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...you were riding with your mate on a Ti Cove hardtail and were incapable of riding the small steep drop at the end of the Dog. There were a handful of riders around who were clearly struggling with the obstacle and you showed no consideration for them, blamed them for your skill deficiency and then muttered "f***ing wa**ers" as you rode off.It was a nice, sunny day at Cannock and therefore busy. If you don't like coming across slower riders and can't handle the (limited) difficulties on that trail on your over-specced skill-compensator (BTW I also ride a Turner) then ride somewhere else.
You are a prize buffoon. End of rant
Fair play Stu. Good ride otherwise? Mel was testing a clown bike i see??
Don't know Cannock. Anyone got a photo/video of said obstacle?
Just curious like.
slainte ❓ rob
There are ****ers in every walk of life and hobby. Dont take it personal like.
Why not be less of a pussy, and tell the guy at the time?
Did you say anything to him at the time?
Why not be less of a pussy, and tell the guy at the time? +1 😐
As above 🙄 were them handful of riders riding/pushing 29ers?
full moon today?
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/rocketdog/6260907179/ ]werewolf drops[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/rocketdog/ ]rOcKeTdOgUk[/url], on Flickr
He can't be that much or a twunt - you clearly couldn't catch him to give him a piece of your mind!
hmmmm, this is one thing i have noticed a lot nowadays,,,i hate riders who slag off other riders.
i started riding way back in 89/90 when the only hassle you got was from the rambler lot, good riders would help not so good riders to improve,etc not have a go at them for there poor riding,
the guy who was moaning should remember the saying" unless you are the best rider in the world theres some better and faster than you"
dont let it bother you mate.. as said on this forum life is full of them...
Just back from Cannock Chase - I had a smashing day. It was sunny and the trails were dry and fast flowing.
Some of the new sections are really impressive - especially the 'black run' stuff on The Monkey Trail. May not be new to you guys but I don't get to Cannock much.
There seemed to be more than the usual number of idiots (on over-spec'ced skill compensators) and slow riders but you have to accept this when you go to such a popular place. Cafe area was full of posers and 'weekend warriors' too 😆
I'm off to get us some white pointy hats, burning crosses and some good strong rope.
It wasn't a small steep drop it was a breaking bump.
Bitching conflict at over crowded weekend warrior trail centre shocker
Really don't understand these kind of posts.
red Turner? probably PQ..
I have a pitchfork
It's called 'Righteous indignation by proxy' and afflicts people with little else to fill their life.
Rocketdog, just scanned your pics and failed to see a drop.... other than the word on the sign... ❓
What makes people idiots for having 'over spec'ed' bikes exactly? I hate that mentality and it seems to be getting more and more common In every hobby/sport, Christ let them ride what they want! It's normally by green eyed monsters too, bloody annoying though.
I ride motorbikes with a lad that rides a clapped out sv650, he runs rings around everyone. This weekend he came to Cannock (Saturday for anyone that was there and may have seen him) he came on a clapped out burgundy hybrid with no suspensio, road tyres and a headset that had more movement than my bowels after a bad curry... He still rang rings around everyone.
Live and let live.
I was riding the white Chameleon just before "the twunt" came through on the the turner. TBH you were standing on the trail on a section that needs a clear run, you and the crowd with you were an obstruction, and quite honestly you could've caused an accident. You got off lightly.
If you have to stop, get off the trail.
Ta.
nickc - Member
I was riding the white Chameleon just before "the twunt" came through on the the turner. TBH you were standing on the trail on a section that needs a clear run, you and the crowd with you were an obstruction, and quite honestly you could've caused an accident.
Ah - that's what I was imagining, but thanks for confirming it.
In fact I've just remembered: I had to ride through the undergrowth the other side of the drop, because you and your friends were blocking the trail the far side of it.
lol
It is a pain there as people who stall (bottle?) there stand in the way of the line meaning you have to go in an angle and risk catching your bars on the tree on the right- 2 lads made my lad fall off there the other week which pi%%ed me off a bit tbh
You do seem to get crowds forming around werewolf drop on busy days. Tbh it's fairly daunting if you're not that experienced a rider - certainly I struggled with it for quite a few goes. i have to agree with nick though, it makes it loads harder if there's a group of people standing on the entry, and nearly always on just the line I'm after!
the trick is to track stand, ask them politely to move and hop down the wolfcub, thank 'em and carry on
Is this the feature causing the problem?
