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My local mp and he is a complete ****.
Might stand against him next election.
Dig up an old interview and argue about whether Grayling should have said "[b]other[/b] road users" instread of just "road users"
See thread 'Just another cyclist hating motorist'.
A mate of mine is charged with information and fact finding for MPs' Parliamentary questions. He's somewhat depressed at the moment and muppets like this aren't going to help, he's likely to have to deal with the aftermath and put this thickshit back on track.
Have you even read it?! He's very clearly saying that cyclists are "users of cycle lanes" and only "motorists are the road users". It's not a badly phrased but reasonable point, it's not an out of context quote. It's the transport secretary saying that cyclists are not road users.Dig up an old interview and argue about whether Grayling should have said "other road users" instead of just "road users"
“What I would say to him, of course, is where you have cycle lanes, cyclists are the users of cycle lanes,” Grayling responded. “And there’s a road alongside – motorists are the road users, the users of the roads. It’s fairly straightforward, to be honest.”
Dig up an old interview and argue about whether Grayling should have said "other road users" instread of just "road users"
You could have admitted that not all your beloved Tories are perfect at all times. You could have said nothing. But you chose to make something up.
#jambafact
Dig up an old interview and argue about whether Grayling should have said "other road users" instead of just "road users"
Yet when given the opportunity to clarify, he did. He clarified that he does not see cyclists as road users.
And when his department were given the opportunity to clarify, they said that they agreed with the minister and that was that.
God you're tedious.
He clarified that he does not see cyclists as road users.
Which is pretty impressive given his departments legislation says otherwise!
His department must be so embarrassed to be represented by such a moron.
Seems to have completely forgotten the driving force behind a surfaced highway network.
Chris Boardman, as ever, has responded quite well, if the Facebook reports are correct.
Have you ever had a boss that knew less, could do less, and was shitter than you? Because this is what this feels like.
He has the power to make our journeys to work safer or more dangerous. He sets the tone of road culture in this country. And he thinks cyclists are not road users.
This isn't just some xxxx sounding off underneath an article in the local rag about how cyclists should "pay road tax"; this is the Secretary of State for xxxx Transport. [Mod edit]
This isn't just some xxxx sounding off underneath an article in the local rag about how cyclists should "pay road tax"; this is the Secretary of State for xxxx Transport.
Don't right him off just yet, he may soon suggest that Cyclists should be paying Road Tax!
Even other Tories, apart from the truly myopic *cough*, don't like Chris Grayling.
Don't right him off just yet
I expected better from you, footflaps 🙁
He is the man that until recently oversaw our hugely effective and well managed prisons.
The man is dangerously incompetent, he could well be the next PM 😉
[quote=Jamie ]Even other Tories, apart from the truly myopic *cough*, don't like Chris Grayling.
To be fair, that's not something particularly exclusive to him. Is there any Tory other Tories like?
Tories don't even like themselves.
That's why the party is full of authoritarian perverts who had smothering mothers and strict fathers, and want to externalise their inner self-loathing by making other people even more miserable than them.
But there is no end to their misery. It is fathomless, like hell.
I think he has made it quite clear that he "doesn't see cyclists as road users" by his recent dooring activities.
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And they wonder why people have no faith in politicians when they allow people like that loathsome spunktrumpet to lord it over us all.
Dig up an old interview
5 weeks old, buttercup.
I expected better from you, footflaps
Yep, very poor. I keep doing it though, thinking one thing and writing another....
5 weeks old, buttercup.
Stop living in the past, Rich. That was like months ago.
Stop living in the past, Rich. That was like months ago
A whole year ago!
go zippykona!
And they wonder why people have no faith in politicians when they allow people like that loathsome spunktrumpet to lord it over us all.
That's a bit unfair, he was being held to account by other politicians - it was his electorate who decided that he was up for the job. Besides, the politician who leads the Opposition in Parliament has an excellent attitude towards cyclists and cycling.
In any rational world, he'd be the most disliked and incompetent person in the cabinet.
aracer - MemberTo be fair, that's not something particularly exclusive to him. Is there any Tory other Tories like?
