) if a rider does not draw away by more than 15 metres after the end of the lap that he was supposed to lead
3) if one rider pushes another.

Not exactly clearly written.... But I suppose the riders know what they mean or do they?

I suggest we have a group wee in the Commissaire's shoes

Might have to check the sales section, and see if there are any Bombers going...

Disappointing, but upholding fair and just competition is important too.

Especially for Team GB in GB.

gutted for JV as its her only event, at least VP has another go. In recent VP thread someone suggested JV looked like a bloke, cant say I subscribe to that, and much of her appeal was how how bubbly and positive she is compared to the slightly fragile VP. Rio is a long time away.

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and in happier times with VP (world cup earlier this year)

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Just heard vp being interviewed. She placed the blame 100% on jv, but felt bad for her! 🙄
Bit unfair TBH

something seems a bit wrong with the team sprint with another dq.

China relegated

Bloody shambles.
Hard to give a toss about who wins with such petty rules.

stupid rule + jobsworth commissionaire = fail

Really? The interview I saw she said it was no ones fault and they were both to blame. I was impressed that there were no tears.

If they want to enforce this rule without the right to appeal then they MUST use high speed camera technology

tell you what, Cav looks like he needs a good kip (or a an energy gel)

Who is the bloke with glasses next to Cav?

Having to DQ the two fastest teams does taint this competition slightly.

1st Olympic champions to be crowned when only third fastest!

Jamie Staff, man one from Beijing.

Matt

Bit of a mockery really.
A bit like the olympic boxing - the best are not getting the medals.

Plastic gold medals ..

ianpinder - Member - Quote
1st Olympic champions to be crowned when only third fastest!

Bit of a ****ing farce 🙁

Made me laugh when Cav said he was jealous of Jamie's thighs 😀

Man, some very unsporting people on here.

Yes

Smashed it. Different context when Cav says it and not Richard Keys...

ok i care now! That was fantastic.

VP didn't blame JV she said no one was to blame.

Well done sir Chris hoy. The medals have been rolling in since yesterday.

Meh so sad for the women. Not sure if there's blame but the frickin commentators going on about how sad for VP and no mention of JV?! At least VP already has medals and 2 more shots, poor JV more like 🙁
Feel sorry for the Chinese women to, unless the commisaires have better video/stills than was shown on TV there's no way they should have made that call as it was too close to see.

Feel sorry for the Chinese women to, unless the commisaires have better video/stills than was shown on TV there's no way they should have made that call as it was too close to see.

They have much better video, transponders and several Commissaires all with different views.

The relegation was correct - JV/VP made an illegal change. Not petty - they and everyone else know the rules.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as gutted for them as anyone especially as Vicky seemed really positive in the 3 seconds I saw her before the racing started but rules are rules.

Yeah VP/JV was definitely illegal but the Chinese one was much closer and it looked like the Chinese coach was arguing you couldn't clearly tell (after reviewing on the commisaire's screen). I would be surprised though if they don't have the equivalent of photo-finish tech running for it as they knew it would be controversial after the World's

It seems a pity that it requires a DQ rather than a rerun or a 1 second time penalty or something else a bit less harsh. Years of training thrown away in one pretty small mistake.

Woah I can't believe the GB mens man 1 guy just admitted to deliberately crashing in the qualifiers as he didn't start as well as he wanted (I like the German accent to :p ). Let's hope they don't get DQ'd...

Hindes admits to throwing his start live on TV 😯

WTF

that seems.. an odd thing to admit to!

anyone know the official rules for when you can restart?

pleaderwilliams - Member
It seems a pity that it requires a DQ rather than a rerun or a 1 second time penalty or something else a bit less harsh.

I thought there was a whole load of new telemetry involved on the track, so you'd have thought it wouldn't take so long to make a decision.

Gutted for the women, but rules is rules.

Great stuff by Hindes, Kenny and Hoy though. Well done!

Who are the people carrying the medals on the cushions for the presentation ceremonies? They all look a bit 'simple'

They all look a bit 'simple'

They're local East end natives, who've been disinfected and shoved in a suit so they can feel included in the whole thing.

Not a DQ - a Relegation. If it was a DQ, the Chinese girls wouldn't have got the silver.

Well ok, not a DQ, but an automatic loss that in the early rounds is essentially a DQ. It just seems a bit over the top, especially since both China & GB would still have won their respective races without the tiny advantage possibly gained. You get a restart for a fall after all. Its just as bad as the no tolerance on false starts in athletics. These events aren't gymnastics, they're not about perfect precision every time, they're about who is fastest. I'm not saying it should be ignored or allowed, but the sanction could be less harsh.

is "restart after a fall" a definite then? what if you take a dive?

anyone know the official rules for when you can restart?

Recognized accidents:

• Fall
• Puncture
• Equipment failure: breakage of a vital part of the bike. These are RECOGNIZED accidents.

Unrecognized accidents:

• Tightening defect: foot out of pedal, misaligned wheel or handlebars, loose saddle etc. These are UNRECOGNIZED.

Note: competitors are permitted one accident in each round of an event and may start a second time. After this they are relegated according to the level of the event.