When I last went to Cannock Werewolf drop surprised me. In an 'oh my god, what was all the fuss about?' kind of way.
Too many people, one small trail centre does not make for a harmonious experience, especially with such a range of abilities. Live and let live, get over it, people stop, tough, you ere a beginner befre you became a riding god with a Turner and quite obviously and ego. You know the trail, you can see the issue, stop, offer friendly advice and get on with your ride.
Wanna ride it quick, turn up on a Monday evening or during the week!
MINCE CITY
They should probably tarmac that, its a hazard
Thats it? Looks pretty straight forward to me, but if a newbie then could be a bit scary I guess. Although everyone standing in front of it blocking is a bit daft.
The two black drops on the monkey are a little more tricky than that.
last time i rode down there i had to ride over some goons wheel as him and his ninja mates decided to leave their bikes all over the trail while they googled how to ride a little drop on their iPhones.
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Actually I was standing behind a tree so not exactly in the line of descent. And I was there with the missus, who hadn't got to the descent. No idea who the others were. And the guy on the Turner definitely wasn't PQ - far too tall 😉
On top of that I did make a comment to the guy but he was too busy riding off muttering to himself. Did pass on feedback to his mate.
Calling people ****ers cos they can't ride something si hardly the right attitude. If he was such a great rider he'd have ridden the drop without a second thought...
As I said it is very straightforward if you can go in straight it only becomes a little twitchy at an angle because of the 2 trees- hence why I can understand a bit of frustration if there is a crowd in the way of the line in- perhaps they should put yellow hatches in that zone!
Id say that actually to an inexperianced rider, the drop does look a little worrying from the top.
It's fine to roll though, even on my one terrible trip to Cannock (double dislocation and break, all in the same shoulder) I was able to get down it OK even if a little bit of pain (ok I was screaming)
hmmmm, this is one thing i have noticed a lot nowadays,,,i hate riders who slag off other riders.
+1, I put this in the bracket of 'we were all novices once'. I'll let the quicker boys pass me on the decents when it's comfortable for me, then kick their asses into oblivion on the climbs. 😛
surely thats just a ramp for wheelchair access? 😕
on your over-specced skill-compensator [b](BTW I also ride a Turner)[/b]
LOL
There seemed to be more than the usual number of idiots (on over-spec'ced skill compensators) and slow riders but you have to accept this when you go to such a popular place. Cafe area was full of posers and 'weekend warriors' too
This comment says more about you than the riders at cannock tbh.
Aren't they just people who are relatively new to mountain biking?
A twunt is a twunt, that drop is a tree root and it's frustrating when someone's rudeness gets to you. I think he made a spectacle of himself anyway if you think about it, especially if he couldn't get down that on his blingcycle.
It's only riding bicycles though 😀 don't let it get to you. I was at work today, you were lucky to be out!
Slagging off 'over-spec'ced skill compensators', 'posers', 'weekend warriors', getting into arguments - isn't this supposed to be fun?
If you go to a busy trail centre at a weekend then surely you should expect a lot of traffic on the trails. It is inevitable that on the trickier sections there will be more traffic and hence bottlenecks. Even if there is a crowd blocking your way is it not too difficult to stop, ask for a free route through, then continue. If you want empty trails either go in the week or don't go riding at busy trail centres.
PQ still has that Turner??
This thread needs lightening up I reckon. Check out the little owls on [url= http://xisleuk.pinkbike.com/album/Cannock-Chase-14th-May-2010/ ]this page[/url] 😀 awwwwww! (oh, and there is a pic of the drop too).
Thanks "st" - we had a great ride, and yes Mel was testing a clown bike! She quite liked it too......
I don't know if PQ still has that Turner - can't imagine him riding it at the Chase though 🙂
oh damn, werewolf 'drop' has been castrated since i last rode it! over a year ago now that was. good times.
This thread needs lightening up I reckon. Check out the little owls on this page awwwwww!
She's right you know. Chill, and check pon:
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(Is even [i]more[/i] in love with Mamadirt. 😳 )
As I said, not ridden Cannock but every time the Werewolf Drop comes up on a thread here I watch the vids and can never see what the fuss is. Looks like an easily rollable 3'-4' drop between trees with a turn at the bottom?