[i]Everyone[/i] likes Ruth Davidson
He is the man that until recently oversaw our hugely effective and well managed prisons.
Oh yes. How is it that someone can Fubar a whole government department & not be held to task?
That cock is the whole reason that HMP's are screwed (pardon the pun). He let around 6000 staff go on voluntary redundancies but for some reason didn't re-recruit, & now theyr'e re-recruiting an 'extra' 2500 staff (as the media put it)
He personifies the word 'inept'.
He let around 6000 staff go on voluntary redundancies but for some reason didn't re-recruit
To be fair to give the go-ahead to 6000 voluntary redundancies and to then re-recruit would have made less sense.
Unless of course there was a cunning plan which I don't know about, eg to replace them with new staff on lower wages and less favourable employment conditions. Not that I imagine a Tory minister would even consider such a thing you understand.
eg to replace them with new staff on lower wages and less favourable employment conditions. Not that I imagine a Tory minister would even consider such a thing you understand.
Oh, you mean 'Fair & Sustainable'? That's the one!
Top whack for a screw on F&S is 26K & they can't recruit fast enough. We/they recruit 30 & 60 leave. Must be costing a bloody fortune just recruiting & training people who then think...'stuff this for the money'
Top whack for a screw on F&S is 26K & they can't recruit fast enough. We/they recruit 30 & 60 leave. Must be costing a bloody fortune just recruiting & training people who then think...'stuff this for the money'
Sounds like teaching. You can get around 30k to train as a physics teacher and then take a pay cut when you get a job!!
You could benefit from a tax-free training bursary or scholarship of up to £30,000 while you train.
Once you’ve qualified, you’ll benefit from a competitive starting salary of at least £22,467
🙄
The main point being made by people about this statement is that the cycle infrastructure in this country is very poor. In a lot of places the cycle lanes have no priority at junctions, are poorly maintained and are not well connected with a lot of infrastructure. Given the choice, cyclists would often rather use the road, which gives them a right of way at junctions, clear road use rules (generally we all know how to use them) and we can make steady progress.
If you are not considered to be a road user then you have given some people the excuse that we should not have been there in the first place. That is a very vulnerable place to be and not something that the senior politician in charge of policy and transport infrastructure really should understand before making such inflammatory statements. Chris Boardman's offer to take home for a bike ride would be an education, but highly unlikely that it will be taken up.
Not just tories ... [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-rob-flello-comment-blame-cycle-lanes-for-city-traffic-transport-select-committee-a7519561.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-rob-flello-comment-blame-cycle-lanes-for-city-traffic-transport-select-committee-a7519561.html[/url]
[url= http://road.cc/content/news/215325-senior-mp-asks-whether-loss-tarmac-cycle-lanes-causing-londons-congestion ]http://road.cc/content/news/215325-senior-mp-asks-whether-loss-tarmac-cycle-lanes-causing-londons-congestion[/url]
Everyone likes Ruth Davidson
Is true *rubs thighs and wonders if she could be [i]turned[/i]*
The depressing part for me now is I wish we had done more meaning my generation to improve the life our kids are likely to have.
We've been good at business and earning money and thats not unimportant but I have this nagging concern we are leaving the place in terms of social cohesion and quality of life in a pretty poor state.
Everyone likes Ruth Davidson
Default answer that. I often wonder how the hell she ended up in the Tory party.
Grayling is a gormless arse.
Is true *rubs thighs and wonders if she could be turned*
Straight or Red ?
Either way, I'm sure the lady's not for turning
I'd still vote for her tho!
ought to give her the top job.. top class politician and thouroughly nice person to booto appear ..
i know a cabinet minister that ticks an awful lot of down to earth blokey bloke boxes yet to look at him you d mistake him for any other polished politcian..
So is Grayling giving notice on rescinding Rule 144 of The Highway Code:
Rule 144You MUST NOT
drive dangerously
drive without due care and attention
drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
Not sure why that's rule 144, surely it should be rule #1 - "Don't be a dick!"