Surely has to be a clear contravention of the spirit of the Olympics though, you could see Chris Hoy wanting to tell him to shut up...

thanks for the rules! i wonder if a "dive" is a bit of a grey area? or legal but frowned upon etc?

watched that interview a couple of times - there's a few glances between hoy and kenny..

jamie Staff was pretty clear that it was VP's fault for passing JV, regardless of when JV moved over. Rough either way, they knew after the Worlds that rules would be strictly enforced, but as Staff suggested, if youre riding quicker than you ever have before then you may well miss a marker or misjudge a move. Really gutted for JV.

I missed the interview where Hinde admitted a tactical crash, but watching it live it looked like it was his error getting the bike twisted up off the start and in slow mo it clearly looked like a deliberate fall. A question of pushing the rules (like changing over on the limit of the zone) but stupid to admit it.

Who are the people carrying the medals on the cushions for the presentation ceremonies? They all look a bit 'simple'

🙄

Thing is the badminton set a precedent that the sport rules can get over-ridden by the spirit of the Olympics thing. The badminton players weren't DQ'd at the time under the rules of their sport.
Maybe it was some intricate plan by the Germans, pretend to agree to release Hindes early to GB but in fact he's a saboteur and gets us DQ'd (although the German's not making the finals probably wasn't in their grand design) :p

I thnk Hindes needs to tell people he was only joking.

yeah you can watch it again now> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00w2zws
(06 at the bottom) - looks like a crappy start rather than mechanical, though from the above rules that probably wouldn't matter anyway (tightening defect)

so maybe a saveable fall, (maybe not!) but certainly not just a dive cos his start wasn't as perfect as it could have been (which was what it sounded like in the interview!) doesn't sound so much like a rules issue now, to me.

Thing is the badminton set a precedent that the sport rules can get over-ridden by the spirit of the Olympics thing. The badminton players weren't DQ'd at the time under the rules of their sport.

I believe that actually at least two of the four pairs were DQ'ed at the time, but were then allowed to continue. It was also under the rules of their sport:

All four pairs were charged under BWF’s Players’ Code of Conduct – Sections 4.5 and 4.16 respectively – with “not using one’s best efforts to win a match” and “conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport”.

All the UCI rules seem to say is that each team gets one restart for an 'accident', including a fall. Do however agree that saying you threw yourself down when you could have recovered, sounds like slightly dodgy ground.

Another take on the story here:
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8510141

"I just crashed, I did it on purpose to get a restart, just to have the fastest ride.

"I did it. So it was all planned, really."...

...French track team chief Isabelle Gautheron told AFP: "It's pretty obvious from the video pictures that he crashed to get the restart.

"There is nothing in the rules to sanction such an action. But now that he's come out and said it, I hope the authorities consider making a change to the rules.

"We're still bitter to have lost the final."

So, like the badminton players, just pushing the envelope of the rules to best advantage. Unfortunately for the badminton players, the officials managed to invoke a rule to DQ them, but it looks like Hindes was more clued up about what he could get away with.

Quite funny watching Hoy and Kenny in the post-race interview, not quite able to believe what he's merrily telling Jill Douglas

"I just did it, just to get a restart..."

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Don't mention the war!

Might be against the spirit of the rules but so is starting a track sprinter in the road race and pulling out after a couple of km so you can then have an extra rider to call upon if needed in the velodrome. Plus there is the whole doping situation with giving out a retrospective 2 year ban which allows your key rider to compete at the olympics!

Can anyone explain, why when the girls were relegated in the semi's they didn't get to contend the bronze run-off race?

they were relegated in the heats, not the semis

Yes, you get relegated to last in the round where the incident occurs, so the Chinese were relegated to last of two in the final, but GB were relegated to last of heat, so missed qualification.

I couldn't believe the falling off story made the news this morning. It was obvious that he was joking.
Next up they'll be people arrested for saying they're going to blow up an airport on twitter.

Pfft he wasn't joking at all but thankfully the UCI have confirmed they won't be reviewing it further...

heard an interview on the radio this morning which implied he basically got wheelspin, lost traction, then lost the front wheel as he compensated

So too GNARR for the track ;-).
But that's what it looked like too.

To quote him:

"We were saying if we have a bad start we need to crash to get a restart," Hindes explained to Jill Douglas. "I just crashed, I did it on purpose to get a restart, just to have the fastest ride. I did it. So it was all planned, really."

The only reason the language sounds slightly piss-takish is he's German rather than it being someone like Wiggo deliberately winding up the interviewer for a laugh

More track now BBC1.

Kenny v Bauge.
😀

Magic wheels innit...

French fans and officials have been left baffled by just how well our athletes are doing. And nowhere more so than in the Velodrome, with France's track cycling team director Isabelle Gautheron suggesting that British stars such as Victoria Pendleton and Sir Chris Hoy are using 'Magic Wheels'.

Round two.
*is excited*

*explodes*

\o/

Awesome performance

That stick in the Frenchies throat.

what a class act

I'm starting to warm to Cav (the presenter).

that was almost toooo easy
Bauge is still cooler though

don simon - Member

I'm starting to warm to Cav (the presenter).

Mrs j and I were just saying the same.

Trott is most entertaining, one moment she's on the back, next she's popped out through a 12" gap in the middle again. 😆

Twitchy bum time

Kenny was awesome. Vindicated selection there

Bauge = Suspected doper.

Therefore, Kenny = Betterer than Bauge! 😉

Trott = Awesomeness in this Devil!