Aware that vids always smooth things out but that never looks as tech as the ditch drop at my local trail which looks equally tame on camera (5m40s ish on this vid - [url=
Trail[/url] - which doesn't have the trees but is a steep 6' drop into a wheel sized ditch bottom with an equally steep 4' climb out).
Anyways, if you need to stop to assess a bit of the trail, do it from the side. If you get held up and need to dodge past folk on the trail who have stopped to assess something, do it with good grace as you were that inexperienced once too.
Be nice out there.
slainte 😀 rob
It's not really a drop or hard, it's just awkward because there are fairly tight trees and it has a right hander straight after it.
This is why I barely ride my mtb anymore. The sport has gone to shit. Too many stuck up ponces on flash bikes like the guy you mention in your post. And also far to many mincers at trail centres who cant ride for toffee.
If you're going to mince about, do it where its aceptable - Out on a cold moor or fell side somewhere, thats what I do. Dont come to a trail centre all geared up, then fanny about on piss easy obstacles.
I was at innerleithen the other week and there was a group of about 15 lads with decent looknig trail bikes fannying around on the caddon bank drop section. WTF are you doing you idiots! Just ride off the ****ing things, you're supposed to be mountain bikers, those are 3 foot high drops! Ride em or **** off and get a road bike, the image of the sport doesnt need this!!!!
seanodav - Member
surely thats just a ramp for wheelchair access?
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I was at innerleithen the other week and there was a group of about 15 lads with decent looknig trail bikes fannying around on the caddon bank drop section. WTF are you doing you idiots! Just ride off the * things, you're supposed to be mountain bikers, those are 3 foot high drops! Ride em or * off and get a road bike, [b]the image of the sport doesnt need this!!!![/b]
I concur.
Rode the Monkey today for the first time in months, and got to be said there was a fair amount of angry wannabe quick boys (who really weren't all that quick) today, out to prove a point to nobody who gives a shit!
We had to stop on the trail, just before the entrance to the new black section (which I was impressed with, very technical for a UK trail centre, more of this please!) as some people had stopped on the trail just in front of us. No problem, it's not a race. So we just waited til they cleared off, only just as we were about to mount up, so cock on an Ellsworth came flying up behind us, moaned about us being in the way, then swore at us as he went past (not all that quickly I might add) for holding him up!
Note to people like man on Ellsworth and Turner guy above... It's a trail centre, other people are there to ride at their own pace too, it's not a race! If someone slower than you is in front, either wait til a convenient place to pass them safely, or stop and chill out for 2 minutes to give yourself some space to ride the next bit at your chosen speed. Next person that swears at me for being in the way (not my fault again as stated, but beside the point) and holding him up will get a thump... That's not a threat, that's a promise!
But on the whole, enjoyable day had by all, and as per usual most people were friendly and just out enjoying riding their bikes at their own pace.
And note to postierich, 29ers make sense at Cannock now due to the size of the braking bumps... In fact, scratch that, a 36er would make more sense at Cannock now due to the braking bumps!
I was out riding at the weekend (at least until I injured myself). I was at a busy trail centre with loads of people around. I saw people getting in my way, I saw me getting in others way. What's more, I saw people enjoying themselves and enjoying the land on bikes. I saw people with more and less skill than me, on better and worse bikes than me. But they were all pretty much enjoying themselves, me too.
Maybe I'm having a happy day, but I don't see all the anger and anguish here - a bike's a bike, a trail's a trail, on a weekend things get busy and people do odd things - get over it.
Are the new black bits on the monkey easy to spot? Hopefully going for a ride there on Tuesday 🙂
One thing that strikes me about this post and a few others lately is there seems to be some kind of odd inverted snobbery whereby anyone on a nice shiny new bike is automatically an over-biked weekend warrior etc.
Why?
What makes this person more of an idiot than if he was on a shit-heap? And so what if his skills don't match his bike's potential? Really, so what? Why does it bother so many people?
I'm now a slightly overweight 40 year old who rides a Nicolai helius FR to work. At the end of my working week you might see me in the woods of Nottingham moving very slowly indeed on a piss easy section of trail. Does this make me an overbiked idiot? Or could it be that I've just finished a 12 hour night shift and I'm struggling to stay upright on currently my only bike, on my way home?