Or hinting that he's about to announce a massive government spending plan to put full cycle lanes alongside [b]every[/b] road in the country?
The cyclist Grayling doored was on the road...
This isn't the first time that Chris Grayling hasn't got fully to grips with his brief.
A couple of years back when he was Justice Secretary he wrote a piece for the Daily Mail in which he claimed that judges in the European Court of Human Rights were “not by any means all legally qualified”.
This is in fact completely false and the Daily Mail was later forced to publish a humiliating correction.
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/12/chris-grayling-errors-daily-mail_n_6144182.html ]Chris Grayling Forced To Correct His Daily Mail Human Rights Article[/url]
So as Justice Secretary Chris Grayling didn't fully understand a very important legal structure, and couldn't be even bothered to check the validity of his claims before sending an article for publication, and as Transport Secretary he doesn't fully understand what constitute a road user.
Top talent in Theresa May's cabinet, eh?
Two remarkable things about Grayling
1. He is much taller in real life than he appears on TV
2. He has a weird semi-permanent look/expression that suggest that he has soiled himself and is wondering if anyone else has noticed. It's most peculiar.
You must lead an interesting social life THM.
Correct
'Village idiot makes idiotic statement - more to follow'. How DO these village idiots make it to where they are exactly?
I can tell. Any coming dinner engagements that you want to tell us about?
How DO these village idiots make it to where they are exactly?
Other idiots in the village vote for them ?
I can tell.
You appear to be a better clairvoyant than debater then
Any coming dinner engagements that you want to tell us about?
Plenty, but given ^ above you know the details already.
hebdencyclist - Member
Dig up an old interview and argue about whether Grayling should have said "other road users" instead of just "road users"
Yet when given the opportunity to clarify, he did. He clarified that he does not see cyclists as road users [b]in a situation where there is a cycle lane alongside a road[/b].
FTFY
Well you've managed to lose me THM. How does me saying "I can tell" when you confirm that you have an interesting social life make me a clairvoyant? Do you actually understand what clairvoyant means?
You don't need supernatural powers beyond normal sensory perception to figure out that you must lead a fascinating social life, you drop enough hints - as you well know.
Well you've managed to lose me THM
Thats not hard.
Anyway back to Grayling being a dick...
Give the bloke some slack he is busy sorting out the rail strike.....oh he's not.
****.
Thats not hard.
You are so unbelievably predictable THM! I knew as I wrote it that you would come back with something like that. And no, it doesn't require the powers of a clairvoyant to figure out your likely response - you are pretty consistent and predictable 🙂
Odd that you lost me then? You must be having a bad day/worse than normal. I hope that it/you get better soon.
Anyway back to Grayling being a dick.....
Get a room you two!
I will wait until Ernie feels a bit better first. He's a little off form at the moment - perhaps its Jezza's poor showing that is making him feel so low? He has my sympathies.
Grayling?
I will wait until Ernie feels a bit better first.
I'm feeling fine THM.
In fact I'm feeling like this :
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Dead?
That explains the clairvoyant properties - you are supernatural!
its official, we are not road users so we don't have to pay road tax, stick that up where the sunshine doesn't daily mail readers 😛
Ahh... Chris Grayling, a man who makes Jeremy Hunt look on top of his brief
Are bus drivers road users? Or is there an important difference between their relevant lanes?
Chris Grayling, a man who makes Jeremy Hunt look on top of his brief
**** me, that's worrying!
Are bus drivers road users? Or is there an important difference between their relevant lanes?
Do they 'get in the way' of cars? Then no, they are not road users - they are a very naughty boy*
* Page 1 of [b]The Highway Choad[/b] (21st Century Revised Edition from Post-Fact Publications)
I was out for a road ride today, got beeped and sworn at by two different drivers - both irate that I was riding in secondary position.
Probably just a co-incidence, but hey.
When you were sworn at , was it this guy?
[i]“Guidance that compels us to treat each other as human beings not obstacles - who wouldn’t want that?”[/i]