These threads are just a waste of time and I feel unclean for contributing. Folk, live and let live - it really doesn't matter.
TO be fair, I encounter tougher obstacles getting my bike out of the garage...
That's a roll in, not really a drop - wheels never need to leave the ground!
DrP
the next person that swears at me for being in the way (not my ,fault again as stated, but beside the point) and holding him up will get a thump... That's not a threat !that's a promise
And how is violence gonna improve things, blimey there are some angry misguided people out there. How is two riders punching each other over a bit of trail going to [b]improve the image of our sport[/b] I think some of us need to chill out a bit it's supposed to be fun!
Nah, some people deserve a smack, if more of that went on instead of whinging on the Internet, the world would be a better place.
This thread makes me so happy to live outside the UK.
Conversely, it makes me proud to be British!
Not sure when leisure riding became a competition. There was a time that if you met someone on a bike you'd be pleased that they were having as much fun as you were. If they were on a fancy bike that you'd only ever seen in magazines you'd cast it admiring glances and maybe have a chat about it. If they were on a singlespeed or a frame made from plumbing pipes you'd be impressed by their steely resolve at tackling the trail. Helmet, no helmet, gears, singlespeed, lycra, baggies or trackie bottoms, team jersey or t-shirt, none of it matters, we're all out riding bikes and that is supposed to be fun.
Only been there once.
I think the problem was my fashionable 960mm bars, someone needs to chop down all the trees while they are tarmacing over the braking bumps! 😆
It became a competition when it became fashionable and a lifestyle choice for many, unfortunately.
who cares, it's riding bikes not war.
I'm amused by that 'drop' ) I was expecting a couple of foot drop down onto a transition.
muppetWrangler - Member
Not sure when leisure riding became a competition. There was a time that if you met someone on a bike you'd be pleased that they were having as much fun as you were. If they were on a fancy bike that you'd only ever seen in magazines you'd cast it admiring glances and maybe have a chat about it. If they were on a singlespeed or a frame made from plumbing pipes you'd be impressed by their steely resolve at tackling the trail. Helmet, no helmet, gears, singlespeed, lycra, baggies or trackie bottoms, team jersey or t-shirt, none of it matters, we're all out riding bikes and that is supposed to be fun.
this
dont worry, we are building a chicken run around the 'drop' and beefing up the orignal. This should stop the bottle necking that occurs at this point in the trail.
feel free to pop down on a sunday-10am-to pick up a spade.
Are there any recorded incidents of actual fights breaking out due to perceived trail blocking?
If so then it's no wonder people always seem over padded when I see trailcentre photos 😉
*strikes cannock off list of places to ride*
This is why I barely ride my mtb anymore. The sport has gone to shit.
Just sell it. Leave mountain biking alone and delete your STW account.
MTBing doesn't need people with you kind of attitude, it's bad for the image of the sport.
who cares, it's riding bikes not war.
... Or double glazing... 😆
We had to stop on the trail, just before the entrance to the new black section (which I was impressed with, very technical for a UK trail centre, more of this please!) as some people had stopped on the trail just in front of us. No problem, it's not a race. So we just waited til they cleared off, only just as we were about to mount up, so cock on an Ellsworth came flying up behind us, moaned about us being in the way, then swore at us as he went past (not all that quickly I might add) for holding him up!
How am I supposed to know that you're just waiting for someone ahead to move on as opposed to having a fag break?
If you're sat either side of the trail, I'll ride right through you with a cheery hello, maybe I'll catch up a group on the trail, sit behind them and then pass if/when I can. Nobody has more or less right to be there than me, as I can't dictate to them, you can't dictate to me.
double glazing??
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/carbon-capture-project-cancelled/page/4#post-3087600 ]Double glazing.[/url]
I'm not proud. 😳
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davidtaylforth - MemberThis is why I barely ride my mtb anymore. The sport has gone to shit. Too many [b]stuck up ponces on flash bikes[/b] like the guy you mention in your post. And also far [b]to many mincers at trail centres who cant ride for toffee.[/b]
Oh the irony....
Good going though, in a few sentences you accuse people of being stuck up ponces then being a complete stuck up ponce yourself. Go girlfriend!
has no idea and walks off shaking head....................
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